I bet we will feel better about the new iPhone after we hear the apple spin on it.

[Bobby Corwen]

pfft,...No he didnt. He DID however point out the 15" is the one with retina display instead of the 13"and it is $700 more. Its still damn expensive and that is my point.

Other than that, i was right on and showed him a more powerful computer for nearly half the price, and aluminum is damn cheap so that was a dumb reason why Apple is way more expensive.

As for the second bolded...lol, you dont know what your talking about as usual. Click the link i provided and tll me that one is NOT more powerfull than the entry Mac Pro for $2500

We all know your agenda and you have no Rep , unless a bad rep counts.

Looks like we got him staggering on his heels!!

Quick Drew!!! Deal the finishing blow!!!!

 

[Vegastouch]

Looks like we got him staggering on his heels!!

Quick Drew!!! Deal the finishing blow!!!!

not a thing i posted was off asside from the laptop size. You seem to be staggered though.

 

[Sodeepop]

I owned the Galaxy S3 for a few weeks, returned it to get the HOX. The galaxy s3 just feels cheap, touchwiz and its apps has a very outdated look, screen isn't up to par with the high end phones, and the phone got very hot (had to replace a galaxy s3 cause I thought it was defective due to how hot it got).

Anyways back to topic, I absolutely think that the iPhone 5 will seem better when they announce it with some features that we aren't expecting.

There's probably going to be a refresh of the ipod line as well. I for one am looking forward to a new ipod classic or touch.

 

[Ay_Zimmy]

Bobby: http://9to5mac.com/2012/07/26/apple-makes-as-much-profit-on-one-iphone-as-it-does-on-two-ipads/

They make anywhere from 50-60% profit off a single iPhone sale. There have been reports in the past (back in 2011) where some profits show they could be as high as 75% (look it up yourself) per iPhone sale. It doesn't need to be that high.

Not to mention everything Wrathwitch said.

They spend billions in research.. Gotta earn it back.. I mean with a plan it's $199 $299 pretty good deal compared to what you used to get for your money

 

[boy-better-know]

To be honest I already like the design of the suposed phone. Apples marketing should send me over the edge.

 

[Phone Junky]

What he showed and pointed out was that you exagerated and maligned the facts.

This means that your bias shows because you don't really care about the facts.

You don't really care about the truth.

It exposes that your only interest is to push your hidden agenda and the truth doesn't matter to you.
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Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Vegas, your mistake was, at most, a simple error, to which you've owned up.

However, this entire thread demonstrates that Bobby doesn't think for himself, and happily admits to it, and happily wants to continue doing so; far more damaging of an impression.

Again, you need only show this:

I guess what I'm saying is I want Apple to make it officially cool to not have a giant screen and phrase it in a way that actually convinces me so I can stop feeling like I'm missing out by not having the largest or one of the largest screens. I want them to make a statement with the new phone to make me feel like its like that on purpose for a good reason so that I can feel content.

Vegas, at this point, Bobby is either trolling you, or delusional. Either way, you're wasting your time. You'd be foolish to continue replying.

 

[trouble747]

As for the 13.3 not having a retina display...., ok..so its $2200 for the 15" instead. Now i feel better and not taking it in the behind. And $1199 for a 13" laptop is ridiculous. I have one, and i didnt quite pay that and it is nice. But it costs too much.

You can spin it anyway you want for the MacPro. $2500 for the cheapest one is robbery. It has intel chips in it just like many PC's. How about asking Apple to add some memory to it? Yeah thats right, that will add another big chunk to the price.

I'm not exactly sure what your point is...that you wished apple products were cheaper so that you could more easily afford them?

Well sure. I wish BMWs were more affordable. I wish Armani suits were cheap, too. But they're not, so I buy less expensive products that I can afford. I do have an Apple laptop, because it is superior to other offerings in the PC market in my opinion (and I hate windows). My partner used to consistently buy less expensive PC laptops, and I always found them to be cheap looking and feeling. We both have macs, now (and yes, we pay a premium for them).

Like every-other for-profit business on the planet, Apple prices their products in order to maximize profit. It's a publicly owned company, not a charity.

 

[Vegastouch]

Lol, i can afford them and as you can see i have a few. I just dont think their stuff is good value with having the same parts as most other products that are cheaper. Apple cares mostly about profit and if your good while getting bent over, then great.

 

[sentinelsx]

Lol, i can afford them and as you can see i have a few. I just dont think their stuff is good value with having the same parts as most other products that are cheaper. Apple cares mostly about profit and if your good while getting bent over, then great.

Did you buy your S3 for $300 out of contract? IF not, why did you bend over for something that should cost less?

