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I bet we will feel better about the new iPhone after we hear the apple spin on it.

Vegastouch said:
Go back and read the post. I never said a thing about the iPhones though as i pointed out, the 4S is still more than a GS3 off contract and the 4S is older. I was talking about how much their products are as a whole. They are a lot more expensive compared to other computers that are equivelent or other products that are even more powerfull and i posted a link showing that.
I guy i replied to said they were expensive because they were more powerfull and built better than others and i countered that.

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I paid $400 for my 16GB 1st gen iPod. It was a good device but didnt like that it had no volume button on the side and no speaker, but, i did buy it and it was expensive IMO.

Paid $380 for my 16GB iPhone 2G on eBay after selling a 4GB iPhone on eBay for $315 that i paid $100 for.

Got the MacBook Pro from friends of mine that own a iPhone/Apple repair store in Sacramento. Paid $500 for it and it was in great shape, just needed a battery that cost $40 and then got it from them after they fixed it. I may get a couple more things from them as well for good deals. Dont know yet and im in no hurry for anything but i wont pay Apples inflated prices anymore. The iPod was it for me. Still have both the iPod and iPhone but may be looking to sell both soon.



No you are. Apples profits are very high. Someone posted they make like 70% profit on the phones alone. Their profit margins are high on everything though.
How can you explain their Mac Pro costing $2500 while another i found has the same processor(intel) but more powerfull, a better graphics card, double the harddrive and more RAM and it costs $1370?

How much do you think Apples 7" tablet will cost? I bet it isnt going to cost $199 like the Nexus 7.

Who is delusional?
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You wouldn't pay $299 for the small iPad? You don't think that is a reasonable price?
 
Why will I feel better after the 'Apple spin' on the Iphone5?????

You're making it sound as though Apple has to convince me to buy it.
THEY DON'T. If I like what i see I'll buy it. Otherwise I won't. Regardless of what Apple says. Keep in mind the hardware has to have appeal, as I'm going to hold and use the hardware every day. And of course IOS 6 has to be good also which i'm sure it will be.
 
bushman4 said:
Why will I feel better after the 'Apple spin' on the Iphone5?????

You're making it sound as though Apple has to convince me to buy it.
THEY DON'T. If I like what i see I'll buy it. Otherwise I won't. Regardless of what Apple says. Keep in mind the hardware has to have appeal, as I'm going to hold and use the hardware every day. And of course IOS 6 has to be good also which i'm sure it will be.
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I ran out of packets. My pitcher of water is ready, ice in the freezer. I just need more of the stuff. Let's see what new flavor they come out with. I'm thirsty.
 
Vegastouch said:
Nope, maybe you not getting that im saying i think profit is their biggest focus.
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...and this is different than other businesses?

They will sell you iPhones without MMS, copy and paste and while you eat those up, two years later they will give you that. Maybe they will give you some things this time around that has been around on other phones for two years and you will eat those up too.
Sometimes i think Apple loyalists are just dumb. Cant fault Apple for making those big profits when the robots keep coming back for more.
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One, I'm not an "Apple loyalist," but I fail to see what that has to do with this discussion. You are talking as if "innovation" is mutually exclusive of "profit"; thus, a business concerned with profit will not also concern themselves with innovation. That's absurd and suggests a fundamental misunderstanding of business.

You're saying Apple is focused on profit, and I'm saying: You're right! And so is every-other business out there. What, you think Samsung is offering you lower priced options in phones out of the kindness of their corporate heart? Because that's what it sounds like...

Why? Because they are expensive! I do like Apples stuff or i wouldnt have any of it but new, they are ridiculously priced. If you dont think so or dont care...great! Its your money.
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Well, write them a letter I guess? Maybe if Apple had your product pricing expertise to guide them, their stock would be worth more than a measly $635 a share!

:cool:
 
BoxerGT2.5 said:
$199 for the device, $100 for the "premium name".
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I see it being closer to the price of the Kindle Fire.

applefanDrew said:
I agree. I think it will be $249. But I said $299 to appease his idea that Apple rips you off.
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$249 makes sense to me as well... because I do not see them making it the same price as the Kindle Fire... But if they manage to get to the 199.99 Price point for the base model... Sales will be incredible.

Vegastouch said:
Who said it is going to be $299? And if that is for an 8GB, no, when i can get a 16GB N7 for $249.
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With the iPad 2 16 GB being only $399.... I do not think the price will be 299.99 for 16 GB... The issue is that people are more likely to use a tablet for video media than they would with a phone... So I think 8 GB is too small with out the ability to add additional storage capacity through a micro SD card.
 
Vegastouch said:
How about this One with MORE power than the lowest priced Mac Pro at nearly half the price using the same intel processor but more powerfull, twice the RAM and a better graphics card?
Oh wait, the Mac Po may have $15-20 worth of aluminum on it :rolleyes:
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Your speed comparison is actually Intel's fault. First, it is NOT using the same processor. (or RAM) The Xeons have other benefits that you are apparently ignoring when compared with the desktop Core series. BUT, Intel is behind on getting Ivy Bridge versions out, so the Xeons are behind on raw speed. People have been whining about the MP for over a year, but Apple really can't change Intel's timeframe much. And, even if these different processor types were on the same timeframe, the Xeons are not about getting the highest speed number, they will always be a bit lower.

