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@ihatetoregister, sure, better battery life is better, but it's not the only thing that matters. And, at least for the 15", the current machine actually has better battery life than older ones. (How it will turn out for the 13" TB isn't known yet.) And the 15" also has a lot better battery life than its closest Windows competitor, the XPS UHD. Whether it will remain that way for the new XPS remains to be seen, but the desktop RAM and power-hungry screen will remain for the XPS UHD.

The new MBP maximizes the power and flexibility of the ports, and does so in a way that conserves space. The legacy ports may be more convenient for many at the moment, but they're far less useful in the long run, and for some pros especially, right now. Even with the update, the XPS ports will remain less powerful and flexible.

I disagree that other machines have a better build. That's certainly not the reputation of the XPS or most other Windows machines. Why do you believe that?

You're comparing one thing you like better from one machine, another from another. That doesn't shows anything about which machine is best.
 
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The new MBP maximizes the power and flexibility of the ports, and does so in a way that conserves space. The legacy ports may be more convenient for many at the moment, but they're far less useful in the long run, and for some pros especially, right now. Even with the update, the XPS ports will remain less powerful and flexible.
A mix of ports will ALWAYS be more flexible than all being a new port, with precious few actual peripherals available, compared to the standard one. No matter how you try to spin it.
 
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HAHAHA Apple uses the best of each component ? That'd a good one :rolleyes:

Apple has always been peddling outdated hardware. Given our previous "discussion" I don't imagine you'd be anywhere to accept that, but in case it interest anyone :

- When they had the CD/DVD combo it was probably the most ******** cd-r/dvd drive around in laptops, slow as hell noisy.
You were already paying top dollars for that crap at the time.
- When they finally, many years after the others, decided to make it a dvd-r, it was still a ****** one. Slow, noisy etc.
- At that point the PC world was already in blu-ray, at the time a very practical format to save /read large amount of data. But hey, like the rest, it would have been expensive-ish for them to provide with some decent BD-r/DVD-r combo (or even BD/dvd-r).
- They peddle us ****** RAM (around 2010 ?? +/- 2 years or something like that).
- When USB3 arrived on PC, they stayed on USB2 for 2.5 years. That's the most unforgivable of the list IMO, that was ****ing ridiculous.
- They took ages to put a goddamn HDMI port, again, to avoid paying royalties.
- Don't talk about what you don't know. In the 13", they could have put a Kaby Lake. At half the TDP, this would have meant slightly better performance than the best of the Skylake ( the i7 one in my maxed out 13" TB ) for a much better battery. Not to mention the native handling of some format.
- Here`s one INSANE idea : They could have switched to Skylake when they got released, which was a while ago; and then Kaby Lake when the better one arrived (which was 3rd of January btu ofc were produced in mass before) . But hey, this would have taken on those dear margins
- There are other example, wifi chips I think, but I forgot about them
- USB-C everywhere was decided both because of technical limitation on the mbp AND wanting to save

You don't make the highest margins on a laptop in the industry by chance, or because the suppliers are nice to you.
You're doing it by peddling cheap hardware at a higher price, because you can.


All this doesn't change the fact macOS is really great, Retina was a true innovation, thin factor was a true innovation too (at one point at least, it got quickly caught up by the competition), battery life around 10 hours was true innovation ( although now with the 2016 models they pooped themselves ).

But "the best components" ? Lol, no.

As for what people want, I would have been happy with something like the new Razer Stealth Blade, the maxed out version : Kaby Lake (again, slightly better perf than the best CPU Skylake for the 13" TB in 2016), more native handling of video formats, MUCH lower TDP) , 16GB ram, same thin factor, 1 TB SSD, 4k screen - which would have been really welcomes on the 2016 edition... - , TB3, and you know , goddamn normal ports too.
For 2200 dollars instead of 3600$.

