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I believe TouchID is coming back in 2018. Here's why
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Yes Halloween masks are such an inconvenience once a year on the fraction of people who wear them whom will have to simply enter their passcode instead. Just as those previously who've worn costume gloves would've had to with Touch ID.
Knowledgeable persons in the world huh? 99.999% of people will not have their passcode hacked. The FBI couldn't even hack iPhones. Try again with something that actually hinders and is a practical problem.
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Wait so why won't you be using facial recognition?
Mainly because I can get into my phone plenty fast enough using fingerprint. It really only takes as long as picking up my phone to unlock it. Also, I don’t need anyone in my household holding my phone up to my face while I’m sleeping to be nosey. If they touch my finger to it then I’ll wake up. I just see it as I can enter my phone just as fast using my fingerprint as I could using FaceID scanning. I also can just push the power button 5 times before bed to disable TouchID. Now having FaceID on a Mac wouldn’t be bad at all, but on the iPhone/iPad part, I just find it more costly and not any more useful than TouchID. I bet by the time it scans your face, my fingerprint will have my phone unlocked.
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Oh and one more thing. When the FBI was trying to get into that guys phone, I bet they could’ve forced him to use facial recognition, but they couldn’t force him to use his passcode. I just feel it may not he as secure as everyone thinks. I may be wrong.
doubt it'll bomb tho. i mean, this is apple. they wont be releasing a major feature, a security feature nonetheless, if it isnt anything short of a success.
Firstly, Touch ID is reportedly gone and if that is true, it will not come back to any future iPhones. Secondly, Touch ID works perfectly and Face ID wasn't designed as a necessarily superior methodology in terms of ease-of-use, but rather, a means of security in the abscence of Touch ID due to the difficulties in getting Touch ID under the display. Also, Face ID is highly likely more secure, and it reportedly works in milliseconds, and therefore it will likely be faster than Touch ID, and it will likely be more accurate as well (although Touch ID is basically 99% accurate).
Lastly, the sleeping issue people have suggested could be solved by Face ID not unlocking if it detects the eyes are not opened. If you were asleep it would not unlock, it's really a simple conclusion I came to in like 10 seconds when I first saw someone suggest that. And no, a blinking of the eyes when awake would be of no consequence since it would be scanning for at least a second, if not constantly in certain circumstances.
Even Apple has some screw ups on occasions, like Apple Maps when it first launched, and the good old "you're holding it wrong" antenna-gate of the iPhone 4. But no, I don't actually expect FaceID to bomb. I'm just saying that it's not impossible.
I did wonder about the FaceID requiring the eyes to be open or a blink so thanks for clearing that up. About the part as if they remove the TouchID feature then it would never return, the iPhone SE has proven that to be incorrect about 4” devices. I really can’t argue about the FaceID being more secure anymore if everything you stated is a fact. Even with the FBI incident, I guess you don’t have to have FaceID turned on just like as of now you don’t have to have TouchID enabled either.
As Apple is very committed to equality and diversity, I wonder what unlocking feature they will have for
people who cover their faces for religious reasons.
people who cover their faces for religious reasons.
I don't think they'll bring it back. They're going to tell people FaceID is better than touchID, so what would be the purpose of brining it back in the future?
Besides, 2018 makes a little sense.
The development of a new device takes years, so Apple was already thinking about the 2018 device while developing the one they're selling this month. If TouchID under the display was only one year away they'd have postponed the bezelfree model, made the 7s more appealing and wait another year for the big launch.
They decided to go for FaceID, and let's see what happen. I trust them, they're not introducing something buggy and less secure than TouchID, since security is essential for Apple pay.
I like TouchID, and I expected it to be embedded under the screen this year, but is not going to happen. I don't think I'll buy the edition model this year but not because of touchID, and I know eventually I'll have an iPhone with FaceID, I see no big problems with that if it is implemented correctly. I was skeptical some months ago, but if FaceID will work in the dark and at a wide angle I'll be happy to have it
Besides, 2018 makes a little sense.
The development of a new device takes years, so Apple was already thinking about the 2018 device while developing the one they're selling this month. If TouchID under the display was only one year away they'd have postponed the bezelfree model, made the 7s more appealing and wait another year for the big launch.