I'm not saying that link you posted doesn't have some things better than a MP for some people, but your comparison is quite flawed. You sound like you want to buy a gaming computer and thought the MP would be it. It isn't.
 
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JAT said:
Your speed comparison is actually Intel's fault. First, it is NOT using the same processor. (or RAM) The Xeons have other benefits that you are apparently ignoring when compared with the desktop Core series. BUT, Intel is behind on getting Ivy Bridge versions out, so the Xeons are behind on raw speed. People have been whining about the MP for over a year, but Apple really can't change Intel's timeframe much. And, even if these different processor types were on the same timeframe, the Xeons are not about getting the highest speed number, they will always be a bit lower.

I'm not saying that link you posted doesn't have some things better than a MP for some people, but your comparison is quite flawed. You sound like you want to buy a gaming computer and thought the MP would be it. It isn't.
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Owned.

(I think it's hilarious when people try to pick out the Mac Pro for comparisons. Take the MacBook and the iMac if you want to compare it to things. The Mac Pro is a very very niche market where the people that buy that have multimillion dollar budgets and those little extra hundreds don't even change anything. It's like a drop of water in the ocean. Then with the other comparisons, how can one quantify the price of perfection and the trackpad and MacOSX? The UI response, the fact that it doesn't slowdown and get sluggish when you add programs. It's always a fair price all things considered. Lol nice try though)
 
trouble747 said:
...and this is different than other businesses?
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Very different. Many companies actually have sales and incentives on top of better prices from the get go.

Apple gives you $50 off a laptop every now and then and mostly when the new model is about to come out.


One, I'm not an "Apple loyalist," but I fail to see what that has to do with this discussion. You are talking as if "innovation" is mutually exclusive of "profit"; thus, a business concerned with profit will not also concern themselves with innovation. That's absurd and suggests a fundamental misunderstanding of business.
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:rolleyes: Innovation from who, Apple? They copied most everything and just improved it.

You're saying Apple is focused on profit, and I'm saying: You're right! And so is every-other business out there. What, you think Samsung is offering you lower priced options in phones out of the kindness of their corporate heart? Because that's what it sounds like...
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Only a fool doesnt see the difference and again, im not just talking about phones and in fact ive hardly mentioned those and only did when you mistakingly mentioned it the first time.


Well, write them a letter I guess? Maybe if Apple had your product pricing expertise to guide them, their stock would be worth more than a measly $635 a share!

:cool:
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They would sell a lot more products ill guarantee you that.

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JAT said:
Your speed comparison is actually Intel's fault. First, it is NOT using the same processor. (or RAM) The Xeons have other benefits that you are apparently ignoring when compared with the desktop Core series. BUT, Intel is behind on getting Ivy Bridge versions out, so the Xeons are behind on raw speed. People have been whining about the MP for over a year, but Apple really can't change Intel's timeframe much. And, even if these different processor types were on the same timeframe, the Xeons are not about getting the highest speed number, they will always be a bit lower.

I'm not saying that link you posted doesn't have some things better than a MP for some people, but your comparison is quite flawed. You sound like you want to buy a gaming computer and thought the MP would be it. It isn't.
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Ive no interest in a gaming computer. Why would you assume that just because i posted a link of something? Bottom line , that computer has more power and i could find many more that are more comparable but why?

The thing im showing is price and all you can point out is those computers arent very comparable. How about the huge price difference? Are you saying if i found one that is not a gaming computer that it would cost near the same as a Mac Pro?......because that would be a ridiculous statement.

Hey if your ok paying $499 for a tablet, $2200 for a 15" laptop then who am i to judge? Not all Americans spend wisely that is for sure.

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Bobby Corwen said:
Owned.

(I think it's hilarious when people try to pick out the Mac Pro for comparisons. Take the MacBook and the iMac if you want to compare it to things. The Mac Pro is a very very niche market where the people that buy that have multimillion dollar budgets and those little extra hundreds don't even change anything. It's like a drop of water in the ocean. Then with the other comparisons, how can one quantify the price of perfection and the trackpad and MacOSX? The UI response, the fact that it doesn't slowdown and get sluggish when you add programs. It's always a fair price all things considered. Lol nice try though)
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You probably think the magic mouse is perfection too. A $70 dollar mouse that Logitech makes the same thing for much less.

Bobby, quit trying to pretend you even know what we are talking about.

"Owned" ....LOL, you just make me laugh with your child responses.
 
Back to the OP...

Of course apple will put a spin on it! They will market it as the thinnist iphone (maybe phone?) ever! Itll be the smoothest phone ever, blah blah blah!

and the millions of people who dont care about anything but usability will buy it!
Only problem i see, is that unlike those on here who are mostly fanboys, the average consumer does not give two ***** what the internals are or how much "advanced" iOS 6 is compared to the rest...they only care about 2 things: 1) it looks almost the same from the previos two iphone models 2) it runs very very smooth! So i can bet all my money it will sell millions of iphones, but break records? idk about that! remember, to the average consumer looks and usability are big factors!
 
thecurryman said:
Back to the OP...

