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It isn't working but I assume it is the Steve Jobs discussion about the file system. I'm not asking for a full blown file system with access to hierarchies and full level of folders.

I'm asking for documents to be treated the exact same way ios ALREADY treats photos and videos.

It would also work...still can't understand why there is no File.app
 
Because iOS is not Android, Apple has a unique way in doing things, and that's part of their success.

This!

If an iPad could do what a Mac could do guess what? I think everyone knows the answer.

Its all about $$. Apple is a business!

If an Android phone can do everything a Mac or PC can do. Well it doesn't matter too much.
 
The problem is Apple did not make the keyboard any better. For third party keyboard, they have small focus, that is make the keyboard better. Most if them include auto update dictionary, popular words, ten key keyboard. Ten key keyboard is extremely useful on small devices such as iPhone. Now you get what I am saying. Almost all other platform enable users changes default software keyboards, do you hear anyone complaining about that? If a customer doesn't like one aspect of the OS, customers will change and do research by themselves. This has nothing to do with custom services.

Apple does spend a lot of time working on their keyboard. Their Chinese keyboard, for example, has seen huge chances in recent updates. I don't speak Chinese, so I don't know how much better it is now or how it compares to other platforms.



That is exactly the problem lays. This method almost certainly preventing inter-app communication. I believe ability for apps communicating each other us one aspect of modern mobile OS.

As for shares, why not just simply just everything seems appropriate in your app library. See picture below:

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You can't open any file with any app. Apps need to say which file types they support.

Some Apps cast a wide net and support basically every common type of file (such as GoodReader). Google+ could do the same if Google wanted it to.

I don't know how many people will mess up their phone with a file browser, but you can certainly restrict users messing with system files. Security is not a reason for not implementing a file browser. iOS does have file system, it just does not have a file browser. Without file browser, it complicate simple tasks by tenfolds. You can constantly relying on other app. For example, you need app just to write an email with multiple PDF document. That is really silly if you ask me. Users should not have constantly figuring out which app to open a file and remembering which app did they saved to. If you have more than one PDF readers on your iOS, then you need to remember which app were you using for one particular file.

Also for every other platform, have you ever heard someone messed up their phone just because of the file browser?


You're doing something a lot of "power users" do - you think Apple is restricting the device from you. Actually, Apple is restricting the device from malicious Apps.

The reason there is no file browser is because every iOS App only has permissions to access its own folder in the filesystem. So no App can go looking in your WhatsApp attachments or whatever.

The good thing about this is that if a malicious App ever found its way on the AppStore or if some exploit was discovered in a system App, all of that security would still be in place. A malicious PNG file or whatever might hijack Safari, but since Safari can't read or write any of your personal data the attack is contained.

Android malware can do much more damage. Even if it doesn't get root, it can still go searching through your SD card and send any information to a remote server.
 
Apple does spend a lot of time working on their keyboard. Their Chinese keyboard, for example, has seen huge chances in recent updates. I don't speak Chinese, so I don't know how much better it is now or how it compares to other platforms.

Still like I said, there are lots of good software keyboard out there. I don't understand if there is better thing out there, why not just let user choose it. It saves Apple tons of resources trying to fix everything and give users certain freedom on choosing their preferred keyboard. This doesn't damage user experience, it enhances it.

You're doing something a lot of "power users" do - you think Apple is restricting the device from you. Actually, Apple is restricting the device from malicious Apps.

The reason there is no file browser is because every iOS App only has permissions to access its own folder in the filesystem. So no App can go looking in your WhatsApp attachments or whatever.

The good thing about this is that if a malicious App ever found its way on the AppStore or if some exploit was discovered in a system App, all of that security would still be in place. A malicious PNG file or whatever might hijack Safari, but since Safari can't read or write any of your personal data the attack is contained.

Android malware can do much more damage. Even if it doesn't get root, it can still go searching through your SD card and send any information to a remote server.

That is exactly proble lays. I am not sure if security outweighed convinence, but iOS certainly isn't the most efficient mobile OS anymore.

I have never heard any jailbroken devices gets into trouble. I am sure most jailbroken iDevices have iFiles. See you could implementing a file manger that stores everything and every app can access that app. If here is a bad piece of app ever created, it will just mess that app, which is file manager. You can restrict any app access core OS file just like almost all OS do. I think this way would solve lots of issues.

As for Android, I don't think malware problem is extremely bad. I haven't seen many my friend with androids infected with malware.
 
I don't see the problem with alternate key boards. I have to proof read everything I type because iOS autocorrect will change words spelled correctly to words I use more often. I'm 50/50 just turning it off because unlike the competition there is no user editable dictionary.

The keys don't even show capital and lowercase on a screen. Very odd.

Aside from that its completely featureless.

Overall I'm used too it and many may prefer it. That's the good thing about choice, I could get a keyboard that superior (to me) that way everyone wins.
 