They decided to go for FaceID, and let's see what happen. I trust them, they're not introducing something buggy and less secure than TouchID, since security is essential for Apple pay.
I like TouchID, and I expected it to be embedded under the screen this year, but is not going to happen. I don't think I'll buy the edition model this year but not because of touchID, and I know eventually I'll have an iPhone with FaceID, I see no big problems with that if it is implemented correctly. I was skeptical some months ago, but if FaceID will work in the dark and at a wide angle I'll be happy to have it
It's not possible for Apple to accommodate every function and feature to all iPhone users. As Technology continues to change and evolve, we also change with it. Rather it conforms To everyone is variable.
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They have done in the past, and really they are not removing this from the lineup. They are removing it from one model because they don't have a choice. They didn't want to remove it, and there is no reason why it wouldn't come back next year after their work on it.
Unless you work for Apple you don't know that "they didn't want to remove it" Apple could of been planning this all along, what's likely is that they will remove the home button for the 8 (or whatever it's called) but keep it on the cheaper 7s and 7s Plus this year but remove it completely on next years iPhone's, there are rumours they are working on a 6.4" iPhone Plus for next year which will replace the current one, bringing it back to 2 phone's:
iPhone 5.8" display
iPhone Plus 6.4"
What will they do for people with no faces/covered faces? I imagine the same thing they do for people with no fingers/covered fingers now.
Costumes?! Seriously? Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy Halloween- propbably more than most adults, but it's still only once a year and most places won't let you wear a mask anyway.
Can the FBI force you to unlock it? Well this is still bouncing around court, but probably. They can do the same with your fingerprint - and they have that surveillance team watching your every move so they know which fingers you use too. Luckily, you'll be able to press the lock button 5 times to require a passcode to unlock, as that has shown in the beta.
Ooh, you could TRAIN the camera on your Halloween mask and that would solve costumes and the FBI in one go. Don't tell them which mask unlocks the phone.
Just admit it: you hate change.
Don't get me wrong, if the thing doesn't work, it's crap. But at least TEST it first? Until then, is it really worth the stress? Or are you just hoping to be the first person to append "gate" to the slightest perceived fault, whether it is a real issue or not (bend gate?) as you leave in a huff for Samsung? Exploding battery-gate doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, does it.
What if you grow a beard? Apple hates manly men and is pushing the metrosexual agenda!
Can't wait to hear Trump tout facial recognition as the "anti-terrorism" smart phone.
What if someone hacks the database and gets pictures of my face?
Did you hear about the 16 year old who trained the camera on his genitalia? If apple stores that image, they are complicit in kiddie porn!!!
What if I was burned by acid like in phantom of the opera? How would I unlock my phone? Facial recognition would give me self esteem issues too.
Hey, scuba divers wear masks? How are they supposed to unlock their phones? Welders?
Costumes?! Seriously? Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy Halloween- propbably more than most adults, but it's still only once a year and most places won't let you wear a mask anyway.
Can the FBI force you to unlock it? Well this is still bouncing around court, but probably. They can do the same with your fingerprint - and they have that surveillance team watching your every move so they know which fingers you use too. Luckily, you'll be able to press the lock button 5 times to require a passcode to unlock, as that has shown in the beta.
Ooh, you could TRAIN the camera on your Halloween mask and that would solve costumes and the FBI in one go. Don't tell them which mask unlocks the phone.
Just admit it: you hate change.
Don't get me wrong, if the thing doesn't work, it's crap. But at least TEST it first? Until then, is it really worth the stress? Or are you just hoping to be the first person to append "gate" to the slightest perceived fault, whether it is a real issue or not (bend gate?) as you leave in a huff for Samsung? Exploding battery-gate doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, does it.
What if you grow a beard? Apple hates manly men and is pushing the metrosexual agenda!
Can't wait to hear Trump tout facial recognition as the "anti-terrorism" smart phone.
What if someone hacks the database and gets pictures of my face?
Did you hear about the 16 year old who trained the camera on his genitalia? If apple stores that image, they are complicit in kiddie porn!!!
