I can't decide Xbox 360 Elite or a PS3

[MRU]

I give up!

I've explained how many times in this thread that the only way we will ever know how 360 or PS3 compare is if the same game is available on both consoles.

Somehow that concept is impossible for people to comprehend.

I am not knocking Uncharted at all. In fact i do think the game is beautiful to look at at, (although the gameplay in the shooting sections gets very repetitive) but the only way to use that game as a example of better hardware, would be if the 360 had a version too. Then you could compare acurately. Comparing it to any other 360 game is just plain ridiculous, especially games of a different genre, publisher etc.. If you can't understand that it is pointless doing so, then I do truly envy your ability to disregard common sense.

That's it... I've had enough with explaining very basic concepts. I shall waste no more energy on this thread.

 

[Mackilroy]

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I own both consoles and both games, and there is nothing on the 360 that can touch Uncharted in terms of detail and large environments. You show me anything on the 360 that comes close to, say, the jet ski ride up the rapids in uncharted and I might believe you.

There are many fine games out for both systems, and if you can afford it, you should probably get both (and maybe a Wii too), but the PS3 absolutely spanks the 360 in terms of pure power.

Agathon, I have a PS3, and I also have Uncharted. Also, I remember that part going up the rapids, and that isn't a very large environment. Extremely linear.

Yeah, see this is where you lost credibility in this discussion because you have either a) not read this entire thread, or b) selectively deleted portions from your memory, or c) chosen not to accept that this generation of consoles are about more than just playing games for many people. Oh well... have a nice day.

I think he understands that, but what he's saying is that a lot of PS3 fans seem to believe that Blu-ray and WiFi are necessary for gaming, when they're really not.

 

[2nyRiggz]

What about the upcoming GTA? Rockstar are only bringing out downloadable content on the 360 version. As if they've made their mind up which will provide the best experience already. I suppose loading a huge and detailed city onto 256mb of system ram isn't going to be an pleasant experience.

Dude you are fueling it.....This is not the reason why MS is getting DL content. From what I've read the dev team is having problems with both systems.

This constant bicker about uncharted & ME is useless...both games are beautiful and both have their problems. If you guys want to compare games lets wait until 08 when these games should be released at the same time(from what we are seeing now the PS3 and 360 display the same amount of power on 3rd party titles)


Bless

 

[GFLPraxis]

What about the upcoming GTA? Rockstar are only bringing out downloadable content on the 360 version. As if they've made their mind up which will provide the best experience already. I suppose loading a huge and detailed city onto 256mb of system ram isn't going to be an pleasant experience.

While the two chunks of RAM are physically in different locations, I'm pretty sure I recall reading that the PS3 did nothing to block developers from using the 256 MB of RAM on the GPU as system RAM or the 256 MB of system RAM as VRAM.

 

[diamond.g]

While the two chunks of RAM are physically in different locations, I'm pretty sure I recall reading that the PS3 did nothing to block developers from using the 256 MB of RAM on the GPU as system RAM or the 256 MB of system RAM as VRAM.

There is nothing to block it, but from my understanding using the VRAM as RAM is slower than the GPU using the RAM as VRAM.

 

[GFLPraxis]

There is nothing to block it, but from my understanding using the VRAM as RAM is slower than the GPU using the RAM as VRAM.

Is that a universal truth, or is it only true of PCs? If a device is engineered with that usage in mind....

After all, in the PC world we'd say that a computer with a GPU using shared memory is always slower than one with a GPU with on-board RAM (like the 360).

 

[Curren~Sea]

I give up!

I've explained how many times in this thread that the only way we will ever know how 360 or PS3 compare is if the same game is available on both consoles.

Somehow that concept is impossible for people to comprehend.

I am not knocking Uncharted at all. In fact i do think the game is beautiful to look at at, (although the gameplay in the shooting sections gets very repetitive) but the only way to use that game as a example of better hardware, would be if the 360 had a version too. Then you could compare acurately. Comparing it to any other 360 game is just plain ridiculous, especially games of a different genre, publisher etc.. If you can't understand that it is pointless doing so, then I do truly envy your ability to disregard common sense.

That's it... I've had enough with explaining very basic concepts. I shall waste no more energy on this thread.

