I bet we will feel better about the new iPhone after we hear the apple spin on it.

[onthecouchagain]

I disagree.

The people responsible for these decisions have first and foremost a passion for innovation and creating the best products which reflects upon them as being the best. Selling phones and profit is an after-thought to these people who are wealthy beyond our wildest dreams. And they know well that profits, the best profits come as a result of their genius work and innovation.

To say they are just profit hungry is unfair and generally ignorant. Even their expensive prices serve a purpose beyond just making profits. It's meant to create value and consumer pride of ownership.

Bobby: http://9to5mac.com/2012/07/26/apple-makes-as-much-profit-on-one-iphone-as-it-does-on-two-ipads/

They make anywhere from 50-60% profit off a single iPhone sale. There have been reports in the past (back in 2011) where some profits show they could be as high as 75% (look it up yourself) per iPhone sale. It doesn't need to be that high.

Not to mention everything Wrathwitch said.

 

[Vegastouch]

Yeah, I'm surprised by how many Samsung fanboys there are. I used to think they were android fanboys or apple haters, but then they start hating in the HTC One X, which is much better than the Galaxy 3 IMHO, and it's just weird they have a following.

In any case, I think the 4" 16x9 screen will be just fine, while I would have preferred a 4.3", 4" will suite me.

Id buy the HOX if it had come with a MicroSD slot. But it didnt and then i read that multitasking on it is lacking so i went with Samsung. Its not a following. Its geting a better device IMO.

We'll see if the HTC One X+ on T-Mobile is better.

 

[pear21]

Apple is getting KILLED by Samsung!

Apple, want to be more than 17% of the smartphone market? I got an idea! How about TWO different iPhones, Gasp! Perhaps even three to appeal to MORE people. What a concept! Some people like the 3.5" screen but others like me would love a 4.5" screen. I have never, for the life of me, understood Apple's one phone fits all" mentality. They have many different computers, many different iPods even, but one phone is all you get. One iPad but a mini coming soon. Imagine GM or Ford making ONE car model only. It's insane.

And 4G LTE had been out for 2.5 years and still nothing from Apple.

If they would put out a few different phones in a few varied shapes and sizes, they would appeal to a lot more people. As good as a device as it is, the iPhone is only 17% of the smart phone market. It could be a lot more if Apple weren't so dang stubborn and stepped up their game a bit.

One more thing. Other companies tell us what's coming down the pike, give us a tease, keep us interested. Not a peep from Apple. I can assure a few million of the recent Galaxy buyers could easily have been iPhone buyers if they were given a reason to hood on a bit.
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This is a good point, there are 3 different sized MacBooks to fit different people's different needs. Why can't they do the same with the iPhone and make different models. It also looks like there is going to be a new iPad to choose from but still only one new model of an iPhone.

 

[LizKat]

Not sure I can totally agree here. You think if Ford or Toyota only made one car instead of having 15-20 different models for a customer to choose from this would be good business practice? No way. What if Nike only made one model of shoe? Or Nikon only made one camera? "One item fits all" is not good for business.

Yah well Motorola went down that road of having lots more models to choose from and we see how that worked out.

 

[Bobby Corwen]

You are the King of childish responses and your the one that said only the Cool people use the iPhone. What a childish thing to say

Well I respect your opinions. I guess we can agree to disagree?

Bobby: http://9to5mac.com/2012/07/26/apple-makes-as-much-profit-on-one-iphone-as-it-does-on-two-ipads/

They make anywhere from 50-60% profit off a single iPhone sale. There have been reports in the past (back in 2011) where some profits show they could be as high as 75% (look it up yourself) per iPhone sale. It doesn't need to be that high.

Not to mention everything Wrathwitch said.

Yeah but think about it this way... When you hear about all those customer service stories about people going in to get their 2005 MacBook model fixed and they got a new 2011 replacement. Or if your headphones mess up and you go in they give you new ones. They always seem to just give customer satisfaction in ways other companies can't. That's where the profits go. Back to us in a roundabout way. Or into making sure we have the best of the best development of luxury products with no detail overlooked. Or to pay the best engineers and innovators. The best software and the best hardware.

On top of that it makes sense from a psychology standpoint because once you pay to get into the family it feels rewarding. You know for a fact that nothing is compromised and that feels good. Higher prices make exclusive ownership feel good.

Cheap prices cheapen the product.

When I sell products at my businesses I sometimes lose sales if I price my products too low. That's not apples fault consumers think like that.

