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I can't stand people!!!

.eric said:
Why follow an unjust law?
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If you choose to pick and choose which laws you select to obey, then I assume that you won't object if you are charged for breaking those laws and pay any associated penalties.

Civli disobedience has a long and respected history...Gandhi, King, and others...all of whom accepted incarceration as part of the consequences of choosing to disobey laws they considered unjust.
 
Shrink said:
If you choose to pick and choose which laws you select to obey, then I assume that you won't object if you are charged for breaking those laws and pay any associated penalties.

Civli disobedience has a long and respected history...Gandhi, King, and others...all of whom accepted incarceration as part of the consequences of choosing to disobey laws they considered unjust.
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I would pay and be charged I guess, but only as a matter of being forced to. Gandi and MLK didn't have a choice in the matter, there was not acceptance or rejection.

But the underlying problem is that there are no viable alternatives. Write your congressman is not a viable alternative. It's plainly been demonstrated that such acts do not work. Telling somebody to run for office doesn't either.
 
Shrink said:
I think you are partially correct, but there are other factors effecting fuel consumption. The car's aerodynamics (coefficient of drag), the roll efficiency of your tires, and other stuff (I can't think of the other stuff!:eek:)You said that once you reach top gear, cruising at the slowest speed in that gear maximizes mileage...but in my car, my top gear is 6th, and cruising at 4,000 rpms (8,000 rpm red line) means I'm going about 110-115 mph or more. Some problem with your theory! :p

There is research (no source, I'm too lazy, so take this for what it's worth) indicating that speed differential in traffic is a more important factor in accidents than speed per se. That is, if traffic is moving at 65-70 mph, and you're going 55 mph, you represent a risk factor. If traffic is going 60 mph, and you're going 75, you represent the risk factor.
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You've confused me. Are you saying your car is most efficient in 6th gear (what kind of car?) at 4000 rpm (110 mph)? I said the lower rpm would be more efficient, which I assume if you are in 6th you are at something less than 110 mph. ;)
 
dejo said:
I prefer the signs that say "Keep right except to pass". Doesn't allow drivers to out of "Well, I'm not slower traffic. I'm doing the speed limit."
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Agreed, we actually had a debate at work about this. One guy came in one day and complained about someone who wouldn't move out of the passing lane on I-90 in NY. I know exactly where he was talking about and some other guy was saying if the guy wasn't going under the speed limit he doesn't have to move over. I told him that there are at least a few signs on that road that say "keep right except to pass", and it's a state law. He said he drives that area of the road 5 days a week and there aren't any signs.

Well the next time I drove that way within the 30 mile span that my co-worker drives there were 5 "keep right except to pass" signs. I guess people just don't even see the signs.

Get one of these signs and a few people will read it.

http://leftlanedrivers.org/
 
.eric said:
Sorry. Not a good enough reason.
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So are you going to go out and shoot someone dead because murder being against the law "isn't a good enough reason"?


When he saw the guy coming up behind him at that speed he should have just got behind the truck until the other guy passed. Sitting in the lane creates a dangerous situation.

Or, he should have actually been trying to pass the truck. If he's going 70 on a 55 mph road, and it takes that long to pass the truck, he's not doing it right.
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The only person creating the dangerous situation is the asshat weaving in and out of lanes going 100.

If he's passing the truck, he's passing the truck. The truck was probably going 60-65 in the right lane anyways... and like he said, it was an oversized 18 wheeler. Those can take a few seconds to pass if you don't want to gun it and do 80.

.eric said:
But the underlying problem is that there are no viable alternatives. Write your congressman is not a viable alternative. It's plainly been demonstrated that such acts do not work. Telling somebody to run for office doesn't either.
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Huh, decriminalized marijuana in my state was passed because people got sick of the old law and started a public referendum to change it. They collected signatures, got it on the ballet, and it passed. That's demonstrated proof right there. Nothing stopping you from doing that in your state for speed limits other than laziness.

Stop trying to excuse breaking the law.
 
rei101 said:
Reckless?

In Venezuela (my home country)...
We do not have highway patrol.
We do not have speed limit perce... anybody can do what ever they want literally.
When the light is green you can keep going carefully BECAUSE if you stop at the red light you will be robbed. That means that Red Light meas: keep going but carefully, and Green Light means: keep going but at you own risk.

THAT is recklessness.

Oh... forgot to mention...

When you are in the traffic, the motorcyclist pass by between cars at all speed. If you want to change lines, they will kick your mirrors. They go at 50 miles per hour at least between cars and making noises with their horns. Is not like in the US that a motorcyclist has to be behind a car, forget about it.