Of course apple will put a spin on it! They will market it as the thinnist iphone (maybe phone?) ever! Itll be the smoothest phone ever, blah blah blah!

and the millions of people who dont care about anything but usability will buy it!
Only problem i see, is that unlike those on here who are mostly fanboys, the average consumer does not give two ***** what the internals are or how much "advanced" iOS 6 is compared to the rest...they only care about 2 things: 1) it looks almost the same from the previos two iphone models 2) it runs very very smooth! So i can bet all my money it will sell millions of iphones, but break records? idk about that! remember, to the average consumer looks and usability are big factors!
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I bet they will slam the Galaxy and Nexus as being too big and unruly to hold in the hand.
 
Bobby Corwen said:
I bet they will slam the Galaxy and Nexus as being too big and unruly to hold in the hand.
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It's ironic because if apple just reduced the bezel, they'd automatically have a larger screen without physically having to increase the dimensions of the device!
 
adildacoolset said:
For a while, microsoft had virtually no competition. Nowadays, mac is growing faster than windows, especially now because of windows 8. Windows 8 on desktop seems as if apple bribed microsoft to build it.
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Of course Mac is growing faster than Microsoft... Microsoft already has something like 90%+ of the market. It's tough to grow when there is almost nowhere to grow.
 
Bobby Corwen said:
You have to remember that some people can't tell the difference between 99c store Dijon mustard and Grey Poupon.

So to them all that is left is the idea that it's just a scheme to get more money.

"But they are both Dijon mustard" they would say.

"And people just buy Grey Poupon because of marketing."

The whole time they don't even have enough taste to differentiate between quality and the cheap imitation. In fact they hate the idea of Grey Poupon because it's fancy but the whole time the sensible man of a certain taste for the finer things is sitting there laughing.

Lol
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On the flip side, there are also those people who keep on buying that brand although they can't taste the difference from the cheaper brands. They are eating it because:
1) all his friends are eating it
2) it's trendy, social status
3) read the label/ad, saw a commercial that it is supposedly the best
4) favorite personality using/endorsing it.

If you need somebody to tell and decide for you that Grey Poupon taste better than your average Dijon mustard, then it probably isn't for you.

And yes, people with common sense are also laughing at these wannabes.

Lol
 
fr33 loader said:
On the flip side, there are also those people who keep on buying that brand although they can't taste the difference from the cheaper brands. They are eating it because:
1) all his friends are eating it
2) it's trendy, social status
3) read the label/ad, saw a commercial that it is supposedly the best
4) favorite personality using/endorsing it.

If you need somebody to tell and decide for you that Grey Poupon taste better than your average Dijon mustard, then it probably isn't for you.

And yes, people with common sense are also laughing at these wannabes.

Lol
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Even if they are just following the crowd and can't decide for themselves, they are still getting the better Dijon. The people who CAN tell the difference have shown the ones who can't that that is the cool product to get.

For those of us who can tell the difference, we know.

For those that can't, they can just copy us.

Woe be unto those who neither have enough taste to differentiate for themselves, and are also too self centered and insecure to copy those that do know and they are left using inferior products due to some misguided wannabe-hipster agenda based on fallacies of the ego.

The important thing is that Grey Poupon tastes better. And the sensible man looks for what is the best. Everything else is just childish mind games and self loathing.

If I see other people doing something... Im gonna do it too. Simple as that.
 
Bobby Corwen said:
Even if they are just following the crowd and can't decide for themselves, they are still getting the better Dijon. The people who CAN tell the difference have shown the ones who can't that that is the cool product to get.

For those of us who can tell the difference, we know.

For those that can't, they can just copy us.

Woe be unto those who neither have enough taste to differentiate for themselves, and are also too self centered and insecure to copy those that do know and they are left using inferior products due to some misguided wannabe-hipster agenda based on fallacies of the ego.

The important thing is that Grey Poupon tastes better. And the sensible man looks for what is the best. Everything else is just childish mind games and self loathing.

If I see other people doing something... Im gonna do it too. Simple as that.
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Wow, just wow. :eek:
 
Bobby Corwen said:
Even if they are just following the crowd and can't decide for themselves, they are still getting the better Dijon. The people who CAN tell the difference have shown the ones who can't that that is the cool product to get.

For those of us who can tell the difference, we know.

For those that can't, they can just copy us.

Woe be unto those who neither have enough taste to differentiate for themselves, and are also too self centered and insecure to copy those that do know and they are left using inferior products due to some misguided wannabe-hipster agenda based on fallacies of the ego.

The important thing is that Grey Poupon tastes better. And the sensible man looks for what is the best. Everything else is just childish mind games and self loathing.

If I see other people doing something... Im gonna do it too. Simple as that.
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But how can I trust your sensibility if your selling power bracelets for a living?
 
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