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Yep, its kinda like how they measure and advertise GB storage.
I dont think that will go away and they will continue to keep measuring screen size diagonally.


idk.. i don't have any point about the size differences between various screens.. my point is that we shouldn't be using diagonal measurements to make comparisons.. while the dimensions listed may be accurate, they're entirely misleading to the general population.
 
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we should stop using diagonal measurements for screen comparisons.


(if you're not into maths, just count the squares ;) )

It's even easier to see if you use a reductio ad absurdum type of thing and imagine a 15" laptop screen that was 15" x 1/4",

However we must also remember that reviewers or anyone who actually gives cameras demerit points by complaining bout fractions of an inch are idiots anyway. As a rough approximation it's fine, like if you hear that the X is 5.8 it doesn't matter if it's 5.8 or 5.6 or 5.5, what matters is that you know it's in the 8 plus ball park and if that's a size you like you look at it in a shop, after that it's irrelevant what size they said it is because it's the size that you are holding in your hand.

It's not like you have a phone in your hand and you say oh this is perfect I love this size, the screen and the way it feels, then you're told it's less on the diagonal measurement than you thought. You don't then go 'oh now it's no good'.

It's like camera speed tests where they say, 'yes the iPhone loaded up that game faster, it's hard to see but you can clearly see it loaded faster when it's in slo motion', it wouldn't matter if a game took a minute more to load on an iPhone, if during the hour you play the game it's rendering graphics and effects and smoke and reflections that another phone cannot reproduce.
 
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Your interpretation of their marketing has created a beef with the X. Forget the 5.8" then. It doesn't change the area of the screen beginning below the notch. The ears are bonus areas. You're getting a more efficient blending of the old bezel/status bar, whilst gaining more screen below the notch.

It’s a notch because it eats into the advertised 5.8” screen regardless if the overall, useable screen is bigger than previous screen.

What problem from previous iPhones is the notch solving?
 
It’s a notch because it eats into the advertised 5.8” screen regardless if the overall, useable screen is bigger than previous screen.

What problem from previous iPhones is the notch solving?
i'll get back on the merry-go-round for a minute :)

maybe the screen isn't notched.. maybe it's the bezel that notched -> twice.. then filled with display.

it solves the problem of having the status bar info impose upon the content area.
 
i'll get back on the merry-go-round for a minute :)

maybe the screen isn't notched.. maybe it's the bezel that notched -> twice.. then filled with display.

it solves the problem of having the status bar info impose upon the content area.

It won't be the last time you have to say this. It's like 'whack a mole'.

btw did you notice that if you play a movie that is shot in the most common wide screen format of 1.2.39 that the top and bottom completely miss the curved corners. This is so precise that it cannot be a coincidence.

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It won't be the last time you have to say this. It's like 'whack a mole'.

btw did you notice that if you play a movie that is shot in the most common wide screen format of 1.2.39 that the top and bottom completely miss the curved corners. This is so precise that it cannot be a coincidence.

i personally think nothing on this phone is arbitrary and each thing is done for very specific reasonings and/or after analyzing many many use cases..

while i can understand people wanting a strict 16:9 rectangle, i think that lacks versatility and only adapts well to specific scenarios.. this non-rectangular display is going to adapt well to a wider variety of uses be it video watching or app usage or internet browsing.

i don't necessarily think it's revolutionary (though faceID, i do).. but i do think the design is highly refined compared to the past 10 years.

but i'm getting to the point in these discussions where i'm burnt out on overly engaged arguments for what i think it will be like.. because the more i've analyzed it, the more i realize a lot of this stuff will be realized without the need for explanations once people start using it. ;)
 
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Its nice how you 2 decided that this notch/ears or missing usable touchscreen is a non issue to you personally. And how Apple never does anything wrong, its all arbitrary and not a coincidence this is all a meant feature to have those ears sticking up.
And that its not really missing any of the screen, you're just getting free extra screen :D
To most people though this ugly thing of an asymmetrical rectangular screen is unacceptable and a huge turn off.
 
Its nice how you 2 decided that this notch/ears or missing usable touchscreen is a non issue to you personally. And how Apple never does anything wrong, its all arbitrary and not a coincidence this is all a meant feature to have those ears sticking up.
And that its not really missing any of the screen, you're just getting free extra screen :D
To most people though this ugly thing of an asymmetrical rectangular screen is unacceptable and a huge turn off.
i think you have "you 2" and "most people" mixed up..

if most people think this is ugly & unacceptable & a huge turn off then... Apple is doooooomed*

* yet again ;)
 
We'll see how it goes I guess. Im not saying that Apple is doomed, they got plenty of billions that they're sitting on and dont really care if they have bad sales on a particular product. But if they keep up the downward slope of jacking up prices for nothing and putting out nothing worthwhile or what has been done by competitors years ago then they will start to decline just like many other big companies did before.
In over 10 years of iPhone releases that's the only time I was turned off completely by an iphone and wont even consider getting one. And I got most iphones near release date, waited in lines and chased stock around while driving 2 hours away to an Apple store that had one.
This release has many cons, feels like a beta test release along with the cut up screen, the high price tag and missing touch ID and a new face ID that who knows how well it will play in real world. Lots of unknowns and negatives IMO.


i think you have "you 2" and "most people" mixed up..

if most people think this is ugly & unacceptable & a huge turn off then... Apple is doooooomed*

* yet again ;)
 
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It’s a notch because it eats into the advertised 5.8” screen regardless if the overall, useable screen is bigger than previous screen.