And do not even think about parking your motorcycle in the spot for one car... it will be ran over even by the police! You go and park your motorcycle on the sidewalk or at the designated space.
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Actually many states in America allow lane splitting(moving between cars). My state doesn't, but it's rarely enforced. It's actually safer to lane split vs riding behind traffic, especially at highway speeds. This prevents someone who might be tailgating hitting you from behind into a car in front of you, making you the middle of a car sandwich. Accidents from between cars are less fatal than being in front and back of cars.
 
Huntn said:
You've confused me. Are you saying your car is most efficient in 6th gear (what kind of car?) at 4000 rpm (110 mph)? I said the lower rpm would be more efficient, which I assume if you are in 6th you are at something less than 110 mph. ;)
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You have to back to the original post to see the quote to which I was responding for it to make sense...maybe.:p

Usually, around town, I'm in 3rd, and on the highway, in 5th at about 3600 to 3800. I never get to 6th, since in 5th a 4000 rpms I'm going 90.
 
yg17 said:
Is "Nobody wants to die because you think the interstate is the Nurburgring" a good enough reason?

I bet you also send text messages while speeding, don't you?
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Of course. I'm a better driver and and able to do that.

The first part of your post doesn't apply.

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zioxide said:
So are you going to go out and shoot someone dead because murder being against the law "isn't a good enough reason"?




The only person creating the dangerous situation is the asshat weaving in and out of lanes going 100.

If he's passing the truck, he's passing the truck. The truck was probably going 60-65 in the right lane anyways... and like he said, it was an oversized 18 wheeler. Those can take a few seconds to pass if you don't want to gun it and do 80.



Huh, decriminalized marijuana in my state was passed because people got sick of the old law and started a public referendum to change it. They collected signatures, got it on the ballet, and it passed. That's demonstrated proof right there. Nothing stopping you from doing that in your state for speed limits other than laziness.

Stop trying to excuse breaking the law.
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No I'm not going to shoot somebody. Why would I do that?

While the person driving 100 may be creating a dangerous situation, the OP intentionally made it worse by not getting out of the way like they should have.

If he's passing the truck he needs to do it quickly or not at all. Otherwise he's impeding traffic which is very dangerous.

Your state may have decriminalized it, but it's an isolated case of success and even then not fully successful. "Write your rep" is not a viable option these days.
 
Anyway, while the speed limit is law it doesn't mean the person that breaks it is unsafe and the person following it is being safe. If the speed limit is 55 MPH, but the speed of traffic is 70 MPH the few doing 55 MPH is the danger on the road. Yes, the one idiot doing 55 MPH in the left lane is following the law. But, everyone around him are doing 70 MPH. Now they have to weave by him, etc and that creates an unsafe situation because people will end up cutting people off, road rage, etc. Want to do 55 MPH, do it in the right lane.

Now if the speed of traffic is 70 MPH and there is some nutcase going 90 MPH+, then the 90 MPH+ idiot is the danger on the road.

So while the OP was speeding by definition of the law, he was passing a truck. The idiot doing "100 MPH+" was the unsafe and reckless idiot. Ignoring the fact he was going quite a bit faster than the speed of traffic, he should have slowed down and waited until the OP passed the truck. If the OP was an idiot and stayed in the left lane, then the reckless idiot could go around him in a safe manner.
 
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Speed limits are supposed to allow for safe driving, taking into account the type of road, number of access points, and similar factors, as well as applicable laws. However, they tend to be conservative, with the expectation that some people will always go faster than the posted limit, as well as the fact that some drivers don't take weather and other conditions into account.

It's not uncommon for drivers, particularly younger ones, to overestimate their ability to deal with unanticipated events such as lane incursions, sudden stops by cars ahead, road debris, and so on. I've tried to teach my kids to expect the unexpected and stay aware.

If conditions are safe, I drive no more than 5-10 MPH above the limit, using the left lane to pass.
 
Muscle Master said:
The nerve

First off all.. I'm not policing anything, secondly there's nothing slow about 70 mph at all I'm just freaking driving!!! Secondly how the hell do you yield to slower traffic when you don't see the morons coming!!! Answer me that!

The Ford Edge I mention in my op was not behind me.. It was a Honda civic that was a car length behind me, the trick had to be swerving in and out lanes 5 cars back before she even got to me cause once she was a head of me.. She was ghost! but that besides the point

If I'm doing 70 mph which is 15 over the limit anyway.. I don't have to yield to jack ****!! Especially if you don't see them coming
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Dmac77 is that you? Silly goose!
Hey look guy, the nerve of you to believe that you don't have to yield to jack. You DO have to yield and your obvious reckless driving suggests that you need to slow the **** down. You clearly have ZERO skill in driving at higher speeds if you feel as though yielding is optional because you don't see them coming. You don't see them coming because you're unable to handle a car at a higher than posted speed and look for what is around you. I posted yesterday and I'll write it again, true failure.

