Yes! This should be on the front page! iPhone 7 can go to hell.I don't think you're in a 'very' small sample. I did the same thing when I realised the cost of my contract was being hiked by £200 and the new phone had one less feature that I use on a daily basis. I too voted with my wallet and quite a few people I know opted for a 6S due to price this time around. I didn't see the point paying more for a device that I knew I wouldn't get anymore out of. I didn't appreciate the notion that Apple are apparently releasing the new design next year instead of this. For those of us who have invested in first gen releases it seemed like an eff you from them and told to wait another year. Well I bought a cheaper 1 year old design and it's been a pleasure to use. And it plugs into my car without a secondary adapter that I would need to keep remembering to carry with my phone lol. Cheers Apple
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I actually miss my headphone jack
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Um, yeah? 3.5mm is still the industry standard for audio on the go, and will be for many years to come.
Are you really that upset that strangers on the Internet don't have the exact same use cases that you do?
I have no problem at all, if I had a problem with the headphone jack I wouldn't have bought the device in the first place.
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Don't worry mate, your story was perfectly believable and i too have plugged my phone in at parties though the Aux in to have the music from google play music play over the big speakers. Some people are just flat out Apple apologists that believe Apple can do no wrong, even some of these people are getting fed up with Apple these days. At the end of the day if you want high quality Audio you use a wired connection, its as simple as that. The people defending Apple probably think these Bluetooth headsets sound great....
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standard jack vs lightning vs B.T. ... hmmmm
standard jack capable of playing CD quality (and better) digital files
lightning - also capable of CD quality or better digital files
B.T. 4 - mediocre at playing music files and best left for lower bitrate MP3 and AAC.
USB - also capable of CD quality or better digital files
Apple loves to tell us what we need which translates to a G damn excuse. Look at the optical disc that they said was going away. Reality was that they removed it because a) it allowed them to go THINNER on various devices and b) less to compete with their iTunes store where they want you to download your apps and music.
We see laptops starting to come out with less ports which is pathetic as you now must have a docking station or some dongles.
We see new iPhones where people need dongles and/or splitters to handle audio and recharge.
So who is Apple kidding with this iPhone crap? Pretty much no one except those that want to keep on the fanboi blinders. Apple does away with the traditional jack so they can go thinner or included more internals in the space and not because it has one damn bit of superior performance (at least by today's iPhone standard).
Apple - when you make a REAL Mac Mini, get over your pathetic THIN first, function second hard on, and minimalist at the expense of all else but tell us we want that bull, THEN get back to me. Until then save your marketing blather as nothing more than rationalization of couldn't get the job done right.
standard jack capable of playing CD quality (and better) digital files
lightning - also capable of CD quality or better digital files
B.T. 4 - mediocre at playing music files and best left for lower bitrate MP3 and AAC.
USB - also capable of CD quality or better digital files
Apple loves to tell us what we need which translates to a G damn excuse. Look at the optical disc that they said was going away. Reality was that they removed it because a) it allowed them to go THINNER on various devices and b) less to compete with their iTunes store where they want you to download your apps and music.
We see laptops starting to come out with less ports which is pathetic as you now must have a docking station or some dongles.
We see new iPhones where people need dongles and/or splitters to handle audio and recharge.
So who is Apple kidding with this iPhone crap? Pretty much no one except those that want to keep on the fanboi blinders. Apple does away with the traditional jack so they can go thinner or included more internals in the space and not because it has one damn bit of superior performance (at least by today's iPhone standard).
Apple - when you make a REAL Mac Mini, get over your pathetic THIN first, function second hard on, and minimalist at the expense of all else but tell us we want that bull, THEN get back to me. Until then save your marketing blather as nothing more than rationalization of couldn't get the job done right.