I used to sell energy bracelets and when I priced them at 10$ people skipped on them. When I priced them at 60$ they started asking questions and buying (after I lowered the price to "50% off")

This is a good point, there are 3 different sized MacBooks to fit different people's different needs. Why can't they do the same with the iPhone and make different models. It also looks like there is going to be a new iPad to choose from but still only one new model of an iPhone.

Again, I agree there should be a jumbo iPhone. Perhaps an iPad mini that makes calls.

 

[supermarius]

Apple is getting KILLED by Samsung!

Apple, want to be more than 17% of the smartphone market? I got an idea! How about TWO different iPhones, Gasp! Perhaps even three to appeal to MORE people. What a concept! Some people like the 3.5" screen but others like me would love a 4.5" screen. I have never, for the life of me, understood Apple's one phone fits all" mentality. They have many different computers, many different iPods even, but one phone is all you get. One iPad but a mini coming soon. Imagine GM or Ford making ONE car model only. It's insane.

And 4G LTE had been out for 2.5 years and still nothing from Apple.

If they would put out a few different phones in a few varied shapes and sizes, they would appeal to a lot more people. As good as a device as it is, the iPhone is only 17% of the smart phone market. It could be a lot more if Apple weren't so dang stubborn and stepped up their game a bit.

One more thing. Other companies tell us what's coming down the pike, give us a tease, keep us interested. Not a peep from Apple. I can assure a few million of the recent Galaxy buyers could easily have been iPhone buyers if they were given a reason to hood on a bit.
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Agreed, Apple should change their business model, they're in jeopardy of getting run out of town by Sammy

In any case, saw someone with a GS3 for the first time, it happened to be in Vegas and belong to some Asian guy at the slots...

 

[Sdahe]

Forget about the iphone... Im enyoing my GS3.. Im in love

 

[docprego]

I think some of our opinions will be soothed once we not only see the exact features and design but also hear Apples reasoning and polished spin on things.

Such as the reason for an elongated but not wider design, and the headphone jack placement. I feel like whatever dogmatic reasoning they have will make us more content.

It will be like "oh yeah, I guess they are right, --that's why they did that."

They always know how to make us believe...

This is very true. In addition there will be features and functions that we didn't see coming.

 

[sentinelsx]

Hardly, the one X uses the tegra 3 chip and the S3 uses the exynos chip

Whilst the CPU performance is similar, the S3's mali-400 GPU destroys everything

Well. You live in the free Europe. We live in north america where everything is the same

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Forget about the iphone... Im enyoing my GS3.. Im in love

Now install AOKP from task650 on it and take off the cheezewiz and you will love it even more. Guaranteed

 

[onthecouchagain]

Yeah but think about it this way... When you hear about all those customer service stories about people going in to get their 2005 MacBook model fixed and they got a new 2011 replacement. Or if your headphones mess up and you go in they give you new ones. They always seem to just give customer satisfaction in ways other companies can't. That's where the profits go. Back to us in a roundabout way. Or into making sure we have the best of the best development of luxury products with no detail overlooked. Or to pay the best engineers and innovators. The best software and the best hardware.

You really can't grasp reality can you? You act as if all their profits go to customer service and replacements. Look up how much cash Apple is sitting on (hint: it's a lot. More than the US government has). Look up what they did recently for their stock holders a few months ago.

It's your life and your choice to drink from all the kool-aid you want, but it's really something else to think profit isn't a major reason behind the things they do. You keep thinking if you constantly praise Apple, you're doing the company good. You're actually not. Intellectual honesty and integrity go a much longer way; your posts eagerly anticipating Apple to tell you what to like and what to consider "cool" is awfully revealing and proves you have very little, which makes conversing with you virtually moot. So be it.

 

[Bobby Corwen]

This is very true. In addition there will be features and functions that we didn't see coming.

I agree its the little things.

You really can't grasp reality can you? You act as if all their profits go to customer service and replacements. Look up how much cash Apple is sitting on (hint: it's a lot. More than the US government has). Look up what they did recently for their stock holders a few months ago.

It's your life and your choice to drink from all the kool-aid you want, but it's really something else to think profit isn't a major reason behind the things they do. You keep thinking if you constantly praise Apple, you're doing the company good. You're actually not. Intellectual honesty and integrity go a much longer way; your posts eagerly anticipating Apple to tell you what to like and what to consider "cool" is awfully revealing and proves you have very little, which makes conversing with you virtually moot. So be it.

