I can't decide Xbox 360 Elite or a PS3

[0098386]

those are good games....but so is resistance fall of man (beats all of those IMO)

LOL

all games are better on a console that doesnt break 33% of the time.

How about all games are better with integrated online support, custom soundtracks in any game, messaging ingame etc...
The PS3 needs an update to fix this ASAP.

not to mention more advanced consoles with more potential.

I think you're getting things mixed up here.
The 360 CPU is better at certain tasks, the PS3 CPU also has benefits and cons. One isn't better than the other.
The 360 GPU I believe is also better than the PS3's.
The PS3 has 512mb split 256/256 between system and GPU. The 360 has 512 for system and 10mb of ultra fast eDRAM for the GPU.

The 360 also has, as mentioned, a better online system and the larger market share theoretically means more people playing online. And backwards compatibility, but that doesn't effect modern games.

The PS3's benefit is more storage capacity.

 

[Curren~Sea]

The PS3 is a gaming console, you know, to play games with. If I buy the PS3 now, it means I want to play games on it now. This whole "future-games-for-PS3" mantra is hilarious. As it currently stands, the 360 has an excellent huge library of games NOW and the PS3 has very few. What makes a game console is its games, not because of looking cooler or packing XYZ features.

No argument that the 360 has more games out right now. But what part of point number four that you quoted was unclear? I guess I just don't understand why you felt compelled to post. Perhaps it's because of the, "Future... PS3... blah blah..." stuff was bugging you, but that was relevant a year ago. Not Dec 2007. Unless a person is gaming 5+ hours every day I don't see how they'll run out of awesome games to play on the PS3. And if a person is gaming 5+ hours every day then there is another whole issue to deal with.

 

[Curren~Sea]

LOL

I don't doubt what you and others have said about the online stuff. However, my experience with CoD4 online was very fast and easy and fun. I'm looking forward to picking up Warhawk and seeing how that goes. I've heard that UT3 is pretty good. My guess is this is in a large part up to the game developer.

As for graphics, power, etc. Doesn't really matter. If what you see is gorgeous and it loads fast then the hardware is irrelevant. They say that blu-ray can hold more but HD can be double sided so it's kind of moot until games are built that exceed these limits. All I know is that of the few games I've played (and I'll concede that I don't have a huge library) the "latest and greatest" PS3 titles looked much better and were smoother than the "latest and greatest" 360 titles. Again, this is just my opinion from someone who has had both systems.

 

[Mackilroy]

those are good games....but so is resistance fall of man (beats all of those IMO)

all games are better on a console that doesnt break 33% of the time.

not to mention more advanced consoles with more potential.

Are you making a joke, or are you serious? (kidding, I know you're serious, but you might want to back up your statements instead of using hyperbole and opinion)

All I know is that of the few games I've played (and I'll concede that I don't have a huge library) the "latest and greatest" PS3 titles looked much better and were smoother than the "latest and greatest" 360 titles. Again, this is just my opinion from someone who has had both systems.

Funny, I own both consoles and my experience has been the exact opposite. But this is all anecdotal, no?

 

[GFLPraxis]

How about all games are better with integrated online support, custom soundtracks in any game, messaging ingame etc...

How about all games are better when you don't have to pay money for those features?

 

[Symtex]

How about all games are better when you don't have to pay money for those features?

The day Sony will offer the same as Xbox live on PSN I will agree with you. I am awaiting for HOME like a kid in a candy store.

 

[JackAxe]

The 360 GPU I believe is also better than the PS3's.

I just had to comment on this.

The PS3 RSX is similar to a 7800GTX, if even that, from what I've read. The 360 is basically using a 128 bit variant of a r500, somewhat similar to a X1600XT, but with some added punch.

Unlike the 360's CPU, the PS3's Cell can take on tasks that normally only a GPU would handle, so can assist the PS3's GPU in the purdy department. But the 360's GPU was designed to work with its CPU for extra funky action.

So which one is better?


<]=)

 

[Curren~Sea]

Funny, I own both consoles and my experience has been the exact opposite. But this is all anecdotal, no?

It might be somewhat subjective, yes. It probably also depends on what we're comparing. In my example I judged the graphics of Uncharted to be superior to Mass Effect. I don't think this comparison is subjective. All you have to do is see the character faces to know that ME is very pixelated with many item polygons that are out of place. Uncharted on the other hand looks very natural. Additionally, ME has performance issues that manifest themselves in stuttering and video lag. Uncharted does not have any lag that I have experienced. I also played Ace Combat on the 360 and it looks great. CoD4 on the PS3 looks amazing. Bottom line, however, is there probably is not a significant difference in performance between the two systems. So, performance should not be a factor in the decision making process.

