I do not understand the 'notch' angst at all.

[Rafterman]

My concern isn't the notch as a design choice, but a concern as to how different developers will address using it. One of the good things about iOS (though some might disagree) is the OS's consistency in design. But now some apps will adjust to the notch in different ways and you will have apps looking different and non-consistent. Throw in older apps that won't get the resolution upgrade, and you will have some apps using the notch for info, some using it for full display, some not using it at all and low res apps not even filling the screen.

At least for a while, its going to be a mess. And what happens next year? Will the notch be there again? More app fixing needed? The next couple of iPhone years will be rocky for app developers.

 

[iSayBoourns]

My concern isn't the notch as a design choice, but a concern as to how different developers will address using it. One of the good things about iOS (though some might disagree) is the OS's consistency in design. But now some apps will adjust to the notch in different ways and you will have apps looking different and non-consistent. Throw in older apps that won't get the resolution upgrade, and you will have some apps using the notch for info, some using it for full display, some not using it at all and low res apps not even filling the screen.

At least for a while, its going to be a mess. And what happens next year? Will the notch be there again? More app fixing needed? The next couple of iPhone years will be rocky for app developers.

UIKit handles most of the work for app developers. If they’ve made their app properly to begin with then they really won’t have to do anything to their app for it to “adjust” to the ears. Using proper API’s and such, that Apple has had in place for many years, will do the work for them.

 

[eyeseeyou]

Apple themselves even state the screen is 5.85 before corners. So your math is dead on.
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Considering the 5.8” measurement includes the notch(cameras + sensors) and is essentially there as a dedicated/reserved space for the cameras and sensors, “all-screen” is not an accurate description.

 

[viperGTS]

Whether you see a notch or ears IMO version 1 is a “cleaner” design especially since the optimal user experience is to not have any media flow into the “ears”. Version 1 visually directs the user to pay attention to everything below the notch. The 2nd version makes the notch stick out like a widows peak.

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I think this is something they can still address in a software update, and I hope they change it to look like the one on the left.

 

[Diorama]

I think this is something they can still address in a software update, and I hope they change it to look like the one on the left.

Why don’t you just cut out the middle man and buy an LG?

 

[Applejuiced]

Who really cares about VR stuff?
We dont see rectangular but we see with pieces/notches taken out? lol
Good thing we're passed the limitations of rectangular screens and will go to the groundbreaking innovation
of notched screens.

as if VR stuff is going to be rectangular

if it is, it’s going to be bad..
we don’t see rectangular..
things have been rectangular up until now due to technological limitations.

not because rectangles equate to best viewing experience.

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and stretching here but— even with our eyes, you see a notch... your nose..
it’s not an issue though as your brain can fully adapt

 

[flat five]

Who really cares about VR stuff?

i do..
even more so.. AR stuff.. that won't be happening with rectangles either

We dont see rectangular but we see with pieces/notches taken out? lol
Good thing we're passed the limitations of rectangular screens and will go to the groundbreaking innovation
of notched screens.

not really sure if you should be taking all of what i'm saying as a defensive stance for Apple and/or the design of the iPhone X screen..

but, considering the forum & thread i'm posting in, i'll let it slide
..but i am speaking from a less zoomed perspective and talking more about design in general.. not that the way i've written so far makes this clear.

i will say this though -- you like rectangle screens because that's what you've seen in the past.. you don't like them because you've deemed them optimal viewing or interaction shapes.
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Considering the 5.8” measurement includes the notch(cameras + sensors) and is essentially there as a dedicated/reserved space for the cameras and sensors, “all-screen” is not an accurate description.View attachment 726839

putting a diagonal measurement on a rounded corner object makes no sense.. there is no diagonal measurement..

if you're so concerned with what Apple is speccing as the diagonal, you should be mainly worried about there not even being a diagonal measurement to take in the first place.

you see that, right?

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for better explanation, see the dictionary:

 

[artfossil]

not sure what you would describe as 'Apple-like design' but i've seen this notch like shape used over and over again in Apple's design language..
you haven't ?