I think the reason that you were called out at first was because you had mentioned you were at a party. To me a party is a lot more people than just your wife and a few friends. At a party I would think it's somewhat lame to pass around an aux cable to random people to play music. But if it's just a few friends then your scenario makes much more sense. Had you mentioned it in this manner at first I think you would've got different replies.
Don't miss it at all, and I'm looking forward to new devices that take advantage of the digital link and power supply. Sometimes it take a leader to move the dial.
You're at that point... most of us have moved on with out lives and don't really give a crap.
Again, I mentioned that in this day and age we all have access to all the music we want. I find it peculiar (if I may use that word) that people at a party were swapping devices. Maybe the younger folk (in 32, for reference) are doing things differently, but I feel like we are less tied to a specific device for media consumption than we ever have been.Please explain why my experience is 'out there'? If I was lying I would have dropped this by now but I really am curious why you and others think this is so absurd?
If I change the scenario to my car which does not have Bluetooth and my friend gets in with his iPhone 7, is it still out there? Please see pic below:
Would you believe me if I said he couldn't plug it in here but I could? Or is that extremely far fetched?! I'd love input here
(Written honestly by a liar)
Same goes for the car scenario. I'd simply look up and play whatever it is I wanted to play on the device that had the input for which I had a cable. No swapping phones necessary.
You seem to think I'm calling you a liar. I'm not and never was, though I can only speak for myself. I simply think that the scenario you presented is on the opposite end of the extreme where the other side is saying this outdated tech needs to be buried. Surely there's a happier medium.
But anyway, for future reference, keep an adapter in your car if you often go to parties where device swapping is the norm. You'll be the savior of the party. And please don't read that as sarcastic. It's absolutely straight faced serious. If all it takes is a dongle to fix this issue, be that hero! I did mention I keep a few different charging cables in my car. People do appreciate it in the off chance they need it.
Props for driving a manual, by the way.
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Please explain why my experience is 'out there'? If I was lying I would have dropped this by now but I really am curious why you and others think this is so absurd?
If I change the scenario to my car which does not have Bluetooth and my friend gets in with his iPhone 7, is it still out there? Please see pic below:
Would you believe me if I said he couldn't plug it in here but I could? Or is that extremely far fetched?! I'd love input here
(Written honestly by a liar)
"Your perfectly functional vehicle is obsolete. Buy a new car or get left behind."
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Your scenario about the tube is a great example. For my morning/evening commute to work I use public transport, and everyone is glued to their devices. Out of curiosity, most everyone I've seen with an iPhone 7 have either been using the Lightning EarPods or used the 3.5 dongle with old headphones or giant over the ear cans.
Maybe there'll be a spike in Bluetooth headphone adoption after the holiday season, but if it doesn't happen Apple wouldn't tell.
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I don't think I need to go back and define the word 'party' to be honest. I know we have many different cultures in here but a party can be as little as 4 people if you so wish. The problem here was never me but the guy who took issue with my opinion and looked for an argument. That's pretty much it...
So now you're mocking me by laughing at the fact a couple of phones were swapped at certain points in the evening for different musical tastes and insinuating it was a 'phone swapping party'? No this evidently has nothing to do with age as you're 2 years younger than me so don't make out the younger generation do things differently. The scenario I shared was not something I encounter everyday. It just highlighted that the jack can be missed in certain situations. Just like my car where it's plug it in or just listen to the radio.Again, I mentioned that in this day and age we all have access to all the music we want. I find it peculiar (if I may use that word) that people at a party were swapping devices. Maybe the younger folk (in 32, for reference) are doing things differently, but I feel like we are less tied to a specific device for media consumption than we ever have been.
Same goes for the car scenario. I'd simply look up and play whatever it is I wanted to play on the device that had the input for which I had a cable. No swapping phones necessary.
You seem to think I'm calling you a liar. I'm not and never was, though I can only speak for myself. I simply think that the scenario you presented is on the opposite end of the extreme where the other side is saying this outdated tech needs to be buried. Surely there's a happier medium.