I do it because I respect success. I'm a very positive person. I look up to greatness because I wish to learn from it and celebrate it.

I like to give credit where credit is due.

Again, we can agree to disagree.

 

[onthecouchagain]

I like to give credit where credit is due.

Again, we can agree to disagree.

No one is discrediting Apple for what they do. But only one of us is pretending Apple isn't extremely (or primarily) interested in profit.

And you keep throwing around that term "agree to disagree" as if we've met half way or that the conversation ended where we can't come to a clearer conclusion. Given the staggering profit margins per device (the iPhone 4S, almost a year old now, has not seen a price drop on their site. The iPhone 3GS is $375 unlocked, last I checked. That's over two years old. Really, think about that.), given their cash assets, given their actions recently with shareholders, there is only one conclusion when it comes to their thoughts on profit (read: it's utterly important to them).

You can pretend to disagree with that, then say "agree to disagree" but that doesn't mean anything when only one of us is being realistic, and the other regurgitating what is being spoon fed by the company (and still asking to be spoon fed even more).

Like I said, you've made an error in these posts, revealing that you don't think for yourself, and more specifically, that you ask for Apple to do the thinking for you. It takes away from your creditability.

It really is like religion. I've never seen a more apt comparison.


EDIT: Really, this says it all:

I guess what I'm saying is I want Apple to make it officially cool to not have a giant screen and phrase it in a way that actually convinces me so I can stop feeling like I'm missing out by not having the largest or one of the largest screens. I want them to make a statement with the new phone to make me feel like its like that on purpose for a good reason so that I can feel content.

 

[applefanDrew]

Yes because the only one that isnt 6 figures to purchase on that list is the Porsche. Tiny market indeed. Think ive seen maybe 5 Rolls in my lifetime. The Lamborghini dealer here in town has ONE salesman...lol

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LOL, great! Thanks for making them rich by paying them their average of 40% profit margin. Funny how they use many Samsung parts and intel chips and it is made in china like everyone else but they still charge you more for all their stuff.

$2500 for the cheapest computer tower? $3700 for the other one. $1500 for a 13.3" retina display laptop? Even $129 for that tiny iPod Nano is too much. Should be about $40.
Bill Gates wasnt the richest man in the world because he had ridiculous prices on everything. He sold a lot of stuff.

LOL at the inaccuracies in your reply.

 

[trouble747]

The iPhone 3GS is $375 unlocked, last I checked. That's over two years old. Really, think about that.), given their cash assets, given their actions recently with shareholders, there is only one conclusion when it comes to their thoughts on profit (read: it's utterly important to them).

A business, focused on profit? Now I've seen everything!

 

[onthecouchagain]

A business, focused on profit? Now I've seen everything!

Yeah, unbelievable, isn't it? Apparently so, to Bobby Corwen.

 

[Sedrick]

You really can't grasp reality can you? You act as if all their profits go to customer service and replacements. Look up how much cash Apple is sitting on (hint: it's a lot. More than the US government has). Look up what they did recently for their stock holders a few months ago.

It's your life and your choice to drink from all the kool-aid you want, but it's really something else to think profit isn't a major reason behind the things they do. You keep thinking if you constantly praise Apple, you're doing the company good. You're actually not. Intellectual honesty and integrity go a much longer way; your posts eagerly anticipating Apple to tell you what to like and what to consider "cool" is awfully revealing and proves you have very little, which makes conversing with you virtually moot. So be it.

+1. I finally just had to put this person on my ignore list along with a few others who are living in an Apple induced coma.

 

[chakraj]

Yes, lipstick does do a good job of prettying up a pig.

 

[Bobby Corwen]

No one is discrediting Apple for what they do. But only one of us is pretending Apple isn't extremely (or primarily) interested in profit.

And you keep throwing around that term "agree to disagree" as if we've met half way or that the conversation ended where we can't come to a clearer conclusion. Given the staggering profit margins per device (the iPhone 4S, almost a year old now, has not seen a price drop on their site. The iPhone 3GS is $375 unlocked, last I checked. That's over two years old. Really, think about that.), given their cash assets, given their actions recently with shareholders, there is only one conclusion when it comes to their thoughts on profit (read: it's utterly important to them).

You can pretend to disagree with that, then say "agree to disagree" but that doesn't mean anything when only one of us is being realistic, and the other regurgitating what is being spoon fed by the company (and still asking to be spoon fed even more).