 

[Bobby Corwen]

Lol, i can afford them and as you can see i have a few. I just dont think their stuff is good value with having the same parts as most other products that are cheaper. Apple cares mostly about profit and if your good while getting bent over, then great.

Why not drive a KIA and buy a 350$ netbook with a web browser? It gets you from A to B.

 

[Vegastouch]

UOTE=sentinelsx;15467710]Did you buy your S3 for $300 out of contract? IF not, why did you bend over for something that should cost less?[/QUOTE]

Im not really talking about phones but, i paid $230,my bill went down $50per month. Not up to have an iPhone and it is cheaper to buy a S3 off contract than it is an older 4s.

Not really a good comparison for what im talking about though but nice try.

 

[sentinelsx]

Im not really talking about phones but, i paid $230,my bill went down $50per month. Not up to have an iPhone and it is cheaper to buy a S3 off contract than it is an older 4s.

Not really a good comparison for what im talking about though but nice try.

What were you talking about then?

You must be using t-mobile i guess. Here in Canada whether you buy android or iPhone your contract price, length, and the phone price remains the same. I guess US carriers are still the odd ones.

 

[mattopotamus]

What were you talking about then?

You must be using t-mobile i guess. Here in Canada whether you buy android or iPhone your contract price, length, and the phone price remains the same. I guess US carriers are still the odd ones.

If you buy a phone for the retail price, everything stays the same....I have no clue what he was talking about.

 

[Bobby Corwen]

If you buy a phone for the retail price, everything stays the same....I have no clue what he was talking about.

Nobody ever does...

 

[MLG]

Clearly greater market share is better, but many higher-end brands do just fine even when occupying only a small portion of their respective markets.

This is a strange and sad thread in general...I've tried to stay out of it.

Reality check, though...not meant to target trouble but just grabbed this post because it was an area I wanted to comment on...the iPhone isn't the 'Bentley' of phones. They are not going for a niche market here. It's more like the BMW of phones...and as we know they make BMWs in all sizes. If they JUST made the 3 series, then people would be asking for a larger car...thus why they make the 5, 6, 7, etc.

And by sharing parts across those cars, they cut down on waste. For those arguing that they would be losing money by making 15 different phones instead of 1, that's not a realistic scenario. By making 3 phones appealing to different people but sharing a lot of the basic parts and structure, development costs would be minimized...economies of scale. And with Apple working to control their suppliers and the supply chain, this is something they could do easily.

 

[kyellowness]

I think the more and more I see the renderings of the new iPhone, the more I like it. I think I may just get the black one.

 

[trouble747]

Lol, i can afford them and as you can see i have a few. I just dont think their stuff is good value with having the same parts as most other products that are cheaper. Apple cares mostly about profit and if your good while getting bent over, then great.

If I felt that Apple's products were some sort of ripoff, I wouldn't buy them. Apparently you do, but you buy them anyway. To each their own.

But the repeated assertion that Apple is focused on "profit" is terribly obvious to the point of not needing mention. Of course they're focused on profit. If you're under the impression that other for-profit businesses that you interact with are (unlike Apple) looking to put their products in your hands at the lowest cost possible to you, you're delusional.

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Reality check, though...not meant to target trouble but just grabbed this post because it was an area I wanted to comment on...the iPhone isn't the 'Bentley' of phones. They are not going for a niche market here. It's more like the BMW of phones...and as we know they make BMWs in all sizes. If they JUST made the 3 series, then people would be asking for a larger car...thus why they make the 5, 6, 7, etc.

And by sharing parts across those cars, they cut down on waste. For those arguing that they would be losing money by making 15 different phones instead of 1, that's not a realistic scenario. By making 3 phones appealing to different people but sharing a lot of the basic parts and structure, development costs would be minimized...economies of scale. And with Apple working to control their suppliers and the supply chain, this is something they could do easily.

Hey, maybe you're right, and Apple's business plan is flawed. There isn't a whole lot of factual support for such a contention, however, in my estimation. But I don't particularly care one way or the other, because the iPhone suits my needs. If it didn't, I'd look elsewhere.

 

[MLG]

Hey, maybe you're right, and Apple's business plan is flawed. There isn't a whole lot of factual support for such a contention, however, in my estimation. But I don't particularly care one way or the other, because the iPhone suits my needs. If it didn't, I'd look elsewhere.

I'm not saying Apple's business plan is flawed...I'm saying their plan is not to be a niche phone market. They want to sell as many of these as possible. If they were trying to be along the lines of Bentley or Aston Martin, etc, they'd price it at $5000 and target the top end of the market. They are more like BMW...nice/luxury brand but still accessible. Where is the 'factual support' to the contrary?

 

[Bobby Corwen]

I think the more and more I see the renderings of the new iPhone, the more I like it. I think I may just get the black one.