I just gave away my favorite Apple notched product, which was still working perfectly after 15 years:

 

[eyeseeyou]

I just gave away my favorite Apple notched product, which was still working perfectly after 15 years:

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But we all agree that that “notch” doesn’t *extrude into the area intended to be used for viewing media and information right?

Edit:

The notch shouldn’t “extrude” from the bezel into the area previously reserved for viewing various formats of media.

 

[Diorama]

And also the screen doesn’t extrude into the bezel
[doublepost=1508780440][/doublepost]You would have hated being a radar operator hahaha

 

[eyeseeyou]

if you're so concerned with what Apple is speccing as the diagonal, you should be mainly worried about there not even being

You’re missing the point. What 5.8” really means shouldn’t have to be explained. How the notch improves the UX shouldn’t have to be explained. Good design shouldn’t have to be explained.

Anyhow telling the customer how they should perceive the products design pretty much equates to = “you’re holding it wrong”

 

[iSayBoourns]

You’re missing the point. What 5.8” really means shouldn’t have to be explained. How the notch improves the UX shouldn’t have to be explained. Good design shouldn’t have to be explained.

Anyhow telling the customer how they should perceive the products design pretty much equates to = “you’re holding it wrong”

I’m sure there are people out there that have needed holding down to Power Button to be explained to them. Are you saying because of that a Power Button is also bad design?

 

[Diorama]

Good design shouldn’t have to be explained.

You would have thought so, wouldn’t you.

 

[flat five]

You’re missing the point. What 5.8” really means shouldn’t have to be explained. How the notch improves the UX shouldn’t have to be explained. Good design shouldn’t have to be explained.

Anyhow telling the customer how they should perceive the products design pretty much equates to = “you’re holding it wrong”

is Apple explaining their design?
i don’t think so but maybe you’ve seen something i haven’t.
?

 

[eyeseeyou]

I’m sure there are people out there that have needed holding down to Power Button to be explained to them. Are you saying because of that a Power Button is also bad design?

I get your point but I don’t think your example matches the topic of the notch.

Pressing down a button to initiate an automated process has been a standard for a long time and actually is an improvement over say, plugging or unplugging a product to turn it on or off.

I’d say removing the power button or all buttons and expecting the user to automatically understand how and why buttons were removed would be a better example.

If you played video games or with any toy that has a button as a child or even infant you pretty much understand what you’re supposed to do when you see a button.
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is Apple explaining their design?
i don’t think so but maybe you’ve seen something i haven’t.
?

Lol no they aren’t but their fans are.

Steve did say “You’re holding it wrong” when addressing an obvious design flaw.

 

[iSayBoourns]

I get your point but I don’t think your example matches the topic of the notch.

Pressing down a button to initiate an automated process has been a standard for a long time and actually is an improvement over say, plugging or unplugging a product to turn it on or off.

I’d say removing the power button or all buttons and expecting the user to automatically understand how and why buttons were removed would be a better example.

If you played video games or with any toy that has a button as a child or even infant you pretty much understand what you’re supposed to do when you see a button.

Everything’s below the “notch” has been standard for a very long time too. The ears are removing half an otherwise forehead bezel in “standard” smartphone screen design.

Standard screens are from the notch to the bottom. Ears are extra

 

[eyeseeyou]

Everything’s below the “notch” has been standard for a very long time too. The ears are removing half an otherwise forehead bezel in “standard” smartphone screen design.

Standard screens are from the notch to the bottom. Ears are extra

The standard you’re mentioning also included the entire status bar. It’s a notch that extrudes from the bezel because it covers part of that standard you’re mentioning.

Previously you could go full screen video mode without a random notch extruding into the video.