I don't give two craps about your speeding. I care about people who speed who absolutely cannot handle the speed while being aware of what is around you and what will potentially cause a threat. My guess is when someone says they can't stand people, they're pretty much the problem.
 
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Shrink said:
You have to back to the original post to see the quote to which I was responding for it to make sense...maybe.:p

Usually, around town, I'm in 3rd, and on the highway, in 5th at about 3600 to 3800. I never get to 6th, since in 5th a 4000 rpms I'm going 90.
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Ok, what kind of expensive car is this? :p
 
Huntn said:
Of course it had to be designed for the autobahn, not for U.S. driving. But you are not in 6th gear when driving at 70 mph?
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It would be lugging the engine at about 2,000 rpm doing 70 in 6th...bad for the engine, and no particular mileage advantage. At 70 mph, I'm in 4th, turning about 4200 rpm, with an 8,000 rpm redline.
 
e²Studios said:
Have you ever stopped to think that you not yielding to faster traffic isn't also putting people at risk? Maybe the driver that was going "100" wouldn't have had to make an evasive maneuver to get around you if you had just merged right and let him pass. It's not your job to police the roads and decide who is going too fast and who is within "safe" limits, leave the policing to the police and merge to the right when you have a car approaching you at a faster speed.

I tend to drive 75-85 in the passing lane #1 lane when traffic/conditions allows it, while I am usually patient enough to wait for some dimwit to merge over while holding up a line of cars behind them I have seen other less patient drivers make outrageously stupid moves to get around them. While I don't think the person that does stupid moves to get around that car is in the right I do think part of the blame falls on the person that refuses to move out of the #1 lane because they have some superiority complex or thinks its their job to police the highways.

It's a big peeve of mine on the receiving end of your BS driving habits, I've seen 10 + cars get legally and safely passed a slow driver in the #1 (passing) lane only to have the driver not get a clue and stay in the lane. Those signs that say "Slower traffic merge right" are just as much for yours and others safety as the speed limit signs you're so fixated on. Learn to share the road and realize that its not your job to police it and just move the heck over next time a car is quickly approaching you in the fast/passing lane...
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Read the post. He had JUST passed a truck. There was NO time to do anything evasive. And if he was already going 70+, why should he have to move out of the way for someone going 80 while he is in the MIDDLE lane?
 
I was completely against automated ticketing, like red light cameras, until I read this thread. Now I'm not so sure it is a bad idea. Spike strips also sound like a good tool to bring some of you back to the safe posted speed limit. They might give the adrenaline rush a few of you seem to be needing.

It is not an arbitrary number that makes a speed limit safe. It is that everybody is going the same speed that makes it safe.
 
glutenenvy said:
It is not an arbitrary number that makes a speed limit safe. It is that everybody is going the same speed that makes it safe.
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But, when most of the traffic is doing 70 MPH the people doing the speed limit are the unsafe drivers.

Instead of setting an arbitrary speed limit, have the speed limit reflect the speed of traffic. That will get the people who follow the limit to speed up. I know the worry here when the speed limit on I-95 was upped to I believe 70 MPH( either 65 or 70 can't remember at the moment), it would cause the speeders who were going about 70-80 MPH already would go to 80-90 MPH. No such thing happened. Most of the traffic stuck to the 70-80 MPH range.
 
jbachandouris said:
Read the post. He had JUST passed a truck. There was NO time to do anything evasive. And if he was already going 70+, why should he have to move out of the way for someone going 80 while he is in the MIDDLE lane?
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If the Ford Edge had enough room to pass the OP on the right, he had enough room to switch to the right /middle lane.
 
heehee said:
If the Ford Edge had enough room to pass the OP on the right, he had enough room to switch to the right /middle lane.
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It sounds like he was about to pass a semi when the Edge cut him off. That sounds like the Edge driver barely had room to pass before the Edge driver would have hit the trailer....

The problem is we were not there and people here have put the OP on the defensive because they are self-righteous people going after the OP for going above the speed limit when sorry that was irrelevant. Cause he could have been going 55 MPH and the same situation could have happened.

Though the OP's attitude toward going above the limit is poor as well. It doesn't matter that he was already going above the limit. If you see faster traffic behind you, he should yield and move over. The attitude of, " I'm already going above the speed limit, I shouldn't have to yield for even faster traffic" is just as dangerous as the idiot in the left lane going 55 MPH thinking, " I am going the speed limit so I am not in the wrong."
 
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