What if I was burned by acid like in phantom of the opera? How would I unlock my phone? Facial recognition would give me self esteem issues too.
Hey, scuba divers wear masks? How are they supposed to unlock their phones? Welders?
Odd response v3rlon but you make some good points.
That must be why this was implemented in iOS 11>>>
https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/08/18/cops-fingerprints
That must be why this was implemented in iOS 11>>>
https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/08/18/cops-fingerprints
Yeah, still waiting for forced fingerprint unlock question to get to Supreme Court. I've seen the Virginia case. I was advocating a hard lock option back then. I dislike power off because the most likely thing they would want my phone for is filming them doing something they shouldn't. I'd hate for valuable evidence to be accidentally erased.
And even THAT is an unlikely scenario.
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On and off for the past few years. Mostly in digital photography section. I drift through here around September each year.
Haha. Even if you’re trying to be serious, you still crack me up. I guess they better go behind closed doors.
Just curious... what are cops looking for when they look through your phone? Or the TSA at the airport?
I guess I subscribe to the theory "If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear"
I'm not gonna sit in a jail cell for ANY length of time because I refuse to let cops look through my phone... especially if there's nothing on it.
I can understand if you DO have criminal evidence on your phone and you want to protect yourself. That's fine.
But the average user?
How many of us here fall into the category of criminal?
I guess I subscribe to the theory "If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear"
I'm not gonna sit in a jail cell for ANY length of time because I refuse to let cops look through my phone... especially if there's nothing on it.
I can understand if you DO have criminal evidence on your phone and you want to protect yourself. That's fine.
But the average user?
How many of us here fall into the category of criminal?
You should watch some news from around the world. Turkey, for example. Thousands of people became "criminals" overnight, without doing anything wrong. It could happy everywhere, because the definition of "something to hide" can change quickly, depending on who is in charge. Don't take a free society with an independent judicial system for granted, especially not these days, not even in the U.S.
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[doublepost=1504561571][/doublepost]Touch ID may not be gone from this model. After all is that larger power button just for convenience. And we've seen Samsung put Touch ID in a button
So don't count it out just yet
Sure... I understand that other parts of the world are a mess in this regard. I'm not discounting that.
I was speaking more broadly... and as a US citizen.
It goes back to my first question:
What are they looking for?
If I get stopped... and the cop asks to see my phone... and I know there's nothing on it... why should I resist?
Why should I be detained for an unknown amount of time if I know I've done nothing wrong?
Thankfully I've never been asked to unlock my phone during a simple traffic stop or whatever. But if I did... I'd unlock it.
Because it would make me seem suspicious if I didn't unlock it, right?
I often hear "if you get pulled over... turn off your phone so it will ask you for the password and the cops can't force you to open it..."
That's great advice... but what if that prompts the cops to arrest me for resisting? There's nothing bad on my phone in the first place!!
You have the right not to incriminate yourself. If the cops or DA want to go on a fishing expedition to see if they can find anything to stick.
Also bear in mind that you can be guilty of a crime without realizing it. For example, the Lacey Act prohibits import, export, transport, or possession of any wildlife, living or dead, taken in violation of any law, regulations, or TREATY, of the US, state or Indian tribal law. Note the treaty binds you to foreign law. So if the lobster you just ate from Canada is in violation of Turkish law, you could be on the wrong side of the law without realizing it.
And since the DA is in that other political party, and can see in your photos that you were campaigning for the wrong team, decides to make an example of you.
Or maybe you filmed the police behaving badly so they threw you in the jail for 'interfering with their investigation,' while demanding you unlock the phone.
At least cops never commit crimes. You have nothing to worry about should one of them have access to your phone getting your banking passwords (like officer Malinsky Balize in Miami) or even sending out texts pretending to be you so they can harass/arrest your family and friends also (more cases than I could mention, but I love the one where they ask a parent to come over because the dog was out and arrest them too)
The would never send personal photos of you to other officers in the department with absolutely no bearing on any case. See California Higheay patrol officer Sean Harrington's plea deal (no jail time).
Yeah...no reason not to help them out.