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The only thing I was upset about was purchasing an HDA2 back in March for $400 Good thing I sold it for $180 before the clearance. I'm thinking of buying another player, but I am unsure. I can get either format cheap, directly from the manufacturer, since I work at CC. However, I loved having HD-DVD (King Kong, Transformers, TMNT) but was seriously missing all the great movies that Son/Fox offers. Next month, the Samsung dual format player is supposed to come out, so I'm waiting to see how that turns out.

As far as movie prices, that is of no concern to me. I use netflix's 3 at a time plan, so 12-15 movies a month at $14.99 or whatever it is isnt nearly as bad as buying 1 movie at $30 a pop. I never understood owning movies anyhow.
 
Well I did not mean to turn this into a format war. Both formats do the same thing and that is deliver HD quality movies to your HDTV. Everyone keeps saying it is over and Blu-ray has won, but unless you want a PS3 their stand alone players are still very expensive.

I wanted to try out new technology without spending megabucks on it. HD-DVD players are going to be very popular as a Christmas gift this year because of price. I think Toshiba figures if you sell enough players then media sales for those players will pick up. Sears says my player will be in at my local store tomorrow so hopefully I will have it up and running and give a report.

There is always the whole "space" argument, but a 51GB 3 layer HD-DVD has been approved for the drives now so it is getting to the point that either formats will hold enough data for HD content. The majority (like 60%) of Blu-ray movies right now are using a single layer (25GB) and most HD-DVD's are using a dual layer (30GB) disk.

Last, I don't know why a poster thinks that because I own a Mac that automatically means that I shouldn't buy anything but a Blu-ray player. If the HD-DVD format gives me the same or even very similar quality for less money why not? I can understand paying more for a Mac over a PC because of it's superior quality and operating system, but when it comes to Blu-ray or HD-DVD there just isn't much difference for the extra money. Both offer a high quality HD image and quality audio.

3 layer hd-dvd huh? of course ive heard of it. and have you heard that none of your players will actually play them? also, not all hd-dvd players (cheap toshibas) are 1080p, a waste of money IMO. the bitrate of HD-DVD is much lower also, so there are more artifacts.

and space does become a HUGE factor when you look at HD-DVD titles with STANDARD AUDIO included (due to space). thats just flat out unexcusable. thats why home theatre enthusiasts prefer blu-ray:

if you spend 2000+ dollars on a tv a few extra hundred bucks to make it look and sound the best is not only a smart choice, but the only choice.

it would be sad to see hd-dvd win, I understand its cheaper and its a capitalist society, but it is an inferior

Way to spread your misinformation. HD is not losing badly. Sales went through the roof with the price cut. Why pay 4x - 5x more for a BR player when the quality is the same and there is MORE content on HD (or haven't you heard about the 300 disc?). Sony's own CEO said that the HD war is at a stalemate with no end in sight. Yet BR fanboys keep up with the FUD.

I prefer HD, as Sony cannot be trusted. They wanted a piece of the royalties for next gen media and came up with BR causing this mess. They encourage region encoding and strict copy protection schemes - not surprising from the CD rootkit company. How long before they figure out a way to infect BR players?

it still has a 2-1 lead. and with the ps3 price cuts, the blu-ray base grew a lot as well.

you pay for 1080p, fullHD uncompressed audio, more storage space(havent you heard of the quad layer 100 gb disc?), and a higher bitrate

If you have a screen that does 1080p, it really doesn't matter if the player sends 1080i or 1080p.

From ProjectorCentral

this is a joke right?

when i upgraded to 1080p, i sure as hell noticied having twice as many pixels!

if your tv is NOT 1080p, you wouldnt know the difference
 
it still has a 2-1 lead. and with the ps3 price cuts, the blu-ray base grew a lot as well.

i would bet over 60% of people who have a PS3 dont use it for blu-ray

most of them are kids who dont have an HDTV, i know none of my friends who has a PS3 use it for Blu-ray
 
HDDVD and Blu-Ray are killing the dvd

[/Sarcasm]

Well anyhow 2 of my friends and I bought HD-DVD players at Sears tonight. They were selling the new Toshiba HD A3 player for $179.99. It comes with 2 HD-DVD's in the box along with another form you can send in for 5 free HDDVD's.

Anyhow the deal is on-line tonight as well. The same price until midnight that they will have on Black Friday. I know there is a lot of debate about the so called format war and a lot of people are upset that Toshiba is doing a cut-throat move this Christmas, but the way I look at it is if the format dies in a few years I won't feel bad at the price I paid.