 

[Applejuiced]

I dont know, maybe Im OCD and the uneven screen throws me off.
I dont think the problem is how they measure them but the viewing area. If you have distractions or pieces missing it just doesnt look right.

i do..
even more so.. AR stuff.. that won't be happening with rectangles either



not really sure if you should be taking all of what i'm saying as a defensive stance for Apple and/or the design of the iPhone X screen..

but, considering the forum & thread i'm posting in, i'll let it slide
..but i am speaking from a less zoomed perspective and talking more about design in general.. not that the way i've written so far makes this clear.

i will say this though -- you like rectangle screens because that's what you've seen in the past.. you don't like them because you've deemed them optimal viewing or interaction shapes.
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putting a diagonal measurement on a rounded corner object makes no sense.. there is no diagonal measurement..

if you're so concerned with what Apple is speccing as the diagonal, you should be mainly worried about there not even being a diagonal measurement to take in the first place.

you see that, right?

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for better explanation, see the dictionary:

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[doublepost=1508783105][/doublepost]You're basicly making the point for what we all been saying.
The notch in your pics doesn't hinder or take away from the viewable/touch screen area.

I just gave away my favorite Apple notched product, which was still working perfectly after 15 years:

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[doublepost=1508783217][/doublepost]What you're saying doesnt make much sense btw...
The power button or how it operates has nothing to do with the notch on the screen.

I’m sure there are people out there that have needed holding down to Power Button to be explained to them. Are you saying because of that a Power Button is also bad design?

 

[Appleaker]

not sure what you would describe as 'Apple-like design' but i've seen this notch like shape used over and over again in Apple's design language..
you haven't ?

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a few i can think of right off the bat...
G5 tower/Mac Pro
Cube
OS X
iPhone (sort of)
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(and i bet there's more.. these are the Apple notches i can think of without even thinking about it)




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[doublepost=1508768813][/doublepost]even the freaking Apple logo itself is notched.


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There’s a really good example in the iOS world too:

 

[artfossil]

[doublepost=1508783217][/doublepost]What you're saying doesnt make much sense btw...
The power button or how it operates has nothing to do with the notch on the screen.

My statement that I gave away my display doesn’t make sense?

It was just a visual reply to flat five’s visuals illustrating that the shape has been part of Apple’s design vocabulary for a long time.

 

[bt311]

You also have to ignore the rounded corners on the Samsung and what's worse because of the bezel Samsung didn't have to round off the screen display, the Xiaomi Mi Mix 2 looks so much better.

So what if the X's display is slightly smaller than the plus, so what that is completely irrelevant it's a different phone.

I simply pointed out the error in the post I quoted. I have no idea what you are trying to say with Samsung, Xiaomi, or a vent on "relevancy."

 

[Diorama]

Why do you think having a front camera = notch?
And why are you fine with a notch?

Because every phone without a top bezel and with a front camera (Essential Phone, iPhone X) has a notch.
You could put the camera on the back but it wouldn’t really be a front camera anymore.

 

[Applejuiced]

So in other words you don't like it either, you're just saying you have to tolerate it.
At least you're honest, others in this thread claim that they love it

Because every phone without a top bezel and with a front camera (Essential Phone, iPhone X) has a notch.
You could put the camera on the back but it wouldn’t really be a front camera anymore.

 

[Smartass]

There’s a really good example in the iOS world too:

Yes, but you dont see this on the front of the device. Its on the back because its therefor hidden from "plain view". Otherwise it'd be quite a bit distracting

 

[Diorama]

So in other words you don't like it either, you're just saying you have to tolerate it.
At least you're honest, others in this thread claim that they love it

I don’t like OLED, it’s a compromise because we don’t have HoloDisplays.

I don’t like lightning because we should have USB-D

I don’t like that the new iPhone doesn’t fly.

I mean. I think the notch looks cool, I don’t understand why people have to throw this in my face and tell me I ‘don’t know about design’.

I think right angled corners on screens are going to look very dated in a few years.

It’s not about ‘liking the notch’ as it is ‘thinking the notch looks much much better than a black bar across the top’.
All these people suggesting Apple make some LG-looking wackphone, that’s what I don’t get.