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (PlayStation 3)
GAMESPOT EDITORS' REVIEW
Reviewed by: Greg Mueller
Reviewed on 3/23/07 Updated on: 3/27/07 Release date: 3/20/07
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion is an unequivocal role-playing masterpiece of epic proportions. After strong showings on the PC and Xbox 360, Oblivion is now available for the PlayStation 3, and it's still every bit a fantastic game. That said, if you've already played Oblivion, you won't find much of anything new in this version. The graphics are slightly better, the load times are shorter, and there is a bit of new content in the form of the Knights of the Nine add-on, which is available as a separate purchase on other platforms. However, if you own a PlayStation 3 but haven't played Oblivion yet, this is one game you won't want to miss.

http://reviews.cnet.com/playstation-3-games/the-elder-scrolls-iv/4505-9992_7-32088053.html

Heh, I hear ya mate and I do not want to fuel any fires, honestly. However, I am pointing out at least one case of the same game ported to different platforms.

 

[JackAxe]

Hmmm, PS3, or 360? I vote for the one that doesn't suck.

<]=)

 

[0098386]

... You do know the PS3 version was in development for an extra year, right?

Should be looking at games released around the same time. Orange Box and other EA games, Tony Hawk, Skate et al.

 

[zelmo]

... You do know the PS3 version was in development for an extra year, right?

Should be looking at games released around the same time. Orange Box and other EA games, Tony Hawk, Skate et al.

Agreed. Assassin's Creed was released on both the 360 and PS3 recently. By virtually all accounts the differences are negligible. Different developers with different resources to allocate to multiple platform development get differing results but, by and large, these two systems are fairly comparable [power-wise] to the average consumer.
Can't it just be about the games you want to play?

 

[zero2dash]

Yeah, see this is where you lost credibility in this discussion because you have either a) not read this entire thread, or b) selectively deleted portions from your memory, or c) chosen not to accept that this generation of consoles are about more than just playing games for many people. Oh well... have a nice day.

All 3 systems are designed to play games first and foremost, which is what the majority of people who buy them care about.

If you choose to ignore that fact then by all means - turn a blind eye.

You say "many" people and I can tell you that your mention of "many" is a highly subjective one.

Tack on all the added "bonus capabilities" you want, they're still marketed as 'video game systems'.
When you go to buy them in the store or online, where/in what section are they located?

Like MRU & 2ny, I too am done re-bumping this thread with replies. If the OP hasn't decided yet then he/she oughta go buy a sudoku book and forget about game consoles altogether.

FWIW I could care less about what you or anyone thinks about 'my credibility'.
This is a message board for crissakes, not a political debate (although some people on here take things out of hand from time to time and make them appear as such).

 

[Mackilroy]

Heh, I hear ya mate and I do not want to fuel any fires, honestly. However, I am pointing out at least one case of the same game ported to different platforms.

I might note that the GOTY version of Oblivion for Xbox 360 has all of the improvements that the devs brought to the PS3 version.

 

[Agathon]

Out of curiosity why does speed come into the equation?

Mass Effect, Alan Wake. Don't they have super huge expanses of land too? Oblivion was the obvious one, and a very early 360 game. Unchartered is big? I think the non-linearity of the level design sorta explains that one.

I dealt with Oblivion. It has huge environments but lousy animation of mobile units, limited mobility and so on. Even then the graphics are nowhere near Uncharted's.

Mass Effect I have been playing all day. The large environments are pretty bland, as are most of the graphics. They aren't even as good as those in GRAW. The one great thing about Mass Effect is the graphics in the conversation sequences. Those look absolutely amazing, and are the best thing about the game.

 

[MRU]

Mass Effect I have been playing all day. The large environments are pretty bland, as are most of the graphics. They aren't even as good as those in GRAW. The one great thing about Mass Effect is the graphics in the conversation sequences. Those look absolutely amazing, and are the best thing about the game.

That is utterly subjective opinion and still has little factual truth to the topic of PS3 or 360 power wise that you were asserting earlier.

I'm roughly 5 hours into Mass Effect, and happen to think that graphically the game is equally as impressive and atmospheric as Uncharted, though it has little bearing on the subject at hand irrespective.

My own opinion is equally as bunk as your own. It still does not prove one way or the other which machine is the more powerful which is the reason you brought both games into this topic in the first place.

Oh and as for 'the graphics of the conversation sections' are the best thing about the game ? WOW, you should be a reviewer at gamespot, that kind of in depth anaylsis would be at home there. ZeroPunctuation best watch out.....

 

[Antares]

I don't know why I keep being drawn to this tread. Why I keep clicking on it and reading it....I've been long of the opinion, "who cares?"

Lets hypothetically say that one system IS indeed better than the other. Then what? Why does it matter if one system is slightly better than the other? What do we get out of it? Is the other system going to suddenly go out of existence if one is declared "better?" Should owners of the "lesser system" feel ashamed to own that system or feel less as a person, or not a true gamer, for owning it? Isn't that more of a juvenile way of thinking? To me, there's far more important things in life to argue about and debate than nearly identical (performancewise) videogame systems. ....like why Mac's are better than PC's. Heh, Heh. But I hope you get my point. I actually think this thread entertains me more than anything.