But anyway, for future reference, keep an adapter in your car if you often go to parties where device swapping is the norm. You'll be the savior of the party. And please don't read that as sarcastic. It's absolutely straight faced serious. If all it takes is a dongle to fix this issue, be that hero! I did mention I keep a few different charging cables in my car. People do appreciate it in the off chance they need it.
Props for driving a manual, by the way.
You didn't outright call me a liar, but you mocked my experience and added enough doubt of your own to make it seem far fetched. I think it's probably time to make the decision not to cross paths on Mac Rumors again don't you?
i don't get it when people dismiss other people's concerns on a forum. why visit the forum then? if you only want to hear other people say the same thing that you're already thinking.
The guy's complaint is a genuine one. and why can't apple be wrong? for precedent, apple took away buttons on the ipod shuffle when it came out with voice command. apparently buttons were obsolete. well...apparently not because they brought it back...
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I never had to charge my headphones though. nor do i have to worry of unpairing and repairing... yes the 'wireless' is a benefit. but it comes with great compromises. To me, it's a lateral step than a forward one.I tried a few BT wireless headsets and they seemed fine to me and not much difference than listening through the wire.
Maybe the time has come for Bluetooth to evolve further or maybe another wireless standard to emerge to replace the ancient plug
I don't think you need to either, I was just trying to provide a possible insight as to why you received the responses that you did. It's perfectly fine what you posted as it was something you experienced first hand.
I'm particularly liking the Apple Bandwagon (tm) calling this an Ancient Plug. This makes it sound like apple finally has allowed us to move on now that we've built the Pyramids in Egypt and no longer need this.
And excellent point about a lateral step instead of a step forward.
Cut the cord? Wireless freedom? Hang on a minute
- with a Bluetooth headphone you are required to carry not only a SECOND charge cable along with you WHICH IS THICKER THAN A 3.5MM CABLE but a second charger itself! Unless you're OK with them dying on you while you're out! And in the meantime you need access to two power plugs as well! You're that guy at work with tons of dongles and batteries! How is this simplifying your life vs a thin cable that provides better sound quality and powers your cans with the phones battery?
-listening to Bluetooth headphones uses more power from your phone than listening to the 3.5mm jack! AND, Your new iPhone 7 STILL DOESN'T SUPPORT FAST CHARGING! So not only do you need to constantly worry about the charge of your Bluetooth headphones but your device needs to spend more time on the charger as well for the same amount of music listening you did before (assuming your bt headphones can last that long anyway)
-lasty and this is the real kicker, you can't charge the phone and use headphones even with that rotten adapter at the same time and even if you buy a 40$ dongle and throw it in your new "apple dongles fanny pack" because from what I read the line in microphone doesn't work with those lightning charger / earphone / lightning splitters. What about consultants that use their iPhones to tether and VPN remotely while on conference calls? I was one of them for many years and our company issued iPhones. All of us would sit there with the iphone plugged into our Lenovo laptop and the headsets on for conference calls while tethering over 3g. Now if I have a conference call and my iPhone battery is low because I've been on the headset and not charging, what the f do I do? Charge the phone, but now I can't use the headset.i have 20% battery on my Bluetooth headset now thank god I hope it lasts the next two hours.
Courage indeed. I invite the apologists in this thread to explain to me how the above is progress. The only thing apple will force people to do is jump to android 7.0.
And excellent point about a lateral step instead of a step forward.
Cut the cord? Wireless freedom? Hang on a minute
- with a Bluetooth headphone you are required to carry not only a SECOND charge cable along with you WHICH IS THICKER THAN A 3.5MM CABLE but a second charger itself! Unless you're OK with them dying on you while you're out! And in the meantime you need access to two power plugs as well! You're that guy at work with tons of dongles and batteries! How is this simplifying your life vs a thin cable that provides better sound quality and powers your cans with the phones battery?