I keep reminding myself that I remember when I first saw the leaked iPhone 4 from restaurant-gate I thought it was underwhelming.

But then Steve said "you ain't seen it".

And then when I saw it I was like holy crap...

I'm hoping the same thing will happen this time. Which is why I am reserving judgement until its in my hands delivered to my door on the 20th.

(I will be one of the lucky ones that gets a slightly early delivery)

 

[trouble747]

I'm not saying Apple's business plan is flawed...I'm saying their plan is not to be a niche phone market.

And the term I used was "higher end" . . . which in the view of many would include BMW, I would think? (And, of course, Apple has and does offer more than a single phone, at different price points--they just do not differ in aspects that some here would like).

 

[Frankied22]

How many comparisons do we need of phones to cars.

 

[Vegastouch]

What were you talking about then?

You must be using t-mobile i guess. Here in Canada whether you buy android or iPhone your contract price, length, and the phone price remains the same. I guess US carriers are still the odd ones.

Go back and read the post. I never said a thing about the iPhones though as i pointed out, the 4S is still more than a GS3 off contract and the 4S is older. I was talking about how much their products are as a whole. They are a lot more expensive compared to other computers that are equivelent or other products that are even more powerfull and i posted a link showing that.
I guy i replied to said they were expensive because they were more powerfull and built better than others and i countered that.

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If I felt that Apple's products were some sort of ripoff, I wouldn't buy them. Apparently you do, but you buy them anyway. To each their own.

I paid $400 for my 16GB 1st gen iPod. It was a good device but didnt like that it had no volume button on the side and no speaker, but, i did buy it and it was expensive IMO.

Paid $380 for my 16GB iPhone 2G on eBay after selling a 4GB iPhone on eBay for $315 that i paid $100 for.

Got the MacBook Pro from friends of mine that own a iPhone/Apple repair store in Sacramento. Paid $500 for it and it was in great shape, just needed a battery that cost $40 and then got it from them after they fixed it. I may get a couple more things from them as well for good deals. Dont know yet and im in no hurry for anything but i wont pay Apples inflated prices anymore. The iPod was it for me. Still have both the iPod and iPhone but may be looking to sell both soon.

But the repeated assertion that Apple is focused on "profit" is terribly obvious to the point of not needing mention. Of course they're focused on profit. If you're under the impression that other for-profit businesses that you interact with are (unlike Apple) looking to put their products in your hands at the lowest cost possible to you, you're delusional.

No you are. Apples profits are very high. Someone posted they make like 70% profit on the phones alone. Their profit margins are high on everything though.
How can you explain their Mac Pro costing $2500 while another i found has the same processor(intel) but more powerfull, a better graphics card, double the harddrive and more RAM and it costs $1370?

How much do you think Apples 7" tablet will cost? I bet it isnt going to cost $199 like the Nexus 7.

Who is delusional?

 

[trouble747]

No you are. Apples profits are very high. Someone posted they make like 70% profit on the phones alone. Their profit nargins are very high.

Did I say that Apple's profits were low? I explicitly stated "Of course they're focused on profit." Perhaps you misread my post...

How can you explain their Mac Pro costing $2500 while another i found has the same processor(intel) but more powerfull, a better graphics card, double the harddrive and more RAM and it costs $1370?

How much do you think Apples 7" tablet will cost? I bet it isnt going to cost $199 like the Nexus.

How can I explain it? Easy. People will pay those prices. If they didn't, then Apple wouldn't be sitting on a giant pile of cash.

Who is delusional?

Anyone who believes that, as a business, Apple is somehow unique in its pursuit of profit?

 

[Vegastouch]

Did I say that Apple's profits were low? I explicitly stated "Of course they're focused on profit." Perhaps you misread my post...

Nope, maybe you not getting that im saying i think profit is their biggest focus.
They will sell you iPhones without MMS, copy and paste and while you eat those up, two years later they will give you that. Maybe they will give you some things this time around that has been around on other phones for two years and you will eat those up too.
Sometimes i think Apple loyalists are just dumb. Cant fault Apple for making those big profits when the robots keep coming back for more.

How can I explain it? Easy. People will pay those prices. If they didn't, then Apple wouldn't be sitting on a giant pile of cash.



Anyone who believes that, as a business, Apple is somehow unique in its pursuit of profit?

Lets get something straight. Apple is popular and are what they are today because of the iPod and then the iPhone that followed. Before that, they were a company lagging behind trying to find their way while still not having their products affordable like the other guys. I dont know anyone that has a Mac Pro. Know a few that have a iMac, and a handful that have their laptops.

Why? Because they are expensive! I do like Apples stuff or i wouldnt have any of it but new, they are ridiculously priced. If you dont think so or dont care...great! Its your money.