 

[0098386]

^ True. Sony fans have been harping (along with me) on the "graphics don't matter" front for years. But now they might have the most powerful system - boy they want you to know it! Not being the strongest system didn't really affect PS1 and PS2, or the NES and SNES before it. Or the Wii now

I come back here for the lulz. It dies down only to get brought up again by another newbie who doesn't know their pixel from their polygamist and that's when the giggles set in.

 

[Curren~Sea]

Oh and as for 'the graphics of the conversation sections' are the best thing about the game ? WOW, you should be a reviewer at gamespot, that kind of in depth anaylsis would be at home there. ZeroPunctuation best watch out.....

We can all probably agree that nobody in this thread is a professional reviewer and that opinions expressed here are merely personal opinions.

Speaking for myself, the graphics I saw on Uncharted appealed to me more than Mass Effect. I found many areas of ME with very pixelated and choppy graphics. None of that is apparent to me in Uncharted. I'm glad you're having fun in ME - you should enjoy it because it is an impressive title from Bioware, a team known for high quality games. The reason I brought up the comparison is because they are two games that are designed to be platform specific and somewhat defining. They are supposed to represent what the platform can do. I think that using ME as platform defining for the 360 is not the best choice.

Although I brought up Oblivion, I agree that comparisons of games like Assasin's Creed and CoD4 are more appropriate for judging graphics/performance. I'm sure this part of the discussion is moot at this point.

Although some of us have contributed heavily to this thread and are clearly biased for our own well documented reasons, I think this still provides value to fellow MacRumor users who are interested in personal opinions from people who have experience with both systems.

 

[jnc]

PlayStation 3. The 360 is just a Windows gaming PC in disguise.

If your main gaming staple isn't "sci fi shooting" games, you're SOL with a 360

I owned one for about 3 days before realising there wasn't really anything for me on it. When you find yourself playing Geometry Wars exclusively, there's a problem.

 

[0098386]

Wow, I take it you had a 360 for the first 3 days? I'm not into sci-fi shooters, more of an action adventure player but I found a few nice titles on the 360. Plus it seems to be the RPG platform at the moment and the Live Arcade content is much more varied than the PSN (at this time).

As for the ME/Uncharted comparisons (again ), they are not concrete examples of what both systems are better at. Infact one might say it should be the other way around. What with Blue Ray having more storage capacity for a bigger and longer game (allegedly). Come to think of it if you consider the scope and linearity of Uncharted it's as if the developers were working on a PS2 or PSP game and merely upped the graphics.
I don't feel the PS3 has a showcase title yet. That might be what Africa is for (or MGS4 if it's more than just a higher polygon version of the last 3 games).

 

[72930]

A big thing to consider is how comfortable YOU are with the controllers - personally I much prefer the PS3's, but the 360 has rumble and the general layout makes it way better for FPS's.

I think the PS3 is awesome, but the limited amount of fun multiplayer games atm is stopping me get one...

 

[Spanky Deluxe]

PlayStation 3. The 360 is just a Windows gaming PC in disguise.

If your main gaming staple isn't "sci fi shooting" games, you're SOL with a 360

I owned one for about 3 days before realising there wasn't really anything for me on it. When you find yourself playing Geometry Wars exclusively, there's a problem.

That's a bit unfair now, isn't it? First of all its not a "PC" at all inside, its PPC not x86. Secondly it has the biggest games catalogue out of the three formats - there's something for everyone there, every single kind of game you'd want.

 

[spyker3292]

Wow this thread is long... and pointless. It all depends on what games you want...

 

[diamond.g]

We can all probably agree that nobody in this thread is a professional reviewer and that opinions expressed here are merely personal opinions.

Speaking for myself, the graphics I saw on Uncharted appealed to me more than Mass Effect. I found many areas of ME with very pixelated and choppy graphics. None of that is apparent to me in Uncharted. I'm glad you're having fun in ME - you should enjoy it because it is an impressive title from Bioware, a team known for high quality games. The reason I brought up the comparison is because they are two games that are designed to be platform specific and somewhat defining. They are supposed to represent what the platform can do. I think that using ME as platform defining for the 360 is not the best choice.

Although I brought up Oblivion, I agree that comparisons of games like Assasin's Creed and CoD4 are more appropriate for judging graphics/performance. I'm sure this part of the discussion is moot at this point.

Although some of us have contributed heavily to this thread and are clearly biased for our own well documented reasons, I think this still provides value to fellow MacRumor users who are interested in personal opinions from people who have experience with both systems.