And yeah, it runs Windows so it does have a "crap factor" like every PC, but that doesn't change the fact it's a superior machine at a much better price, and Apple is peddling outdated hardware at a ridiculously high price, as usual.
(there are others : the Dell XPS, the Lenovo Yoga OLED, and I hear the MS Surface Book is good too and the HP Spectre is great - if you're crazy enough to buy HP :p )
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Forget it man, if you're unsatisfied by the mbp, you're wrong according to @New_Mac_Smell . That's it, you're just wrong and you don't know what you want.
Me, I say the new Mac smells ! ;)




Ditto, the new macbook is crap but it still has a major advantage : Not running Windows :)
Maybe OP should have started a thread saying "let's celebrate the new MBP" rather than "LALALALALA I don't want to hear you". I mean, come on, this is always the same song : "Oh you don't like it or think they could have done better ? let me explain you why you're wrong."

As for alternatives, my hope is that Microsoft is developing another OS, separated from Windows, and that the Ubuntu experiment is, in fact, about creating an Linux based OS, like macOS is (ok, Unix based if you're pedantic).



Frankly Sanpete, no. We talked on another thread as to why, but even without going in the details those are not "as pro as they ever been". 2013 had a much better ratio TDP / battery capacity, resulting in non ****** battery life.
2015 had ports that pro uses, and dongles are goddamn awful.
I'm typing this and literally nothing runs apart from Chrome (admiteddly large amount of tabs so I`m eating all RAM, but CPU is 68% idle). I lost 50% battery in 1h30mn.
This is ****.

As to replacing desktop machines, this is exactly why the web development industry switch to macBook pros around 2006 /2007 , so I highly disagree here.



hahaha I agree, they're super pretty. That's their one quality. Oh, the touchID thing is cool too. Not really an innovation but one of the 2 things I like on this crappy 2016 iteration.

I have never once said if you do not like the new MBP that you are wrong, please refrain from trash talking this way. I have said that you should replace yours, as clearly you hate it and have a strong love for other Windows machines. And I've said that's fine. You can quote that but do not put words in my mouth.

You're repeatedly talking about TDP of the Skylake without providing any evidence that it isn't as good as Kabylake. Despite the fact that Kabylake processors for the 15" didn't exist at the time. And suggest they could have used Kabylake on the 13" instead.

For the 15", here's a comparison of the chips http://laptopmedia.com/highlights/i...e-benchmarks-show-another-incremental-update/

For the 13", I'll use the i7 that you have. Which has a 28w TDP (https://ark.intel.com/products/91167/Intel-Core-i7-6567U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_60-GHz). The Kabylake equivalent launched this month (http://ark.intel.com/products/97541/Intel-Core-i7-7567U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-4_00-GHz) again has the same TDP.

The only suitable Kabylake chip available at the time (Right around when the MBP was launched) was the 7500U http://ark.intel.com/products/95451/Intel-Core-i7-7500U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_50-GHz- which is actually a worse chip than the Skylake i7 in the 13".

For comparison, the base 13" uses another 28w TDP https://ark.intel.com/products/91166/Intel-Core-i5-6267U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_30-GHz

So I suggest that they could not have put Kabylake in the MBP at the time as it would have resulted in weaker performance overall. Of course, if you could provide any sources that suggest otherwise then please provide them. This is not Apple peddling outdated hardware, it has to do with Intels roadmap.

Sure, to every one their own, but don't you think that having better battery, ports that allows you to go to not carry dongles / special cables around, is more "pro" in general ? Is there anything that is won professionally by having this lesser battery ? By not having those ports ?

As to "better specs doesn't imply better machine", it's sort of true if you compare a mac to a cheap PC.
If you compare to the high-end of several PC brand, mac is losing because not only the specs are better, but the entire build is better.
Not to mention other PC can have things of their own that are largely superior and not just in specs.
OLED screen on the Lenovo for instance. Instant love !
Or fingerprints reader ( one of the 2 features I like on the mbp 2016 iteration ), which existed for like, 5 years ago on PC ?

So I do think, at least on my end, that previous mac were more pro. Closer to desktop competition, better battery, and more practical (no dongles).
And I do think top PCs are superior not only on specs, but also on build, and for a cheaper price. but hey, they do have Windows, which definitely comes in the way of productivity :D

Fingerprint sensors have been on Windows machines for over a decade http://www.technewsworld.com/story/37017.html however did not take off because they just weren't very good, and provided significant security issues with Windows http://www.networkworld.com/article...tire-security-model-of-windows-accounts-.html. So Apple were in no way first here, but are the first to make it a significant feature and not just another sales gimmick.