 

[flopticalcube]

For me the choice was decided by other people. Most of my children's friends already have a 360 and like to play online with each other so a PS3 was not on the cards. The 360 had a full year's advantage to build up the player base on Live and that inertia will be hard to beat, at least amongst my kids' friends.

 

[kjr39]

So which one is better?

Judging from this thread, whatever one the poster owns...

 

[GFLPraxis]

The day Sony will offer the same as Xbox live on PSN I will agree with you. I am awaiting for HOME like a kid in a candy store.

TBH I'd rather go without some of those features than pay; messaging in any game and custom soundtracks in any game is not worth the cost of a game per year for me.

 

[2nyRiggz]

And backwards compatibility

LOL....

We all have different experience with each console dont we...I've had the wii & 360(twice) burn out on me....never the PS2,3,1. Luck of the ol draw.

Yes Live(5 years old service) is better than PSN(1 year) but by all means the PSN is still enjoyable...My main concern is that I can play on lag free servers and its been great so far....I own all the top online multiplayers on the PS3 and have experience nothing but hours of fun.

I'm sure Sony is getting around to all the in-game XMB messaging music stuff and I believe in time things will be up to par.

Once again live is superior in features but PSN is feeling its way through.


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[Antares]

It's always nice to have options but I don't like the concept of "Custom Soundtracks...." I don't get why it's a draw to people. I mean, when I was a kid, I remember friends turning down the music on the tv and cranking up the stereo when we would be playing games at their place. That always annoyed me. And I can sometimes understand this in the days when games were limited to "poor music quality." But not now. Not when music can be composed for a game with all the depth and quality as music for a film. When you have the ability to remove or replace in-game music, you dilute the experience. In fact, you minimize the art and importance of the game, as a whole. A game should be taken as the sum of it's parts. Not just the graphics and play but also the music. In kind, I also never like it when developers "cop-out" and put licensed music into a game (like the Prince of Persia game that had Godsmack in it...or whatever band it was). I don't know where I'm going with this...but when I see "custom soundtracks" mentioned, it really annoys me.

Xbox Live seems pretty good. But, to me, it doesn't justify the cost. If I want to play online, I want to simply have a vehicle to play friends or find strangers to play. That's it. I don't really care about all of the other stuff that Live offers. This is why PSN currently appeals to me more. I think that there should be a version of Live that offers online play for free. Then, offer a Platinum version of Live that has all that extra junk (useless to me but obviously wanted by others) for a price. Essentially, I don't want to pay for something on a console that I can get on a computer for free. That's why I prefer Sony and Nintendo's free model as opposed to Microsoft's "wringing people's neck for money" online model. Downloadable game content is a whole different topic which I'm not going to rant about right now....

 

[0098386]

Judging from this thread, whatever one the poster owns...

Not really. I'm 360-less now and have a Wii, PS3, DS and (soon) PSP. But I prefer the 360 at this stage. Or I'd recommend them since I've played all the games I want and now waiting to see which system offers me the best GTA IV experience.

And yes, I LOLLED when Sony took out the b/c completely in Europe. What a move!

 

[Spanky Deluxe]

Judging from this thread, whatever one the poster owns...

I'll disagree with that. I own a PS3 and imo its pretty sucky as a gaming machine. Its clunky to use and I haven't been impressed with the games. As a gaming machine I'd consider the Xbox 360 a much better piece of kit. However, the Wii is a hell of a lot more fun than either imo.

 

[Mackilroy]

It might be somewhat subjective, yes. It probably also depends on what we're comparing. In my example I judged the graphics of Uncharted to be superior to Mass Effect. I don't think this comparison is subjective. All you have to do is see the character faces to know that ME is very pixelated with many item polygons that are out of place. Uncharted on the other hand looks very natural. Additionally, ME has performance issues that manifest themselves in stuttering and video lag.

We must be using different copies of Mass Effect. When I play Uncharted it looks far more pixelated than Mass Effect does. Still looks good, but not quite as good. And they both have good performance for me - as in, no stuttering, no lag. *shrugs*

 

[MRU]

Xbox Live seems pretty good. But, to me, it doesn't justify the cost. If I want to play online, I want to simply have a vehicle to play friends or find strangers to play. That's it. I don't really care about all of the other stuff that Live offers. This is why PSN currently appeals to me more. I think that there should be a version of Live that offers online play for free. Then, offer a Platinum version of Live that has all that extra junk (useless to me but obviously wanted by others) for a price. Essentially, I don't want to pay for something on a console that I can get on a computer for free. That's why I prefer Sony and Nintendo's free model as opposed to Microsoft's "wringing people's neck for money" online model. Downloadable game content is a whole different topic which I'm not going to rant about right now....

