Hundreds of Twitter Employees Leaving After Elon Musk's 'Extremely Hardcore' Work Demands

[usagora]

You’re making these weak comparisons with Steve Jobs on a Mac forum because you want to excuse Musk. It’s not going to work buddy.

No, "buddy", that's not what I'm trying to do (that is, excuse Musk--I honestly don't care about him). I'm simply pointing out that many raking Elon over the coals probably have double standards.

Look at this forum. Apple users go hard against Apple. They always have. Jobs took it on the chin but his customers were important to him.

Some do (and some of them are just haters who will always find something wrong); some don't (and some of them are fanboys who will never find something wrong).

Musk is a troll, a petty fascist and a serial liar who has no respect for engineers. All he cares about is power. His Muskrat incel and fascist followers lick his boots and don’t care about his lies or his behavior.

It's ridiculous, over-the-top comments like this that prove you have no interest in actually convincing people of the truths of these claims. It's just red meat for people who already think like you do.

Sorry I ruffled people's feathers by simply pointing out a double standard. Have a nice day. I have no interest in being dragged in to your Elon hate-fest.

 

[enterthemerdaverse]

Sorry I ruffled people's feathers by simply pointing out a double standard. Have a nice day. I have no interest in being dragged in to your Elon hate-fest.

Hating Musk is the rational position anyone should have. He’s vermin. I hate him for all the same reasons I hate Henry Ford’s embrace of fascism.

The Twitter walk out didn’t happen for no reason.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Not sure what that has to do with anything. I'm simply pointing out that Steve Jobs (who's probably worshipped by some of the same people who are criticizing Elon here) was also a grueling boss to work for--probably even more so.

Yeah, but singling out “they’re grueling to work for” makes as much sense as “they both had thumbs on their right hands”. Any number of people are similar in narrowly specific ways.

 

[macsplusmacs]

Heck of a job Enron:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1593828049321361410

Twitter is going to go bankrupt.

Not if.

When.

 

[A MacBook lover]

lmao. Twitter still working great with only 50 employees. What were the other 7950 even doing? 😂

 

[adamus]

it does matter. EVERY US auto manufacturer took them. EVERY ONE. Yet, Tesla has been the ONLY one to pay them back. How come you don't cry about Ford or GM not paying theirs back? That's what you SHOULD be upset about. They also took additional bailouts from other countries (Canada). You just want to hate Elon Musk SO BAD, that he can't do any right, no matter what he does.

it’s about mass formation (desmet). Ford/GM et al. are owned by the bankers.....too big to fail. After the mid terms there will be mass lay offs -before christmas.

 

[adamus]

lmao. Twitter still working great with only 50 employees. What were the other 7950 even doing? 😂

what was in there nose?

 

[adamus]

This is not accurate. GM paid back their entire bailout in advance with interest. Ford didn’t even take TARP funding.

Ford is a bank. #financialised

 

[I7guy]

Hating Musk is the rational position anyone should have. He’s vermin. I hate him for all the same reasons I hate Henry Ford’s embrace of fascism.

The Twitter walk out didn’t happen for no reason.

There’s a difference in insulting a person vs disagreeing with their politics.

And the walkout happened for a reason. Who knows if musk cares or what his plans are.

 

[A MacBook lover]

Hating Musk is the rational position anyone should have. He’s vermin. I hate him for all the same reasons I hate Henry Ford’s embrace of fascism.

The Twitter walk out didn’t happen for no reason.

Lmao!! Are people really this un-healthily hating musk? What a show!

Guess what, boot camp isn’t supposed to be nice. If you weed yourself out because your afraid of opinions, adversity, and hard work - there are plenty behind that will gladly work for Musk.

Twitter still works, deal with it and move on.

 

[usagora]

Yeah, but singling out “they’re grueling to work for” makes as much sense as “they both had thumbs on their right hands”. Any number of people are similar in narrowly specific ways.

I don't think most people would describe their boss as "grueling" to work for. That's a pretty strong word.

 

[SteveJawbs]

I hope Elon considers removing the phone number requirement when you create a account. Like I wanna see my favorite creators.

I created a new account and it didn’t ask for phone number. I was elated.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

I don't think most people would describe their boss as "grueling" to work for. That's a pretty strong word.

I don’t think there’s only two bosses that are “grueling” to work for. I also don’t think there’s only two bosses that have ever worn pants with pockets. There’s a fairly extensive list one could create indicating how they are similar. They’re still different in significant ways.

 

[Karma*Police]

One of the first people he fired was Yao Yue, who is an absolute legend in the field -- a senior engineer with deep knowledge of complex systems. That is not the same thing as firing the board or the corporate management.

Steve also axed many top engineers including Larry Tesler who headed up Apple’s R&D division, also a legend at the time, and noted that these people haven’t done anything in a very long time… which was true.