I agree OLED would be great, but it needs to mature before being implemented. For started, there's issues with battery life http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/should-you-buy-oled-laptop/ which is clearly important to you. There's also issues with the lifetime of the screen, as OLEDs do not last as long as traditional LCD http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/oled5.htm. This also leads to burn-in and brightness issues as the colours age at different rates http://www.notebookcheck.net/Display-Comparison-OLED-vs-IPS-on-Notebooks.168753.0.html. So I'd love to see OLED on the MBP, but not until I know the screen isn't going to give up after a couple of years use.

On ports, this will for the time being fall into a personal discussion. However the beauty of USB-C is that it is every other port in a single connector, so you do not need a flurry of ports for each and everything on the side of a computer, as they can all connect to USB-C. For the time being, yes this will require purchasing new cables or using an adapter if necessary, but in the long run it is a huge benefit. It provides less interaction for things to go wrong, and if worst comes and you damage one of the ports then there are others that fulfil the same duty. Something that cannot be done with a single HDMI for instance. Of course an unlikely position but one that could be useful.

And no, before you say it, again this is not me saying you are wrong and that the MBP is the greatest thing ever made. I would just prefer it if you back your statements up with some kind of source and stop calling anyone who disagrees with you a 'fanboy'.
 
I have never once said if you do not like the new MBP that you are wrong, please refrain from trash talking this way. I have said that you should replace yours, as clearly you hate it and have a strong love for other Windows machines. [...] Kabylake

Hello again New_Mac_Smell :) You know what I think about Windows itself. Otherwise I would have jumped :)

About Kabylake in the 13" , I am indeed talking about the 7500U , hence the "half the TDP for slightly better performances". Yo'ure saying it's worse than the Skylake but :
- It benches (again, slightly) better than the top i7 in the 13" 2016 TB, you can check it on Geekbench.
- It has much better deconding of h265 and VP9, which ARE formats of the future.

So yeah, it's a better CPU at about half the TDP and would have absolutely worked in the 13".


Fingerprint sensors ...
Hey I pretty much agree there, that one of the 2 things I find good on the 2016. Like often Apple isn't the first but get it right (like the trackpad). Well, for now, wait & see :)


I agree OLED would be great, but it needs to mature before being implemented. For started, there's issues with battery life http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/should-you-buy-oled-laptop/ which is clearly important to you. There's also issues with the lifetime of the screen, as OLEDs do not last as long as traditional LCD http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/oled5.htm. This also leads to burn-in and brightness issues as the colours age at different rates http://www.notebookcheck.net/Display-Comparison-OLED-vs-IPS-on-Notebooks.168753.0.html. So I'd love to see OLED on the MBP, but not until I know the screen isn't going to give up after a couple of years use.

Careful, many articles about OLED are myths and FUD spread by competition because LG is more or less the only player on the market for those.
Battery life : Not only it depends, but also it seems there is a large disagreement on the topic.
Using Macrumors with this white background ? Maybe battery life will be worse.
Using the terminal (mostly black) ? You would greatly benefit from an OLED panel

For movies I'm waiting for a comparison (say on the Yoga X1 with OLED and the normal X1).

The lifetime is the biggest lie out there. OLED are rated at AT LEAST 50 000 hours of use, with the blue degrading 10-15% faster, which is peanuts. You could use it continuously 9 hours per day for 15 years before MAYBE starting to see issues.

http://www.oled-a.org/images/pdfs/OLED Myths.pdf
Read about the lifetime and also the independant tests on power consumption.

On ports, this will for the time being fall into a personal discussion. However the beauty of USB-C is that it is every other port in a single connector, so you do not need a flurry of ports for each and everything on the side of a computer, as they can all connect to USB-C. For the time being, yes this will require purchasing new cables or using an adapter if necessary, but in the long run it is a huge benefit. It provides less interaction for things to go wrong, and if worst comes and you damage one of the ports then there are others that fulfil the same duty. Something that cannot be done with a single HDMI for instance. Of course an unlikely position but one that could be useful.

And no, before you say it, again this is not me saying you are wrong and that the MBP is the greatest thing ever made. I would just prefer it if you back your statements up with some kind of source and stop calling anyone who disagrees with you a 'fanboy'.

