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I believe TouchID is coming back in 2018. Here's why
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I don't know about the US, but here in the U.K. You can't be stopped without probable cause, I have never known a friend or anyone I know personally get stopped by the police and the officer asks to see their phone, you can deny access without a warrant as well here in the UK you can deny a police officer the right to enter your house or personal property (unless their is imminent danger to someone's life) without a warrant. All of this talk about people gaining access to the next iPhone due to "Face ID" is overblown.
There are 70,000 traffic stops per day in the US.
Are cops really downloading everyone's contacts lists and combing through thousands of photo and videos per phone to do all the stuff you just said?
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Considering my comments were based on unlocking your phone for the cops... and the thread is about the loss of TouchID... I'd say it's related.
Everyone is making a big issue out of this, but Apple should just put Touch ID on the back of the phone like most Android phones do it. It’s a simple solution.
Law enforcement officers need a warrant to access your phone contents unless two provisions apply: (Based on my training and state laws).
1.) Exigent Circumstances- The police access your phone due to an emergency.
2.) Valid Consent- Where the police access the contents to your phone with permission from the owner and have this in writing.
Always, by all means, law-enforcement officer should always be applying for a warrant under any other circumstances and less those provisions above apply. They can seize a phone for evidence, but they can't access the information until a warrant is granted. (Based on my state laws. )
No, No they shouldn't! if "Face ID" is as good as it seems from the early rumours Touch ID won't be needed. People complain about Apple having a "lack of innovation" and yet here they are moving forward with something that could potentially revolutionise the way we unlock and use our devices, yet people are still complaining
I don't know why i'm surprised tho, people just like to complain.
There are 70,000 traffic stops per day in the US.
Are cops really downloading everyone's contacts lists and combing through thousands of photo and videos per phone to do all the stuff you just said?
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I did mention specific examples.
There are 70,000 traffic stops per day according to some internet post I just read. Its not like the cops shoot innocent people every time either. But it SHOULDN'T be happening at all.
But, too often, we don't care until it impacts one of us personally. By then, it is too late.
In response to someone else - current court rulings suggest that it requires a warrant to get you the reveal a passcode, but they are free to unlock your touch ID without one. None of this has bounced off SCOTUS yet, though.
Now I'm wondering about the time it would take to examine my phone even if I unlocked it for the cops.
I've got 500 contacts in my phone and hundreds of text message threads. And 1,000 photos. Are the cops gonna paw through my phone while I sit on the side of the road?
Or do they have some magic box that dumps the entire contents of my phone while I'm waiting in my car?
And I'm just one person. What about the dozens of people a cop pulls over in a day? There aren't enough hours in the day to examine 600 gigabytes of data per day.
I understand that cops might stumble upon something on someone's phone. Thanks for explaining that.
But it just seems crazy to think about the sheer volume of phones per day that they would have to look through for only the possibility of finding something.
I was arrested once for missing a court date. I got picked up and taken to jail. But the sheriff told me specifically to leave my phone at home. Don't even bring it. He wasn't even interested in my phone.
Because of that experience... that's why I'm curious about how phones get handled in these situations.
I can see if you get arrested arrested on suspicion of a crime... then they might be interested in your phone contacts and whatnot.
I guess it's conditional.
face ID: do not want
i dont see touchID going anywhere any time soon, it only just came to the mac, and Apple could have used FaceID there a lot easier. They didn't for some reason.
i dont see touchID going anywhere any time soon, it only just came to the mac, and Apple could have used FaceID there a lot easier. They didn't for some reason.
Apple won't go back in technology. That's like Apple putting back USB's in their MacBook Pro.
No, No they shouldn't! if "Face ID" is as good as it seems from the early rumours Touch ID won't be needed. People complain about Apple having a "lack of innovation" and yet here they are moving forward with something that could potentially revolutionise the way we unlock and use our devices, yet people are still complaining
I don't know why i'm surprised tho, people just like to complain.
But Apple has no reason to get rid of TouchID. They just added it to the new MacBooks, so what good does it do them to remove it from their most popular product (iPhone)? Samsung didn’t remove the fingerprint sensor from the Galaxy S8 or Note 8 when they added iris scanning and face unlock, so why should Apple? And fingerprint sensors are becoming more commonplace on midrange Android phones. Apple has no reason to buck the trend just to push their FaceID tech. It doesn’t need to be one or the other.
Apple have been developing this facial recognition system for many years now, it's not something that they have thought up over the last few months, it will replace Touch ID because they believe that it's better, it's what Apple does they work on a technology for many years before introducing it and replacing the previous technology. "Face ID" is said to be very fast and work very well according to the leaks and reports over the last few months.