Like I said, you've made an error in these posts, revealing that you don't think for yourself, and more specifically, that you ask for Apple to do the thinking for you. It takes away from your creditability.

It really is like religion. I've never seen a more apt comparison.


EDIT: Really, this says it all:

In response to the bolded, did you not read my post 105????????

Looollllll. I already explained that to you.

Did you not read the whole analogy about the bracelets and how prices dictate value?????

Do you need Gucci/Prada analogies?

Can you comprehend what I am telling you good sir?

You keep going on like I don't understand something.

I understand everything. Clearly we disagree. There is a concept we can agree on? No?

If you skip over whole paragraphs and concepts I write aNd then act like I didnt write them, what else is there to conclude with?

 

[onthecouchagain]

+1. I finally just had to put this person on my ignore list along with a few others who are living in an Apple induced coma.

What's amazing though is he's doing nothing to convince us otherwise that he doesn't think for himself. He isn't even trying to debunk that. Even some of the other more devoted iOS fans on this board should be embarrassed by the likes of Bobby Corwan.

But you're right. I've already responded more than enough to him.

 

[Vegastouch]

No one is discrediting Apple for what they do. But only one of us is pretending Apple isn't extremely (or primarily) interested in profit.

And you keep throwing around that term "agree to disagree" as if we've met half way or that the conversation ended where we can't come to a clearer conclusion. Given the staggering profit margins per device (the iPhone 4S, almost a year old now, has not seen a price drop on their site. The iPhone 3GS is $375 unlocked, last I checked. That's over two years old. Really, think about that.), given their cash assets, given their actions recently with shareholders, there is only one conclusion when it comes to their thoughts on profit (read: it's utterly important to them).

You can pretend to disagree with that, then say "agree to disagree" but that doesn't mean anything when only one of us is being realistic, and the other regurgitating what is being spoon fed by the company (and still asking to be spoon fed even more).

Like I said, you've made an error in these posts, revealing that you don't think for yourself, and more specifically, that you ask for Apple to do the thinking for you. It takes away from your creditability.

It really is like religion. I've never seen a more apt comparison.


EDIT: Really, this says it all:

Exactly! Precisely how i saw it. Booby is nothing but a follower and a fanboy in every sense of the word and even HE doesnt believe the BS he posts in here while bashing everything else. That bolded sentence he posted said it all.

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LOL at the inaccuracies in your reply.

Well please , point them out. I dont see any.

 

[applefanDrew]

Exactly! Precisely how i saw it. Booby is nothing but a follower and a fanboy in every sense of the word and even HE doesnt believe the BS he posts in here while bashing everything else. That bolded sentence he posted said it all.

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Well please , point them out. I dont see any.

Well, most, if not all, of your "cheap" PCs are not made with a unibody aluminum shell. So I don't think there is a fair 1:1 comparison there. It's the same insides, so we'll say $800. Add on backlit keyboard, unibody aluminum shell, all glass display, OS X, and tie in to the iCloud/iTunes/iDevice universe...I think that takes care of the "extra" $400.

$1500 for a retina 13.3 inch laptop? Nope, there is no 13.3 inch retina laptop from Apple. And the entry level 13.3 laptop is $1199. There is a 15.4 inch retina laptop for $2199.

You use the Mac Pro as your comparison for towers. But again, not a 1:1 comparison. Most PC towers that consumers buy don't have the power the Mac Pro has. It's way overkill. The fair comparison would be a PC tower vs. an iMac. Entry level iMac is $1199. (see above for the "extra" money)

 

[Bobby Corwen]

Well, most, if not all, of your "cheap" PCs are not made with a unibody aluminum shell. So I don't think there is a fair 1:1 comparison there. It's the same insides, so we'll say $800. Add on backlit keyboard, unibody aluminum shell, all glass display, OS X, and tie in to the iCloud/iTunes/iDevice universe...I think that takes care of the "extra" $400.

$1500 for a retina 13.3 inch laptop? Nope, there is no 13.3 inch retina laptop from Apple. And the entry level 13.3 laptop is $1199. There is a 15.4 inch retina laptop for $2199.

You use the Mac Pro as your comparison for towers. But again, not a 1:1 comparison. Most PC towers that consumers buy don't have the power the Mac Pro has. It's way overkill. The fair comparison would be a PC tower vs. an iMac. Entry level iMac is $1199. (see above for the "extra" money)

Checkmate.