Well, see above for the sources )link provided, for geekbench I'll let you make the search or dig my history for the link with the comparison, I can't be bother to find again the i7 reference just to convince you so you'll have to make the effort ;)

For the dongles, it's an abomination, it wasn't even done for practical reason but because Apple couldn't do TB3 AND have other ports. A forumer explained it in details, but same thing, can't be bothered to retrieve it just for you.
The other reason being saving on HDMI royalties, and components.

I maintain what I`m saying for Apple : they peddle outdated hardware at high price. You haven't seemed to react on all the examples I gave (USB2, the fugly cd/dvd/dv-r thing ) etc.
 
Exactly, they are frequented by unemployed or retired folks with no cash and an axe to grind. Thought the USA was the land of capitalism. Seems that's fine unless you have to pay for anything. Go figure. Haha

But it's not a case of not being able to afford it. It's a case of, even if yo can afford it very easily, you are being so ripped off with the current pricing and hardware specs. But if you want it, nobody can tell you what is and is not overpriced. Just from an objective, hardware market price point of view it's over priced.
 
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Hello again New_Mac_Smell :) You know what I think about Windows itself. Otherwise I would have jumped :)

About Kabylake in the 13" , I am indeed talking about the 7500U , hence the "half the TDP for slightly better performances". Yo'ure saying it's worse than the Skylake but :
- It benches (again, slightly) better than the top i7 in the 13" 2016 TB, you can check it on Geekbench.
- It has much better deconding of h265 and VP9, which ARE formats of the future.

So yeah, it's a better CPU at about half the TDP and would have absolutely worked in the 13".



Hey I pretty much agree there, that one of the 2 things I find good on the 2016. Like often Apple isn't the first but get it right (like the trackpad). Well, for now, wait & see :)




Careful, many articles about OLED are myths and FUD spread by competition because LG is more or less the only player on the market for those.
Battery life : Not only it depends, but also it seems there is a large disagreement on the topic.
Using Macrumors with this white background ? Maybe battery life will be worse.
Using the terminal (mostly black) ? You would greatly benefit from an OLED panel

For movies I'm waiting for a comparison (say on the Yoga X1 with OLED and the normal X1).

The lifetime is the biggest lie out there. OLED are rated at AT LEAST 50 000 hours of use, with the blue degrading 10-15% faster, which is peanuts. You could use it continuously 9 hours per day for 15 years before MAYBE starting to see issues.

http://www.oled-a.org/images/pdfs/OLED Myths.pdf
Read about the lifetime and also the independant tests on power consumption.



Well, see above for the sources )link provided, for geekbench I'll let you make the search or dig my history for the link with the comparison, I can't be bother to find again the i7 reference just to convince you so you'll have to make the effort ;)

For the dongles, it's an abomination, it wasn't even done for practical reason but because Apple couldn't do TB3 AND have other ports. A forumer explained it in details, but same thing, can't be bothered to retrieve it just for you.
The other reason being saving on HDMI royalties, and components.

I maintain what I`m saying for Apple : they peddle outdated hardware at high price. You haven't seemed to react on all the examples I gave (USB2, the fugly cd/dvd/dv-r thing ) etc.

I did check it on Geekbench, seeing as you still will not provide any sources here you go: 7500U https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/search?utf8=✓&q=i7-7500U and 6567U https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/search?q=i7-6567U

Those numbers, for the little Geekbench scores actually matters, are higher for the 6567U than the 7500U.

Yes Kabylake supports better native h265 and VP9 support, however the AMD chipsets in the 15" handle this just fine. Anyone who needs that support would probably be getting a 15" anyway. Why do you need it?

Whilst I don't think a PDF published by the OLED Association can be called 'Independent' well done for providing a source. Although I still think there is work to be done in this area before it is ready to replace.

If you cannot be bothered to back your stuff up with sources after being asked repeatedly, then understand I cannot take you seriously.

In regards to your other claims of peddling outdated hardware. On the one hand you complain about the slow adoption of USB2 (Around 2 years), and on the other complain about the quick adoption of USB-C? So what should they have done? Would it make sense to put an HDMI, a DP, a VGA, and a DVI or just use a single HDMI with an adapter? Would it make sense to have Ethernet, Video, Data, Power, Audio, and others, or just use a single USB-C port with an adapter?