Wow, Americans make me facepalm.
He is not talking about performance and speed, is it so hard to understand? He is talking about the features and design!

iOS is not going to last for a while if Apple keeps going in this direction! Sometimes I really feel stupid for owning an iPhone 5, it's just boring and small.

I know lots of people who switched from iPhone to Android and my next phone won't be iOS if nothing changes. On Android you can use a lame 2 years old phone, install the newest version of Android and it will still run quite well, it amazes me. iPhone 4, after 3 years, can't even handle iOS anymore... it's slow as hell!
 
iOS will never have a file browser, as a core concept of the OS is that all apps are sandboxed from one another and the OS.

It is not a computer and was deliberately designed to work differently.

If you don't like it, you probably should find another platform because its never going to get what you want - and its because of a core design decision that was made in the architecture of the platform.
 
iOS will never have a file browser, as a core concept of the OS is that all apps are sandboxed from one another and the OS.

It is not a computer and was deliberately designed to work differently.

If you don't like it, you probably should find another platform because its never going to get what you want - and its because of a core design decision that was made in the architecture of the platform.

I am assuming a POST-PC device is intended to replace a computer. But apparently not.
 
I am assuming a POST-PC device is intended to replace a computer. But apparently not.

REPLACE and "work identically to" are two different things.

You can have one without the other. For the vast majority of people who just want to take and display photos, listen to music, browse the internet/facebook and video chat - a full blown computer is not required, and is actually more of a liability for most users. They break when users install malware, delete files they shouldn't, get a rogue application screw things up, etc.

Sandboxing stops this from happening.

If you need full blown file management (most users do not), then you need a computer, not an IOS device. Might I suggest an MBA?

Post PC doesn't mean PCs(/Macs) will vanish. The PC generation was "post mainframe" and they still exist. They're just not the largest userbase, that's all.
 
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REPLACE and "work identically" are two different things.

You can have one without the other.

When you replacing old technology with new technology, the general requirement is new technology must work better and efficient than old tecnnology. And I don't see all of this.
 
really confused about topics like this. what are you looking to accomplish? do you want us to convince you iOS is great? I understand you have legitimate concerns, i definitely don't think you should stick around iOS if you're so unhappy with it. iOS will never change, just like macosx will never make big changes. Apple doesn't take big risks and they shouldn't people don't buy apple products for its constant innovation, they buy it for the ease to use. you can't recreate ease of use very often, you have to do it in baby steps. i respect that.
 
When you replacing old technology with new technology, the general requirement is new technology must work better and efficient than old tecnnology. And I don't see all of this.

If, for the average user, they can do what they want to do without the platform breaking and without having to look for their data, then in one measure, the new platform "works better".

It is also far less complex for non-technical users such as the elderly, technophobes, young children, etc. My ex's niece for example was able to use an iPad pretty competently at 18 months old.

Your usage pattern evidently is not representative of the average consumer.

All this is entirely subjective and depends on the user. iOS is not intended to be one platform to fit every usage scenario on the planet. If you need manual file management and other stuff iOS doesn't do, Apple sell Macs for that.

If apple wanted to build a device which does everything a Mac or PC does, they would have just built another Mac. That's not what iOS is about.
 
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If, for the average user, they can do what they want to do without the platform breaking and without having to look for their data, then in one measure, the new platform "works better".

It is also far less complex for non-technical users such as the elderly, technophobes, young children, etc. My ex's niece for example was able to use an iPad pretty competently at 18 months old.

Your usage pattern evidently is not representative of the average consumer.

All this is entirely subjective and depends on the user. iOS is not intended to be one platform to fit every usage scenario on the planet. If you need manual file management and other stuff iOS doesn't do, Apple sell Macs for that.

If apple wanted to build a device which does everything a Mac or PC does, they would have just built another Mac. That's not what iOS is about.

Because 18 months old doesn't even do much beside playing around. Does he/she even capable to browse the web? I have exactly different experience. My father is engineering, he can perfectly handling windows well but he cannot use iPad. My aunt can uses her computer writing blogs she still cannot use iPad well.


Even if iOS not intending to fit everyone, it still need perform some basic tasks efficiently. As being discussed many time, you still cannot send multiple email attachments with different file types efficiently nor you can send files between different app without complication.
 
Because 18 months old doesn't even do much beside playing around. Does he/she even capable to browse the web? I have exactly different experience. My father is engineering, he can perfectly handling windows well but he cannot use iPad. My aunt can uses her computer writing blogs she still cannot use iPad well.


Even if iOS not intending to fit everyone, it still need perform some basic tasks efficiently. As being discussed many time, you still cannot send multiple email attachments with different file types efficiently nor you can send files between different app without complication.



Reading through this thread it is clear - although a lot of people have given OP a reason why certain things will be done only certain way at APPLE, he/she is not going to listen and come back with a counter argument.

If you do not like it, then there is competition to chose from. It is a free market, so please feel free to chose what is 'least annoying' for you. Apple will do what it thinks is best for them and its majority of customers (not all of them) and Google will do exactly the same. Android did not come up with 'file browser system so as "NOT TO ANNOY YOU' - it's just how they wanted to create their OS. They created their OS, so most handset makers can adopt their OS...