ME uses UE3 so it is a poor choice for a exclusive selection. The engine wasn't ground designed for the 360 like Uncharted is for the PS3.

As far as I know none of the currently released games have engines ground up for the 360.

 

[jnc]

That's a bit unfair now, isn't it? First of all its not a "PC" at all inside, its PPC not x86. Secondly it has the biggest games catalogue out of the three formats - there's something for everyone there, every single kind of game you'd want.

Uhh... find me the 360's Super Mario Galaxy or Ratchet and Clank. It's been out a year longer than the competition, so no excuse, that should be easy!

Find me the 360's Heavenly Sword, Mario Party, Singstar, Tekken, Zelda. I could go on.

PS3's exclusive horizon - Home, Echochrome, Little Big Planet, Tekken forgotthenumber, Metal Gear Solid 4, Killzone 2... Resistance 2? God of War 3?

360's exclusive horizon - Banjo 3, Fable 2 and uhh. Gears of War 2? hmm. Mass Effect 2? Halo: Episode One? Bioshock 2?

Wii's exclusive horizon - No More Heroes, Wii Fit, Disaster, Super Smash Bros Brawl, NiGHTS 2, Super Mario Kart, Geometry Wars Galaxies, Trauma Center 2... Pilotwings? WaveRace? Starfox? Kid Icarus? 1080?

360's catalogue consists of sci fi shooters and weak Rare titles. Every other kind of title worth playing is either non-exclusive third party and can be found on PS3(Rock Band, COD4, Stranglehold, PES 08, Assassin's Creed, the upcoming GTA4, Devil May Cry 4, Resident Evil 5), or does not exist. Feel free to prove me wrong!

Note: I own a Wii. But for the "powerhouse" consoles, PS3 looks like the better bet just on games available and to come, let alone the features of the console itself.

 

[Anarchy99]

Uhh... find me the 360's Super Mario Galaxy or Ratchet and Clank. It's been out a year longer than the competition, so no excuse, that should be easy!

Find me the 360's Heavenly Sword, Mario Party, Singstar, Tekken, Zelda. I could go on.

PS3's exclusive horizon - Home, Echochrome, Little Big Planet, Tekken forgotthenumber, Metal Gear Solid 4, Killzone 2... Resistance 2? God of War 3?

360's exclusive horizon - Banjo 3, Fable 2 and uhh. Gears of War 2? hmm. Mass Effect 2? Halo: Episode One? Bioshock 2?

Wii's exclusive horizon - No More Heroes, Wii Fit, Disaster, Super Smash Bros Brawl, NiGHTS 2, Super Mario Kart, Geometry Wars Galaxies, Trauma Center 2... Pilotwings? WaveRace? Starfox? Kid Icarus? 1080?

360's catalogue consists of sci fi shooters and weak Rare titles. Every other kind of title worth playing is either non-exclusive third party and can be found on PS3(Rock Band, COD4, Stranglehold, PES 08, Assassin's Creed, the upcoming GTA4, Devil May Cry 4, Resident Evil 5), or does not exist. Feel free to prove me wrong!

Note: I own a Wii. But for the "powerhouse" consoles, PS3 looks like the better bet just on games available and to come, let alone the features of the console itself.

a quick google search brought up this list of 360 and pc/360 exclusives for 2008



• Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures
• Alan Wake *
• Alive
• All Points Bulletin
• Banjo-Kazooie 3 *
• Castle Wolfenstein
• Chrome 2
• Command & Conquer 3: Kane's Wrath
• Cry On
• Croteam Project [untitled]
• Dark Messiah of Might and Magic
• Dead Island
• Dead or Alive Code: Cronus
• Destineer Spy Project [untitled]
• Dawn of Fantasy
• Fable 2 *
• Far East of Eden Ziria
• GTR
• Halo Wars *
• Huxley *
• Infinite Undiscovery
• Lost Odyssey
• Left 4 Dead
• Marvel MMO
• Ninja Gaiden 2
• Postal III
• Precursors
• Splinter Cell: Conviction
• Strike Force Red Cell
• Sacred 2: Fallen Angel
• The Secret World
• Total Overdose 2
• Theseis
• The Shadow of Aten
• Too Human *
• Universe At War: Earth Assault
• Voodoo Nights
• Warhound
• Warhammer: Battle March
• World in conflict


all this baseless arguing doesn't help the discussion
jnc your point it invalid and the discussion is moot
why do these discussions always turn in to fanboy brawls


that being said a quick search will more then likely bring up promising results for the wii and ps3 as well
the thing i most agree with in here and so far the only real logic is MacRumorUser's point about comparing the same game on both hardware would determine performance....
but even then it can depend on optimization towards one or the other

the debate comes down to personal preference