As for your second point Apple are not Samsung they have already done things differently, Samsung have all those other features on their phones because they haven't taken the time to perfect the facial recognition system for example, it can easily be unlocked (S8) via a picture, Apple's "Face ID" is said to be much more advanced (using 3D for example).
What about for authorizing App Store and Apple Pay transactions? It would be incredibly easy to accidentally confirm something by looking at your phone to authorize a transaction.
Assuming Apple hasn't enjoyed the success that they have by employing total idiots, do you really think that no one has thought about this?
Chances are you will still have to perform some action like a tap or a swipe to confirm the transaction.
I'm sure Apple will have thought about this, it's something they have been working on for many years, I'm sure they have thought about all these types of questions and more. The point is don't dismiss something before you've seen it, people were dismissive of Touch ID before it was announced and now people are falling over themselves hearing that it's being taken away.
actually they had several choices.
- keep the home button
- put touchID in the power button
- put touchID on the back
- getting touchID under the display ready in time
personally i'm glad it's not on the back, the camera is already ugly enough and on the devices i tried it, it was very inconvenient.
power button scanner has been done on some devices and works pretty well, since you can wake up the device with the same button.
and obviously "under the display" would have been the neatest option.
noone can really know for sure if they will bring it back or not. but if faceID works perfectly and most people would just never use touchID again, the will likely not bring it back, because it adds to the weight, thickness, costs and complexity. which are all things apple will try to avoid if possible.
unless they want to push multifactor authentication for some reason.
samsung likes big numbers and to tick every box on the spec list, which is why they are going a different road and usually offer more/every option and alot of people like that. apple values simplicity and tries to keep things and choices simple, which in turn helps them to optimize for it. but it will not please everyone.
both are valid choices and we get to choose which path we would like to follow.
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I meant at the stage of abandonment, their intent was an under the display scanner, not any of the others. Anyway, as you say if FaceID goes brilliantly then it could replace TouchID, so well have to see what happens.actually they had several choices.
- keep the home button
- put touchID in the power button
- put touchID on the back
- getting touchID under the display ready in time
personally i'm glad it's not on the back, the camera is already ugly enough and on the devices i tried it, it was very inconvenient.
power button scanner has been done on some devices and works pretty well, since you can wake up the device with the same button.
and obviously "under the display" would have been the neatest option.
noone can really know for sure if they will bring it back or not. but if faceID works perfectly and most people would just never use touchID again, the will likely not bring it back, because it adds to the weight, thickness, costs and complexity. which are all things apple will try to avoid if possible.
unless they want to push multifactor authentication for some reason.
samsung likes big numbers and to tick every box on the spec list, which is why they are going a different road and usually offer more/every option and alot of people like that. apple values simplicity and tries to keep things and choices simple, which in turn helps them to optimize for it. but it will not please everyone.
both are valid choices and we get to choose which path we would like to follow.
But they justs added Touch ID to MacBook and now it’s becoming obsolete.
[doublepost=1505154737][/doublepost]I would be very happy if Apple announced tomorrow that they’re keeping Touch ID along with the Home button, since it’s such an iconic design of the iPhone.
If not then I’ll just get the “lesser” iPhone 8 models.
Remember this:
iPod shuffle generations left to right: 1st, 2nd, 3rd (Apple removed the controls), 4th (controls are back by popular demand!)
Well it’s not really becoming obsolete, it’ll stil, be in devices and it’s a cheaper form of secure identification, not to mention easier to implement in MacBooks due to the thickness ‘constraints’.
Touch ID will come back as soon as they find a way to put it under the glass or in the glass itself. It will be an option to Face ID, and PIN.
Why under the glass though? I’d be fine with them keeping the home button as is since it serves a function and works well. I don’t see them removing it from the iPad either.
Touch Id on the back would have been ideal. Use the apple logo as the scanneractually they had several choices.
- keep the home button
- put touchID in the power button
- put touchID on the back
- getting touchID under the display ready in time
personally i'm glad it's not on the back, the camera is already ugly enough and on the devices i tried it, it was very inconvenient.
power button scanner has been done on some devices and works pretty well, since you can wake up the device with the same button.
and obviously "under the display" would have been the neatest option.
noone can really know for sure if they will bring it back or not. but if faceID works perfectly and most people would just never use touchID again, the will likely not bring it back, because it adds to the weight, thickness, costs and complexity. which are all things apple will try to avoid if possible.
unless they want to push multifactor authentication for some reason.
samsung likes big numbers and to tick every box on the spec list, which is why they are going a different road and usually offer more/every option and alot of people like that. apple values simplicity and tries to keep things and choices simple, which in turn helps them to optimize for it. but it will not please everyone.
both are valid choices and we get to choose which path we would like to follow.