(and there goes his credibility)

Good night sweet VegasTouch

 

[Vegastouch]

Well, most, if not all, of your "cheap" PCs are not made with a unibody aluminum shell. So I don't think there is a fair 1:1 comparison there. It's the same insides, so we'll say $800. Add on backlit keyboard, unibody aluminum shell, all glass display, OS X, and tie in to the iCloud/iTunes/iDevice universe...I think that takes care of the "extra" $400.

$1500 for a retina 13.3 inch laptop? Nope, there is no 13.3 inch retina laptop from Apple. And the entry level 13.3 laptop is $1199. There is a 15.4 inch retina laptop for $2199.

You use the Mac Pro as your comparison for towers. But again, not a 1:1 comparison. Most PC towers that consumers buy don't have the power the Mac Pro has. It's way overkill. The fair comparison would be a PC tower vs. an iMac. Entry level iMac is $1199. (see above for the "extra" money)

Aluminum is .50-.80 per pound. Wow, now theres a big price increase that should require a huge markup. I dont care if the entire weight of the device is 10 pounds. That is $5 to 8 dollars in aluminum. Hec lets give it $1 per pound, well thats $10.


As for the 13.3 not having a retina display...., ok..so its $2200 for the 15" instead. Now i feel better and not taking it in the behind. And $1199 for a 13" laptop is ridiculous. I have one, and i didnt quite pay that and it is nice. But it costs too much.

You can spin it anyway you want for the MacPro. $2500 for the cheapest one is robbery. It has intel chips in it just like many PC's. How about asking Apple to add some memory to it? Yeah thats right, that will add another big chunk to the price.

How about this One with MORE power than the lowest priced Mac Pro at nearly half the price using the same intel processor but more powerfull, twice the RAM and a better graphics card?
Oh wait, the Mac Po may have $15-20 worth of aluminum on it

You showed me nothing except your blind as well.

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Checkmate.

(and there goes his credibility)

Good night sweet VegasTouch

Indeed

 

[Bobby Corwen]

Aluminum is .50-.80 per pound. Wow, now theres a big price increase that should require a huge markup. I dont care if the entire weight of the device is 10 pounds. That is $5 to 8 dollars in aluminum.


As for the 13.3 not having a retina display...., ok..so its $2200 for the 15" instead. Now i feel better and not taking it in the behind. And $1199 for a 13" laptop is ridiculous. I have one, and i didnt quite pay that and it is nice. But it costs too much.

You can spin it anyway you want for the MacPro. $2500 for the cheapest one is robbery. It has intel chips in it just like many PC's. How about asking Apple to add some memory to it? Yeah thats right, that will add another big chunk to the price.

How about this One with MORE power than the lowest priced Mac Pro at nearly half the price using the same intel processor but more powerfull, twice the RAM and a better graphics card?
Oh wait, the Mac Po may have $10 worth of aluminum on it

You showed me nothing except your blind as well.

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Indeed

What he showed and pointed out was that you exagerated and maligned the facts.

This means that your bias shows because you don't really care about the facts.

You don't really care about the truth.

It exposes that your only interest is to push your hidden agenda and the truth doesn't matter to you.

Reputation is everything Vegastouch, guard it with you life.

It's hard to quantify just how big of a hit your general integrity took with this one. It's best to be honest rather than exagerating and maligning facts to try to prove some misguided point.

The point is Apple is the best. Deal with it.

 

[Vegastouch]

What he showed and pointed out was that you exagerated and maligned the facts.

This means that your bias shows because you don't really care about the facts.

You don't really care about the truth.

It exposes that your only interest is to push your hidden agenda and the truth doesn't matter to you.

Reputation is everything Vegastouch, guard it with you life.

It's hard to quantify just how big of a hit your general integrity took with this one. It's best to be honest rather than exagerating and maligning facts to try to prove some misguided point.

The point is Apple is the best. Deal with it.

pfft,...No he didnt. He DID however point out the 15" is the one with retina display instead of the 13"and it is $700 more. Its still damn expensive and that is my point.

Other than that, i was right on and showed him a more powerful computer for nearly half the price, and aluminum is damn cheap so that was a dumb reason why Apple is way more expensive.

As for the second bolded...lol, you dont know what your talking about as usual. Click the link i provided and tll me that one is NOT more powerfull than the entry Mac Pro for $2500

We all know your agenda and you have no Rep , unless a bad rep counts.