Not sure what you mean by "Outdated hardware", the new MBPs use the best that is currently available... So you know, research. Or are you that person who really buys into marketing and see 7th generation as better than 6th generation because the number is higher?
All those other manufacturers you mentioned are often cheaper as they cut costs in other areas. They generally focus on one 'killer' feature and market the hell out of it. Often they have subpar SSDs or storage solutions, more generic keyboards/trackpads. Often way worse battery life. The MBP is expensive as it uses the best of each component, windows is cheaper as they don't.
Please stop peddling this 'outdated' nonsense without at least doing some research and understanding current hardware. Kabylake is not better than Skylake, it is the same generation. Apple could have put a lower powered Kabylake in their machine which would have made it significantly slower, and perhaps would make people like you feel it's better? But in reality people do not want that.
HAHAHA Apple uses the best of each component ? That'd a good one
Apple has always been peddling outdated hardware. Given our previous "discussion" I don't imagine you'd be anywhere to accept that, but in case it interest anyone :
- When they had the CD/DVD combo it was probably the most ******** cd-r/dvd drive around in laptops, slow as hell noisy.
You were already paying top dollars for that crap at the time.
- When they finally, many years after the others, decided to make it a dvd-r, it was still a ****** one. Slow, noisy etc.
- At that point the PC world was already in blu-ray, at the time a very practical format to save /read large amount of data. But hey, like the rest, it would have been expensive-ish for them to provide with some decent BD-r/DVD-r combo (or even BD/dvd-r).
- They peddle us ****** RAM (around 2010 ?? +/- 2 years or something like that).
- When USB3 arrived on PC,
they stayed on USB2 for 2.5 years. That's the most unforgivable of the list IMO, that was ****ing ridiculous.
- They took ages to put a goddamn HDMI port, again, to avoid paying royalties.
- Don't talk about what you don't know. In the 13", they could have put a Kaby Lake. At half the TDP, this would have meant slightly better performance than the best of the Skylake ( the i7 one in my maxed out 13" TB ) for a much better battery. Not to mention the native handling of some format.
- Here`s one INSANE idea : They could have switched to Skylake when they got released, which was a while ago; and then Kaby Lake when the better one arrived (which was 3rd of January btu ofc were produced in mass before) . But hey, this would have taken on those dear margins
- There are other example, wifi chips I think, but I forgot about them
- USB-C everywhere was decided both because of technical limitation on the mbp AND wanting to save
You don't make the highest margins on a laptop in the industry by chance, or because the suppliers are nice to you.
You're doing it by peddling cheap hardware at a higher price, because you can.
All this doesn't change the fact macOS is really great, Retina was a true innovation, thin factor was a true innovation too (at one point at least, it got quickly caught up by the competition), battery life around 10 hours was true innovation ( although now with the 2016 models they pooped themselves ).
But "the best components" ? Lol, no.
As for what people want, I would have been happy with something like the new Razer Stealth Blade, the maxed out version : Kaby Lake (again, slightly better perf than the best CPU Skylake for the 13" TB in 2016), more native handling of video formats, MUCH lower TDP) , 16GB ram, same thin factor, 1 TB SSD, 4k screen - which would have been really welcomes on the 2016 edition... - , TB3, and you know , goddamn normal ports too.
For 2200 dollars instead of 3600$.
And yeah, it runs Windows so it does have a "crap factor" like every PC, but that doesn't change the fact it's a superior machine at a much better price, and Apple is peddling outdated hardware at a ridiculously high price, as usual.
(there are others : the Dell XPS, the Lenovo Yoga OLED, and I hear the MS Surface Book is good too and the HP Spectre is great - if you're crazy enough to buy HP
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I see, so do you expect future Macbooks to continue to use Skylake?
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6th generation is the same generation as 7th generation? Interesting, I am learning a lot today.
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Which people do you speak for?
Forget it man, if you're unsatisfied by the mbp, you're wrong according to
@New_Mac_Smell . That's it, you're just wrong and you don't know what you want.
Me, I say the new Mac smells !
I am the best complainer on the forum and I'll be damned if you convince me to keep shut about how crap the new macbook is, how there are no good Mac or Windows alternatives and how desperately hopeful I am that someone releases something that doesn't totally suck in 2017.
I am so torn.
Microsoft is doing everything right hardware wise. The SP5 will have TB3, 7th gen intel, rechargeable pen.
But it will run Windows. I would sooner run AmigaOS on my 2004 Powerbook G4 than Windows as my main OS.
Ditto, the new macbook is crap but it still has a major advantage : Not running Windows
Maybe OP should have started a thread saying "let's celebrate the new MBP" rather than "LALALALALA I don't want to hear you". I mean, come on, this is always the same song : "Oh you don't like it or think they could have done better ? let me explain you why you're wrong."
As for alternatives, my hope is that Microsoft is developing another OS, separated from Windows, and that the Ubuntu experiment is, in fact, about creating an Linux based OS, like macOS is (ok, Unix based if you're pedantic).
After every single new MBP release the complaints have always been the same, that Apple isn't using the most and best. The machines are as pro now as they've ever been. They were never substitutes for desktop machines.
Frankly Sanpete, no. We talked on another thread as to why, but even without going in the details those are not "as pro as they ever been". 2013 had a much better ratio TDP / battery capacity, resulting in non ****** battery life.
2015 had ports that pro uses, and dongles are goddamn awful.
I'm typing this and literally nothing runs apart from Chrome (admiteddly large amount of tabs so I`m eating all RAM, but CPU is 68% idle). I lost 50% battery in 1h30mn.
This is ****.
As to replacing desktop machines, this is exactly why the web development industry switch to macBook pros around 2006 /2007 , so I highly disagree here.
The are definitely the most "pro" Starbucks machines as they've ever been.
hahaha I agree, they're super pretty. That's their one quality. Oh, the touchID thing is cool too. Not really an innovation but one of the 2 things I like on this crappy 2016 iteration.