Maybe Yao could have contributed and maybe not but when these Twitter employees were responsible for Twitter losing BILLIONS, it’s time to clean house and rebuild the culture around hard work, innovation, and meritocracy.

Everyone is expendable and Twitter employees who think that the company can’t do without them are delusional. There’s always someone just as good, if not better, waiting in the wings to replace them.

 

[seek3r]

Jordonk Petersonk used his psych skills to understand that there is a group of insecure and easily manipulated people out there to sell dumb self help books to and once they gave him some money they can be manipulated even more. He's just Gwyneth Paltrow for sad men.

I was going to say this but you got to it first, so I’ll just add that the venn diagram of Musk fanboys and Peterson fanboys is basically a circle. The same folks who are convinced Musks flailing at twitter are actually some form of genius are the same folks convinced Peterson is a genius too. I’m actually just surprised he hasnt come up more in this thread honestly

 

[seek3r]

I’ve found Twitter quite useful even though I rarely interact in it. Twitter has been wonderful to connect academics and different threads of thoughts. It’s also been wonderful for many Blacks, I.e., Black Twitter. There are just so many ways to experience Twitter.

Twitter helped form a lot of communities for marginalized groups, that’s definitely a use case that’s going to suffer with it crashing and burning

 

[A MacBook lover]

Who has more obsession, Musk Fanboys or Musk Haters?

Judging by the comments in Macrumors, Elon haters type 10x more on average. So I think it’s the latter.

 

[seek3r]

Everyone is expendable and Twitter employees who think that the company can’t do without them are delusional. There’s always someone just as good, if not better, waiting in the wings to replace them.

Individuals are expendable, entire workforces on running products arent. Like, this is entire reason organized labor actions and unions can exist.

If I left my current job my boss could replace me. It’d be a bit tough relatively speaking and take a bit because the market for senior folks who work on the kind of mixed stack I work on is competitive but he’d find someone eventually. It would take them a few months at least to find and then a few more months likely to get up to full speed but they’d have help along the way from the rest of the team. A pile of institutional knowledge would be lost and some balls would likely get dropped but it wouldnt be a crisis.

On the other hand if the entire team I’m on quit the company would have a very very very serious problem. It would cripple the ability for core products to function and hiring an entire new team and then somehow onboarding them would be Sisyphean.

 

[seek3r]

And I highly doubt you need over 10k people with an average salary of six figures to run a social media website.

Outside of anything else here’s a core problem in your thought process right here. Twitter isnt just a social media website, it’s an ad company *with* a social media website. Let me repeat that for emphasis: twitter is an advertising company. You know, the industry so big they have their own (albeit no longer accurate) metonym of “Madison avenue”?

Twitter may have had a higher burn than income but it still brought in a few *billion* dollars/year in ad revenue

 

[seek3r]

And also strangely obsessed with pajamas.

As a member of the cohort he's railing against, I'd like to mention that some of us wear pants when working at home.

To be fair I 100% worked in flannel pjs on Friday

I WFH, most folks were already out for the holiday so I had no meetings that needed a camera on for, and it was mad cold in the house!

 

[0924487]

Who gets to decide what this natural state is?

If a company once was stable at 100 emplyees and then decided to hire 900 more. After that change, does it contain 10 or 32 "good" workers?

Doesn’t matter, as long as that 900 employees were added organically, it would be 32.

Natural state means equilibrium state. That’s the state without deliberate interference.

You can also think of it as the outcome of a random process.

 

[0924487]

Foxconn has about 1.3 million employees. Only 1140 of those aren't replaceable.

So you recommend they start replacing their 1.29886 million people with better people?

I would recommend all companies to fire 10% of the employees every year, while constantly hiring new employees.

Note that replacing employees only improves the company if you can replace current ones with better ones, or cutting out redundant roles.

 

[AdamNC]

This is pathetic. So much bs and infighting over a social media platform. And this very thread shows why we are so divided and angry all the time. Social media. It sucks and I hope that Twitter collapses like FTX.

 

[macsplusmacs]

To be fair I 100% worked in flannel pjs on Friday

I WFH, most folks were already out for the holiday so I had no meetings that needed a camera on for, and it was mad cold in the house!

I switched to sweatpants. Been like 3 weeks now, ever since the weather cooled.

So comfy!

I should add, went to the dentist last week.

Did wear pants.

I'm at least that professional. (and no cavities!)

 

[bobcomer]

Who has more obsession, Musk Fanboys or Musk Haters?

Judging by the comments in Macrumors, Elon haters type 10x more on average. So I think it’s the latter.

Maybe it's just that there are 10x more of us. It might have nothing to do with obsession. I certainly am not obsessed about Musk, but I do think he's a total jerk and I'd never think about working for him.