What problem from previous iPhones is the notch solving?

You still need to ask this.....how can you not see what's been pointed out many times to you already....same question can be asked of the usual notch-mocking minions who keep 'liking' your ignorance.
 
Why do you think having a front camera = notch?
And why are you fine with a notch?

The notch is unapologetically un-Apple. If they didn’t want to rush it out this year, they would have waited to get it right (i.e. no notch) as they pride themselves on doing.
 
It’s a notch because it eats into the advertised 5.8” screen regardless if the overall, useable screen is bigger than previous screen.

What problem from previous iPhones is the notch solving?

Your statement is meaningless and, frankly, confusing unless you can post a picture of a phone with no top and bottom bezel.
 
diagonal measurement tells nothing if trying to compare two rectangles of different shapes.

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that said, the rectangle of the X is slightly larger than that of the Plus.. once you remove the pixels from the corners&notch on the X, it then becomes a smaller display.

but my original point is 5.8" vs 5.5" tells you zilch about what rectangle is larger if the two rectangles aren't the same shape.


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that said.. the maths at your link is wrong ;)

Even ignoring the notch and rounded corners, the X's display is slightly smaller than Plus's.

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(original: http://www.mehanik99.ru/mons/sizes-5.8-inch-1125x2436-vs-5.5-inch-1080x1920)
 
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Why do you think having a front camera = notch?
And why are you fine with a notch?

The notch is unapologetically un-Apple. If they didn’t want to rush it out this year, they would have waited to get it right (i.e. no notch) as they pride themselves on doing.

Based on what evidence do you have that Apple rushed the Notch or iPhone X all together? More specifically, what's considered "Rushed"? I understand you don't appreciate it and you're stating it's very UnApple like. But given the unpredictability with this company, how do you know what the plans will be for the future regardless?
 
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A few thoughts:

1. The notch is iconic. Apple is making a feature of it. I think people will come to love it.

2. I never watch movies on my iPhone. Well, the occasional YouTube clip.

3. I very rarely use my iPhone in landscape.

4. It’s not the notch that’s going to stop me, it’s the enormous price. A year ago I thought my jet black iPhone 7+ was the most beautiful phone I’d ever seen. We all did. My current phone is as amazing now as it was before the keynote. It’s nuts to “trade up”.
 
i personally think nothing on this phone is arbitrary and each thing is done for very specific reasonings and/or after analyzing many many use cases..

but i'm getting to the point in these discussions where i'm burnt out on overly engaged arguments for what i think it will be like.. because the more i've analyzed it, the more i realize a lot of this stuff will be realized without the need for explanations once people start using it. ;)

Fully agree with you on that one. I see it as a bit of fun, mainly not because of some of the idiocy that we have had to contend with and patiently explain even though it's pointless, but because that same idiocy has been reflected in numerous tech articles.

It's incredibly funny to me because I can project forward to when the phone is released and I can already appreciate how much Samsung will be panicking, they cannot simply copy this. Instead of realising that Touch ID ain't going to cut it 5 years into the future like Apple did, Samsung and the rest just looked at tiny bezels and the Touch ID was a mere bagatelle to them "oh don't worry, we can stick it on the back" but it's not the screen that is the big deal it's the new biometric. Anyone can make a big phone and any one can make a tiny bezel phone but no one can suddenly whip up a FaceID equivalent in a year, or two or three. And it's Face ID not bezeless screens that are the big deal with the X.

I'm going to enjoy watching all the other phones who rode on the coat tails of Apple, get their comeuppance.
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A few thoughts:

1. The notch is iconic. Apple is making a feature of it. I think people will come to love it.

2. I never watch movies on my iPhone. Well, the occasional YouTube clip.

3. I very rarely use my iPhone in landscape.

4. It’s not the notch that’s going to stop me, it’s the enormous price. A year ago I thought my jet black iPhone 7+ was the most beautiful phone I’d ever seen. We all did. My current phone is as amazing now as it was before the keynote. It’s nuts to “trade up”.

1. Yes but it's not iconic in the way that people have suggested that Apple just did it to purposely look iconic, it's iconic in the way that a porsche is iconic due to a form follows function credo. Also it's going to be hilarious if others try to copy it because when they copied the original iPhone they said, 'you can't patent a rectangle with rounded corners, it's obviously the only way to do it'. When they do eventually get a FaceID equivalent going, if ever, they'll have to do the straight across bezel, they can't copy the iconic way Apple have implemented the ears and say, 'oh that's obvious of course you have to do it that way'.

2. I don't like the size of an iPad and if I watch movies on my 4" screen (was iPod but now SE) and hold it at a distance of 11" which I do, that is the same as watching a 40" screen from a distance of 9 feet. Handy for long bus trips or if I just want to be horizontal.