$50 is hardly a mammoth amount, and it provides a great service, which regardless of whether you prefer it to be free or not, is a lot better than both PSN and Wii model.

You are given choices to which kind of environment you wish to game in. If you want to b*tch talk, and be ultra competative - you can do so in the underground section. If you want a more friendly atmosphere, you can choose the family section (which is what I have) and it does work.

You are given responsibility in the form of your REP system, which helps to promote good behaviour. It works to some extent, but could be improved.

Your entire dash is part of live, messaging in game can be helpful. Going to "private chat" via the dash in game is a great sneaky feature and can help your side to victory, especially if you have died but want to pass on help to a comrade who is still playing.

Being able to play a game, see that my friend has just come online, and then send them a request to come and play a game with me. No messing around, they accept the request and jump straight into your lobby. A simple but very practical thing like that is still not feasible on PSN or Wii yet.

Voice chat that works in all games, something which is still screwed up in a lot of PSN games, including the latest UT3. Wii doesn't even have it yet does it ?

Basically LIVE makes gaming online work. There is no messing about. It works intuitively and exactly as it should.

Having all three consoles, I can safely say regardless of the extra cost, LIVE is still the superior online component of all the three.

 

[Compile 'em all]

It might be somewhat subjective, yes. It probably also depends on what we're comparing. In my example I judged the graphics of Uncharted to be superior to Mass Effect.

How on earth are you comparing two DIFFERENT games on two different game consoles?!!

 

[MRU]

How on earth are you comparing two DIFFERENT games on two different game consoles?!!

It's is a little strange, like comparing a honeydew melon to a turnip, and where in I found the honeydew to have a much sweeter taste, when in combination with other ingredients on a plate the turnip provided an attractive side dish.

WHAT THE HELL AM I TALKING ABOUT ?

Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!

Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? Why would a poster compare two utterly different games and hold them as shining examples of power ? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this 360 Elite or PS3 thread? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this thread! It does not make sense!

Look at me. I'm a graphic designer supposedly at work, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense!

 

[2nyRiggz]

^But you're just strange so its expected from you



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[0098386]

Lol

To play devils advocate (a rubbish game) - it's possible to compare 2 games like that. You just have to take into account the linearity of the level design (non-linear takes up much more memory in general), the draw distance, use of skyboxes in lieu of volumetric stuff (like Crysis). It's how you can get a game like GoW look all spectacular and explosiony whereas Oblivion and GTA look much less impressive.

I haven't played Mass Effect yet so I can't say. But if Unchartered is grand and non-linear then it could be a fair comparison.

 

[diamond.g]

Based on Novembers NPD the 360 is where it's at (software)... The lil Wii is a juggernaught.

 

[zero2dash]

So you had a perfectly working 360 repaired?

And it truly is luck of the draw. My brother has a PS1 from 8-9 years ago that works as well as it did the day he got it.

Ok let me rephrase that -
aside from the 1 wk my 360 was getting repaired, I have had 0 problems and I love the system. Hell even when it RoD'd I still loved the system and I still do because I have enjoyed it the most (not only lately but it has been the best system to me, in my experiences, over the last few years).

hehe, your silly. 33% failure rate....no blu-ray, no wi-fi, micro$oft?

ps3 obvioulsy

You know what? The fact that you spell Microsoft with a dollar sign just threw your whole opinion out the window IMO. If you're "silly" enough to do childish BS like that, then I refuse to listen to anything else you say.

But please come back and tell me how Blu-Ray and WiFi are requirements of playing a video game. Or don't, because they're not.

If you want to be a fanboy be a fanboy on your own time and on forums where people actually care about such juvenile nonsense.

And BTW ~ if you're really "silly" enough to think that $ony isn't in it to get their own money either then you've got a whole slew of other problems. (see what I did there? ya it was great wasn't it )

 

[0098386]

Nint£ndo? Doesn't really work does it. It's hard to call them M$ when they're paying billions of them $'s to fix these 360's.

diamond.g - There's no point in posting NDP data anymore. You can predict the order in which the systems will be.

Btw my PSP will be here on the 21st. THE TWENTY FIRST damn Paypal and it's "clearing".

 

[Mackilroy]

I haven't played Mass Effect yet so I can't say. But if Unchartered is grand and non-linear then it could be a fair comparison.

Uncharted is far more linear than Mass Effect, by far. It's also a rather smaller scale, too.