Anyhow I am excited to see how HD-DVD will look on my HDTV compared to standard DVD's.

Toshiba is doing nothing that Sony wouldn't do to win, believe me.
 
HD-DVD players may have had a price cut, but so did the PS3 (from £499 to £299) which is not only a Blu-ray player but a games console, a music player, a WiFi internet browser, a computer (it runs full Linux) and much more, so I think thats a damn good deal.
 
i would bet over 60% of people who have a PS3 dont use it for blu-ray

most of them are kids who dont have an HDTV, i know none of my friends who has a PS3 use it for Blu-ray


basically, you are right. but, i think the number is actually more like 50% :eek:


although this is technically a bad thing for the sony/blu-ray camp, it makes the fact that blu is winning 2-1 even more impressive.

when describing "attachment" rates toshiba/microsoft include ps3s, but when talking about player sales they dont? I wonder why?
 
HD-DVD players may have had a price cut, but so did the PS3 (from £499 to £299) which is not only a Blu-ray player but a games console, a music playeryeah but who uses it to play music?, a WiFi internet browserhave you ever tried to use it to browse?, a computer (it runs full Linux) and much more...see previous response, so I think thats a damn good deal.

so...yeah

i do have a ps3, but i just use it for its main purpose, playing blu-ray cheaply and playing ps2 games (all of the ps3 games suck (warhawk is alright) or are available for 360 (much better controller))
 
What gives?

One answer: HD-DVD is region free. Blu-Ray is not.

Thus, I prefer HD-DVD.


I prefer HD-DVD for that reason too. What is with region locking in this day and age? I suppose they're not banking on people who, well, travel.

HD-DVD is also leading the way in Europe :) because we get films later than the US something region free is going to be very popular.

I want a HD-DVD player :eek:
 
I have noticed there a quite a few movies coming out on blu-ray but not HD-DVD, but there are also some that come out on both, but havent seen any that are only on HD-DVD... Although I do agree with that region thing tho, it does suck.
 
I have noticed there a quite a few movies coming out on blu-ray but not HD-DVD, but there are also some that come out on both, but havent seen any that are only on HD-DVD... Although I do agree with that region thing tho, it does suck.

Transformers
 
I prefer HD-DVD for that reason too. What is with region locking in this day and age? I suppose they're not banking on people who, well, travel.

HD-DVD is also leading the way in Europe :) because we get films later than the US something region free is going to be very popular.

hd-dvd is in fact, being dominated 4-1 in most european countries, including majors.

internationally speaking, blu-ray is dominating in europe, japan, australia

:D

seriously though, id hate to see blu-ray win, but i fear they might

transformers only on hd-dvd, spiderman 3 is only on blu ray.

although these numbers for both are highly disputed by eachothers camps, they sold roughly the same amount of numbers..


on dvd though, transformers outsold spidey3 by a 6x ratio. just imagine if transformers would have been on blu-ray as Micheal Bay intended and prefered!
 
I prefer HD-DVD for that reason too. What is with region locking in this day and age? I suppose they're not banking on people who, well, travel.

HD-DVD is also leading the way in Europe :) because we get films later than the US something region free is going to be very popular.

You do realize the DVD Forum (who controls the HD DVD spec) approved region coding capabilities for HD DVD in 2006? So far, no one is using it. But the notion that HD DVD will remain region free is a joke.

http://www.dvdforum.org/34scmtg-resolution.htm , Item #6

Both Blu-ray and HD DVD contain region coding capabilities—however, it's up to the film companies to decide whether or not to implement it.

The only reason HD DVD's region coding capabilities have not been implemented is because the particular film studios that WANT region coding are on the Blu-ray side.

If Blu-ray ever dies, and Disney, Sony and Fox move over to HD DVD—HD DVD region coding will be activated for their specific titles.

This just proves that these so-called "different" formats are practically the same all the way around (except the capacity of GBs per layer, 15 for HD DVD and 25 for Blu-ray).

Which makes this format war even more idiotic.
 
hd-dvd is in fact, being dominated 4-1 in most european countries, including majors.

internationally speaking, blu-ray is dominating in europe, japan, australia

Are you pulling numbers out of your ass now?