-listening to Bluetooth headphones uses more power from your phone than listening to the 3.5mm jack! AND, Your new iPhone 7 STILL DOESN'T SUPPORT FAST CHARGING! So not only do you need to constantly worry about the charge of your Bluetooth headphones but your device needs to spend more time on the charger as well for the same amount of music listening you did before (assuming your bt headphones can last that long anyway)
-lasty and this is the real kicker, you can't charge the phone and use headphones even with that rotten adapter at the same time and even if you buy a 40$ dongle and throw it in your new "apple dongles fanny pack" because from what I read the line in microphone doesn't work with those lightning charger / earphone / lightning splitters. What about consultants that use their iPhones to tether and VPN remotely while on conference calls? I was one of them for many years and our company issued iPhones. All of us would sit there with the iphone plugged into our Lenovo laptop and the headsets on for conference calls while tethering over 3g. Now if I have a conference call and my iPhone battery is low because I've been on the headset and not charging, what the f do I do? Charge the phone, but now I can't use the headset.i have 20% battery on my Bluetooth headset now thank god I hope it lasts the next two hours.
Courage indeed. I invite the apologists in this thread to explain to me how the above is progress. The only thing apple will force people to do is jump to android 7.0.
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I think you should be okay 5 years from now. The problem with bluetooth headphone jack, is lack of supply, high price and impractical (due to immature technology?) of the current bluetooth headphone products.
The digital audio output on the lightning was always there. You can plug a lightning headset into a 6 or 6S. Its not like they added anything new. All they have done is to force you to have an external DAC to listen to music. Not even sure about the quality of the DAC they have bundled into the Dongle plug. So they have added nothing that will enable new devices to take advantage of anything all they did was to remove something that many people use. Even my selfie stick makes use of the headphone plug.
No. I'm really not doing any of this. You're reading between the lines and finding something that isn't there. And worse, you're getting incredibly defensive about it all. I offered you what I felt was a viable alternative to swapping devices out and even tried to understand what necessitates a device swap with today's tech (you offered no response to that) but you seem to keep to want to Keep playing the victim card here...
You don't understand what I'm saying. At all. Or don't want to and simply enjoy arguing. If you wish to never cross paths with me again that is absolutely your prerogative. The block feature is only a few clicks away. You certainly haven't upset me in any way so I don't personally see a need to avoid you. A forum should be about questions and answers. That's all I tried to do here.
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I understood your suggestion about alternatives, but after I explained the background of that night, it would have been irrelevant. Had I had a few friends around my house (party), I have a Sony Bluetooth speaker. A jack wouldn't be an issue.
I took issue with your wording in the last post where you found it bizarre 'we were passing phones' around to play music when we really were not doing that. I explained the background and none of it was complicated or unbelievable.
To be honest I think I'm done here. I never in my wildest dreams expected to have to explain this in detail or justify it. No offence taken
I really miss my headphone jack as well. Sometimes I need to charge my 7 plus while I'm listening to music. I of course can't so I'm forced to break out my iPad so I can continue using apple music.
I sometimes will break out my bluetooth earphone but the sound quality isn't as good as my wired earphones.
I sometimes will break out my bluetooth earphone but the sound quality isn't as good as my wired earphones.
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I continue to shake my head that Apple didn't adopt the simple solution that they did with the external battery case:
A pass-through Lightning port, allowing Lightning headphones to be plugged into the included Lightning charging cable.
I guess the two items that drive Apple are
1) THIN ABOVE ALL (function)
2) LESS is always better (less optical drive, less ports and now less audio jack)
Apple wont make my wallet thin anymore and Apple will have one customer LESS as competitors offer MORE.
1) THIN ABOVE ALL (function)
2) LESS is always better (less optical drive, less ports and now less audio jack)
Apple wont make my wallet thin anymore and Apple will have one customer LESS as competitors offer MORE.
A lot of people living really hard lives in this thread.
Well he certainly is...