The DVD situation was a nightmare back then, not least for Apple. You had DVD+, and DVD-, and it took time for a dual reader to become available. I remember them costing a fortune as well. But the G4 got a dual reader in 2001. Which seems about right. Thankfully technology moved on, external readers/writers became more available and were brought in preference as a way of not worrying about which to get. I think a similar situation has occurred with the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD war, which has resulted in more people opting to stream media than purchase a physical copy. There's really no desire to have a laptop with a physical burner in it these days as wireless transfers or memory sticks are preferred than burning something to a disk, which was popular about 15 years ago.
 
A mix of poets will ALWAYS be more flexible than all being a new port, with presious few actual periferables available, compared to the standard one. No matter how you try to spin it.

A Thunderbolt 3/USB-C port can do more things than any other port. It may require adapters, but it gives you more flexibility than any other port.
 
I have no problem with the fact that Apple want to price this as a professional laptop, that's fine.

The complaints I personally have about the current MacBook Pro is, now that mines personally is starting to fall apart due to heavy usage etc.. I can't bloody afford to buy another! It's not just slightly more expensive, but put it this way:

Mid 2012 MacBook Pro 13" - £999

Late 2016 MacBook Pro 13" (current model) £1,449
^ and that still lacks the biggest, most innovative and impressive feature!!!

Almost 1.5 times the price. We have every right to complain.

I hate to sound like people who irrationally hate on Tim Cook, but look, Steve Jobs wouldn't have released a brand new model with the entry-level iteration LACKING THE KEY FEATURE.

Remember 4 years ago the exchange rate was $1.60. Now it's $1.20. Actually, at current exchange rates the MacBook is cheaper in the UK than the US after you back out VAT (meaning expect another price increase if the rate stays where it is). The 2012 would be £1333 based on today's exchange rate.
 
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A Thunderbolt 3/USB-C port can do more things than any other port. It may require adapters, but it gives you more flexibility than any other port.
GREAT!!! And having one or two USB-C ports on the new MBP would also give you that. This isn't floppy disks, nor CD-ROM, this is USB-A format that has billions of active peripherals in use every day.
 
GREAT!!! And having one or two USB-C ports on the new MBP would also give you that. This isn't floppy disks, nor CD-ROM, this is USB-A format that has billions of active peripherals in use every day.

Having half the Thunderbolt 3 ports will only give half the power of those ports, though. Again, the MBP maximizes the power of the ports in a very compact way.

I use as many USB-A peripherals as I please by adding a cheap, tiny adapter on the end of their cables. Not a significant issue for me, but it may bother others intensely.
 
GREAT!!! And having one or two USB-C ports on the new MBP would also give you that. This isn't floppy disks, nor CD-ROM, this is USB-A format that has billions of active peripherals in use every day.
That's what the adapters are for. In the coming years we'll see more native TB3 and USB-C peripherals. It's already becoming the standard for Android phones. Yes, it would have been nice if Apple had included some of the adapters given the starting price, but I suspect that the "temporary" price reduction for the adapters will become permanent.
 
The complaints I personally have about the current MacBook Pro is, now that mines personally is starting to fall apart due to heavy usage etc.. I can't bloody afford to buy another! It's not just slightly more expensive, but put it this way:


Mid 2012 MacBook Pro 13" - £999


Late 2016 MacBook Pro 13" (current model) £1,449

^ and that still lacks the biggest, most innovative and impressive feature!!!


Almost 1.5 times the price. We have every right to complain.




You certainly have every right to rant. What you can’t afford doesn’t mean the cost isn’t justify. I don’t remember seeing anything around me cost less than a year ago. All prices went up. Just my income to catching it!



I hate to sound like people who irrationally hate on Tim Cook, but look, Steve Jobs wouldn't have released a brand new model with the entry-level iteration LACKING THE KEY FEATURE.




Maybe. Who knows? I guess the entry-level target audience is for someone that wants to stay in Apple’s eco-system but cannot afford the touch bar?


I can see a lot of people jumping ship to the Surface Pro camp, now that there's at least one other device with the same level of quality as Apple has offered us. Oh, and it has magnetic charging. A step back much for Apple?!


True true, I’d like to see a USB-C with magnetic charging. Maybe they will implement it and call it a ‘new’ feature?