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/n...DDVD-software-adoption-figures-released.phtml

The findings also included a breakdown of attach rate according to country, each showing a positive attach rate in favor of HD DVD:

Spain: HD DVD owners have bought an average of 5.7 movies each (14 times the Blu-ray figure of 0.4 per player).
Italy: HD DVD owners have bought an average of 4.4 movies each (11 times the Blu-ray figure of 0.4 per player).
France: HD DVD owners have bought an average of 5 movies each (over 8 times the Blu-ray figure of 0.6 per player).
Benelux: HD DVD owners have bought an average of 2.9 movies each (over 7 times the 0.4 movies bought by Blu-ray owners)
Germany: HD DVD owners have bought an average of 2.9 movies each (which is over 4 times the 0.6 movies bought by Blu-ray owners)
UK: HD DVD owners have bought an average of 3.7 movies each (which is over 4 times the 0.8 movies bought by Blu-ray owners)
 
Are you pulling numbers out of your ass now?

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/n...DDVD-software-adoption-figures-released.phtml

The findings also included a breakdown of attach rate according to country, each showing a positive attach rate in favor of HD DVD:

Spain: HD DVD owners have bought an average of 5.7 movies each (14 times the Blu-ray figure of 0.4 per player).
Italy: HD DVD owners have bought an average of 4.4 movies each (11 times the Blu-ray figure of 0.4 per player).
France: HD DVD owners have bought an average of 5 movies each (over 8 times the Blu-ray figure of 0.6 per player).
Benelux: HD DVD owners have bought an average of 2.9 movies each (over 7 times the 0.4 movies bought by Blu-ray owners)
Germany: HD DVD owners have bought an average of 2.9 movies each (which is over 4 times the 0.6 movies bought by Blu-ray owners)
UK: HD DVD owners have bought an average of 3.7 movies each (which is over 4 times the 0.8 movies bought by Blu-ray owners)


no, im pulling these numbers from official press releases, and am not describingattach rates

when describing "attachment" rates toshiba/microsoft include ps3s, but when talking about player sales they dont? I wonder why?


attachment rates dont mean anything when only a handfull of people in all of europe have hd-dvd players, you do realize this right?

you are being spoon-fed, and loving it ;)

You do realize the DVD Forum (who controls the HD DVD spec) approved region coding capabilities for HD DVD in 2006? So far, no one is using it. But the notion that HD DVD will remain region free is a joke.

http://www.dvdforum.org/34scmtg-resolution.htm , Item #6

Both Blu-ray and HD DVD contain region coding capabilities—however, it's up to the film companies to decide whether or not to implement it.

The only reason HD DVD's region coding capabilities have not been implemented is because the particular film studios that WANT region coding are on the Blu-ray side.

If Blu-ray ever dies, and Disney, Sony and Fox move over to HD DVD—HD DVD region coding will be activated for their specific titles.

This just proves that these so-called "different" formats are practically the same all the way around (except the capacity of GBs per layer, 15 for HD DVD and 25 for Blu-ray).

Which makes this format war even more idiotic.

good point. as a consumer, i cant imagine anyone who desires region coding or added security, but if you think the next generation format will lack these features, your crazy!
 
no, im pulling these numbers from official press releases, and am not describingattach rates

link or it didnt happen

good point. as a consumer, i cant imagine anyone who desires region coding or added security, but if you think the next generation format will lack these features, your crazy!

with these features they supposedly keep piracy down and therefor keep the media prices lower, this is why you are supposed to desire them
 
Well they must be selling a few of them because I was supposed to get mine today and now it has been pushed back 10 days. They are back-ordered due to high demand.
 
this is a joke right?

when i upgraded to 1080p, i sure as hell noticied having twice as many pixels!

if your tv is NOT 1080p, you wouldnt know the difference

Please reread what I posted:

If you have a screen that does 1080p, it really doesn't matter if the player sends 1080i or 1080p.

you pay for 1080p, fullHD uncompressed audio

For the 1080p issue, see above, if your set does 1080p then it doesn't matter if it gets 1080p or 1080i (unless the content isn't encoded at 1080p, which the majority of blu and hd-dvds are).

As for the audio, HD-dvd requrires Dolby TrueHD audio and blu-ray has it as optional.
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/1064



Well they must be selling a few of them because I was supposed to get mine today and now it has been pushed back 10 days. They are back-ordered due to high demand.
Just got the one I ordered for my brother today.
 
Please reread what I posted:





For the 1080p issue, see above, if your set does 1080p then it doesn't matter if it gets 1080p or 1080i (unless the content isn't encoded at 1080p, which the majority of blu and hd-dvds are).