3. There'll be enough people buying this that there'll be plenty of one year old models to purchase soon enough.
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Why do you think having a front camera = notch?
And why are you fine with a notch?

The notch is unapologetically un-Apple. If they didn’t want to rush it out this year, they would have waited to get it right (i.e. no notch) as they pride themselves on doing.

Considering that if Apple didn't want the 'notch effect' that it was just a matter of not extending the screen up into the bezel and having the status bar take up screen space, if that's what they wanted to do they would have done it, extending the screen into the bezel is more work takes more time because it's not just the engineering but they have to write the software and all the API's that work with the ears.

And to say it's "un-Apple" is frankly bizarre because it's very very Apple to do something that no one thought of and that the whole world thinks is obviously wrong, only to later realise that Apple's way is the only one that makes sense.

The best example of this is the positioning of keyboards on laptops, everyone had the keyboard position closer to the user because that is what seemed to make sense, Apple pushed the keyboard away from the user towards the screen, and suddenly all laptops were made that way because 'it's obvious'. Genuine genius always looks 'obvious' once you see it, but it's only obvious after the fact.
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Even ignoring the notch and rounded corners, the X's display is slightly smaller than Plus's.

You also have to ignore the rounded corners on the Samsung and what's worse because of the bezel Samsung didn't have to round off the screen display, the Xiaomi Mi Mix 2 looks so much better.

So what if the X's display is slightly smaller than the plus, so what that is completely irrelevant it's a different phone.
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It’s a notch because it eats into the advertised 5.8” screen regardless if the overall, useable screen is bigger than previous screen.

So if it's a notch because Apple just did the industry standard measurement and measured from corner to corner, then I presume if Apple said it was 5.62" you'd be satisfied that it's not a notch? That's very strange because then according to you simply saying the screen is 5.62" and not 5.8" and the phone and everything including the screen remains the same, but suddenly there is no notch! According to you. That proves there's no notch at all because if a notch can vanish simply by changing a number on a web page then it couldn't have been a real notch in the first place.

Sort of like gravity, Einstein said that if by changing your reference frame you can make gravity disappear then gravity cannot be a real force. I often ask people why do the astronauts and all their equipment float around in the space station, and they invariably say 'because there's no gravity' so what keeps it in orbit then, the gravitational field on the space station is only about 10% less than the Earth, it doesn't even dawn on them that the Moon which is 240,000 miles further away is also being held by gravity. So why aren't the astronauts falling towards the Earth if there's still gravity? They are falling and so is everything on the space station, including the space station itself.
 
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So if it's a notch because Apple just did the industry standard measurement and measured from corner to corner, then I presume if Apple said it was 5.62" you'd be satisfied that it's not a notch?

Didn’t want to quote everything but whatever you said the “live wallpapers” Apple advertises also flows around the notch. It doesn’t flow behind it like you still get all of the advertised screen size, no matter how you measure it, it actually emphasizes the notch.

It’s literally a rectangle shape with one side that has a bump/notch protruding into the area usually preserved for visuals.

If you don’t get why it irritates people then you’re not concerned with good design and that’s ok. And even if you think it doesn’t affect the users experience in a negative way it certainly has to be explained how it improves it. If it has to be explained its poor design.
 
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Your statement is meaningless and, frankly, confusing unless you can post a picture of a phone with no top and bottom bezel.

My statement is written in plain English and relates to the topic of this thread. Clearly states a specific question relating to the topic of this thread but you want to see a phone with no top or bottom bezel which has nothing to do with the notch.

So what problem does the notch solve again?
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But go ahead and explain why a good design is a good design lol.

“You’re holding it wrong” lol
 
The "notch" is probably here to stay for at least 2-3 years. Maybe even more. You need a space to place the fronfacing camera, speaker, FaceID cameras. And i highly doubt that screen tech will get so much better in just one to two years, that Apple will be able to place all those sensors and cameras behind the screen. Apple has the notch solution, while Samsung and other have the "small bezzel" solution. I think Samsungs version is more elegant, but this is just my oppinion. I'm sure a lot of people think that the notch solution is better.
 
This is good design.

This is not an image of a receding hairline it’s a picture of two forehead extensions.

You have to let people know you have a hairline so that’s why there’s the hair dipping down in the middle.

Apparently there are some people who prefer this look to a more flat or even hairline which is ok too.
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The "notch" is probably here to stay for at least 2-3 years. Maybe even more. You need a space to place the fronfacing camera, speaker, FaceID cameras. And i highly doubt that screen tech will get so much better in just one to two years, that Apple will be able to place all those sensors and cameras behind the screen. Apple has the notch solution, while Samsung and other have the "small bezzel" solution. I think Samsungs version is more elegant, but this is just my oppinion. I'm sure a lot of people think that the notch solution is better.

more elegant but for Apple it will make it indistinguishable.
so is it bad design or not ? ;)
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This is good design.

This is not an image of a receding hairline it’s a picture of two forehead extensions.

You have to let people know you have a hairline so that’s why there’s the hair dipping down in the middle.

Apparently there are some people who prefer this look to a more flat or even hairline which is ok too.
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nice dig, sir.
 
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