It's not like there's much else to choose from, the MacBook Air starts at £949 and to be honest though it's not about the specs, the specs are weak for that price. The MacBook itself, stunning machine, but the price its at it might as well assume the place left behind by the 1-gen MBA which was overpriced to be considered an everyday computer until the 2010 release.


I'll not be able to afford one for a long time.

Lots of people are the same.

That's why we complain.


No point of complaining. Just don’t buy it (like me). If there are many like you/me then Apple will realize that they are pricing it wrong.
 
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I have no problem with the fact that Apple want to price this as a professional laptop, that's fine.

But what is quite annoying is that since 2009 when the 13" MacBook Pro became so so affordable many people like myself bought one and Apple made their other products like the Air more cutting edge, removing the upgradability and stuff (that's also fine, I admire them for it!). And boy, what a laptop it is. I've had a few, naively. A friend bought a 15" Pro in 2009, still working excellent today. They're like tanks. And you can upgrade the main guts too. All the better to me! I love the new MacBook Pros from the Retina to the just released models, Apple still have it.

The complaints I personally have about the current MacBook Pro is, now that mines personally is starting to fall apart due to heavy usage etc.. I can't bloody afford to buy another! It's not just slightly more expensive, but put it this way:

Mid 2012 MacBook Pro 13" - £999

Late 2016 MacBook Pro 13" (current model) £1,449
^ and that still lacks the biggest, most innovative and impressive feature!!!

Almost 1.5 times the price. We have every right to complain.

I hate to sound like people who irrationally hate on Tim Cook, but look, Steve Jobs wouldn't have released a brand new model with the entry-level iteration LACKING THE KEY FEATURE.

I can see a lot of people jumping ship to the Surface Pro camp, now that there's at least one other device with the same level of quality as Apple has offered us. Oh, and it has magnetic charging. A step back much for Apple?!

I don't particularly want a Surface Pro over my much loved and well setup Apple ecosystem and iCloud usage which I love, but given the cost of the new devices rising so quickly and so steep, that seems the best option.

It's not like there's much else to choose from, the MacBook Air starts at £949 and to be honest though it's not about the specs, the specs are weak for that price. The MacBook itself, stunning machine, but the price its at it might as well assume the place left behind by the 1-gen MBA which was overpriced to be considered an everyday computer until the 2010 release.

I'll not be able to afford one for a long time.
Lots of people are the same.
That's why we complain.
Come on one is a 2012 model machine. Not sure it is even comparable. Would you compare the price of a 4 year old vehicle to that of a current model vehicle?
 
Sure, you can earn more to be able to afford it easier...

But the point was.. If Apple believes the MacBook Pro should be priced so highly, why did they get so many of us onboard in 2009 with such a low cost Pro option?! And why abort that strategy now, and spike the price?!

Well it was 7 years ago there has been massive changes in the world economy many prices have gone up as much, and if you are outside the US you are dealing with hugely fluctuating exchange rates at the moment at least £250 of the price increase in the U.K. Was down to the plummeting pound, add in vastly different tax laws and they aren't that much different when you take inflation and the new technology costs into account.
 
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Are there cheaper options? yes, are they costly? yes, are they the most expensive laptops out there?.. abso-flaming-lutely not!!!

Their prices as far as professional "business" laptops go is mid range at best.

Why don't people complain about this in the windows world? Now this is expensive!!!!

http://m.dell.com/mt/www.dell.com/n...ion/pd?un_jtt_v_MPLP=yes&fl=m&un_jtt_redirect

I don't know what those prices are, but I'm pretty sure they're related to that being the NZ site. I got a 7510 recently, significantly higher specs than that, for $2,200 in the US.
 
Well it was 7 years ago there has been massive changes in the world economy many prices have gone up as much, and if you are outside the US you are dealing with hugely fluctuating exchange rates at the moment at least £250 of the price increase in the U.K. Was down to the plummeting pound, add in vastly different tax laws and they aren't that much different when you take inflation and the new technology costs into account.

It was only a couple of months ago you could still buy an entry level MBP for £1000. The Pound is up as much as it has been down lately, not a real reason to change the pricing structure! It's still worth more than 1EUR and 1USD so it's a weak excuse to say the pound is performing badly!
 
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