As for the audio, HD-dvd requrires Dolby TrueHD audio and blu-ray has it as optional.
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/1064




Just got the one I ordered for my brother today.


well as for the audio, this is slightly debunking of your whole theory....hd-dvd's trademark title "transformers" taken from highdefdigets.com

"The Audio: Rating the Sound

When audio specs for 'Transformers' were announced, there was a collective sigh of disappointment from early adopters when we learned that there would be no high-res audio tracks included on this disc. Given that this is such a flagship title for the studio, the decision was quite the head-scratcher.

Indeed, I had the opportunity to attend a special 'Transformers' media event with Paramount late last week, and the question was asked almost immediately -- why no Dolby TrueHD or uncompressed PCM? The studio's answer was that due to space limitations on the disc, the decision was made to limit the audio to Dolby Digital-Plus 5.1 Surround only (here at 1.5mbps). Unfortunately, this confirms the long-held theory that the 30Gb capacity of an HD-30 dual-layer HD DVD disc has forced studios to choose between offering a robust supplements package (as they've done here) and the very best in audio quality."

thats right you people! you have compressed audio on your hd-dvd, on your $3000+ theatre system, WEAK!!!!

link or it didnt happen

here is your link

othere exceprts:

"Home Theater Specialists of America (HTSA), the $500 million buying group for A/V specialty dealers and installers, has formally confirmed that it is backing Blu ray Disc technology based on sales trends among its 62 members.The group announced during the recent CEDIA Expo that it will make Blu-ray Disc its exclusive format choice for High Definition disc players. According to the results of an internal study released today, 92 percent of category sales by HTSA members were in Blu-ray Disc players, with the balance comprised mostly of dualformat players that combine BD and HD-DVD playback capability."

"At the same time the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) has announced that Blu-ray Disc movie sales across European territories are continuing to move ahead of HDDVD. For example, in the UK market figures show BD to be outselling HD DVD by a margin of 4 to 1.In response to this dynamic growth in BD sales volumes, the content industry is responding by seeking to create more BD titles. More and more European independent distributors are embracing Blu-ray Disc – key influencers such as Universum Film in Germany, StudioCanal in France and EiV in the UK have announced BD release slates for the critical run-up to the Christmas holiday season."



europe, australia, japan is blu ray. early word, so is china. big markets.

Please reread what I posted:

For the 1080p issue, see above, if your set does 1080p then it doesn't matter if it gets 1080p or 1080i (unless the content isn't encoded at 1080p, which the majority of blu and hd-dvds are).

Just got the one I ordered for my brother today.

motley, just like the audio you are wrong. IF your set does 1080p (which I doubt it is, and hope it isnt since you already went budget with your player) and your player is outputting 1080i, the tv would be upconverting the image into 1080p. it does matter, and I do notice the difference, as do most.

example: I have a 1080p player and a 1080p tv, with my ps3, so I have 1:1 pixel mapping on my 46'' 1080p tv. its nice, and not possible with your toshiba.
 
monkeytap, exactly how much money do you have invested in Sony Corp. anyhow? (just joking) Anyhow Sony has spent years pushing around the little companies and I am glad that Toshiba is putting up a fight to them. Your right Blu-ray has advantages, but so does HD-DVD. HD-DVD has a cost advantage and the first company that can get the prices of the HD media lower will be very attractive to the consumer.

I don't even own a 1080p HDTV so why would I spend more money on a 1080p player? If I ever upgrade to a 1080p HDTV then I would upgrade to a better player, however considering that 1080p HDTV's can upscale a 1080i image to a 1080p image I doubt that there is going to be a huge amount of difference in on a 42" or less TV. I think one could argue there is very little difference right now between a 720p/1080i picture over a 1080p picture on a 42" or less HDTV.

If Toshiba and HD-DVD win this fight there is a good chance that everyone that wants to buy HD content on disk will be able to afford it. If Sony wins they will hold the price high claiming better technology and it will end up being a luxury only device. If you think Sony is going to let any budget brands in on Blu-ray then you are kidding yourself.
 
i wonder why they are so cheap?hmmm...they are trying desperately to get rid of them because BLU-RAY won the battle.:Dlol
 
motley, just like the audio you are wrong. IF your set does 1080p (which I doubt it is, and hope it isnt since you already went budget with your player) and your player is outputting 1080i, the tv would be upconverting the image into 1080p. it does matter, and I do notice the difference, as do most.

example: I have a 1080p player and a 1080p tv, with my ps3, so I have 1:1 pixel mapping on my 46'' 1080p tv. its nice, and not possible with your toshiba.

Every legitimate source I've read says you're wrong on the 1080i bit. I've believe avs and projector central over you, sorry. And if you read my posts the player isn't for me.
 
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