And do you also think Apple is not looking at their competitive products (same as others are trying to look at iOS capabilities)? I am sure Apple is aware about the file browser system, since days of Steve Jobs and if it any point in time, they feel that users absolutely need a file browser system, then they will do it. THEY CERTAINLY WON'T DO IT, BECAUSE SOME FIND IT ANNOYING...

This thread is pointless, as it is created by something that is 'annoying' the OP, instead of adding huge value to the way iOS works. It's like saying, my neighbour is annoying the way they pick their nose (they should pick it another way), or the way they walk (they should walk some other way) or the music they play (they should play music i like)….

This thread is going to be endless… in fact, I am sure I will get a comeback to this…. and so it will continue on and on… Instead of going to a competitive product that is 'NOT annoying' or 'LESS annoying', we will keep on getting comebacks and bumping up the thread...
 
Wow, Americans make me facepalm.
He is not talking about performance and speed, is it so hard to understand? He is talking about the features and design!

iOS is not going to last for a while if Apple keeps going in this direction! Sometimes I really feel stupid for owning an iPhone 5, it's just boring and small.

I know lots of people who switched from iPhone to Android and my next phone won't be iOS if nothing changes. On Android you can use a lame 2 years old phone, install the newest version of Android and it will still run quite well, it amazes me. iPhone 4, after 3 years, can't even handle iOS anymore... it's slow as hell!

Sorry buy you are talking BS.
And please don't talk like we live on a differet planets and we have never seen or used any phone running Android. If you are lucky to get a phone with the latest version of Android, rest asure, that's the last version you will have on that "mizerable plastic shell" short lived device :) iDevices that are not discontiniued by Apple run the latest version of iOS.

And no, I am not American before you say anything.
 
Because 18 months old doesn't even do much beside playing around. Does he/she even capable to browse the web? I have exactly different experience. My father is engineering, he can perfectly handling windows well but he cannot use iPad. My aunt can uses her computer writing blogs she still cannot use iPad well.

writing a blog is best done on a computer.

Even if iOS not intending to fit everyone, it still need perform some basic tasks efficiently. As being discussed many time, you still cannot send multiple email attachments with different file types efficiently nor you can send files between different app without complication.

You're talking about edge cases. most people don't work with multiple file attachments on their ipad. They upload photos to facebook/flickr/g+/etc.

Which is all done seamlessly (automatically, if the user so chooses) within the respective apps.

I totally understand that the device doesn't do what you want.

My point is that you're attempting to make the device do things it was never designed to do, intentionally.

The ipad is for browsing (web, facebook, email, media) and LIGHT data entry, when a more full featured device like a notebook would be inconvenient.

It is designed to be relatively lightweight, good battery life and above all simple to use. It is not meant to store data on it exclusively (it is synced to other devices/cloud) because being handheld, there's a good high risk it will get broken or lost. Hence, no filesystem.

If you want to do heavier duty processing/maniuplation than the ipad offers, sync the data to a device designed for doing it.
 
In summary, from the arguments being made, ios is better suited for grandmothers who want to look at photos of their grand kids and occasionally email them.

Other platforms are better suited for professionals who actually need to be productive.

I understand now.
 
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In summary, from the arguments being made, ios is better suited for grandmothers who want to look at photos of their grand kids and occasionally email them.

Other platforms are better suited for professionals who actually need to be productive.

I understand now.

Yeah, you absolutely got it.

I have to admit though, this forum seem to have some of the greatest minds on the planet. And you seem to be one of them :rolleyes:
 
Wants to open PDF in Google Plus.

10/10. Good troll. You got people to bite for six pages.
 
Wants to open PDF in Google Plus.

10/10. Good troll. You got people to bite for six pages.

Clearly you can't handle any slight negativity toward Apple aren't you. If share PDF at Google Plus isn't that common, then you term to share a link in Google plus.... Try also send multiple file attachments on one email....
 
Wow, Americans make me facepalm.
He is not talking about performance and speed, is it so hard to understand? He is talking about the features and design!

iOS is not going to last for a while if Apple keeps going in this direction! Sometimes I really feel stupid for owning an iPhone 5, it's just boring and small.

I know lots of people who switched from iPhone to Android and my next phone won't be iOS if nothing changes. On Android you can use a lame 2 years old phone, install the newest version of Android and it will still run quite well, it amazes me. iPhone 4, after 3 years, can't even handle iOS anymore... it's slow as hell!

Im fairly certain most of this is not true. From what Ive heard you generally cannot install the latest version of Android on a phone that's 2 years old. You also shouldn't compare a 2 year old Android phone to a 3 year old iPhone 4... The iPhone 4s is at least twice as fast as the iPhone 4 isnt it? The iPhone 4s was released 2 years ago. Does the iPhone 4s have massive issues running iOS 7?
 
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