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I got an HDDVD player tonight
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Yeah, but in all honesty that could be a few years from actual release and it's uncertain if a firmware update could add it to current players. It really is just an attempt to fend off people talking about Blu-Rays higher capacity.
Skimming AVSforum the rumors are that the 2nd and 3rd gen can play them and that only recently they got the 1st gen to play them. Announcement of 3 layer discs in January. rumor
Still all depends on how reliable the manufacturing is, so it could still be a while.
you must not have seen this is my earlier post...yes, current hd-dvd players will not be playing the 51 gb disc that was recently announced. it was to hush everyone talking about how hd-dvd discs dont have enough space for HD movies/audio (cause they dont)
also, blu-ray has developed a 100+ GB disc (four layer) that only requires a firmare upgrade and not new hardware.
cost per gb is cheaper on blu-ray btw, even with the 1 year head start hd-dvd had.
ok, well im assuming when you say "a 1080 tv" you mean a 1080P tv. obviously it would have to deinterlace a 1080i signal.
what I was arguing, is that there is a noticeable difference if you receive a 1080p or 1080i signal. a BIG difference! its just hard to ever see it when you have hd-dvd.
1:1 pixel mapping vs deinterlacing.
i wonder why they are so cheap?hmmm...they are trying desperately to get rid of them because BLU-RAY won the battle.lol
or why they didnt include an hd-dvd drive in the xbox 360 elite.
but yeah, im 75% sure they already know they lost, just trying to milk it to the very end
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/1110/transformers.html
It's not that I have a $3000+ sound system, but can one tell the difference with a high bit rate compressed audio and uncompressed PCM? Isn't it extremely close anyways (bandwidth wise?). Sure, you don't have the bragging rights to say that it isn't "Uncompressed", but if it's mixed well and sounds good, why complain?
Going back to the DTS/Dolby Digital debate, there were some films that were mixed almost the same, some even had better sounding DD tracks than their DTS counterparts.
Just my $0.02
gB
If you are 75% sure they have lost, why are Toshiba HDDVD players backordered due to high demand right now? Many of us who ordered them got pushed back a week or two.
I'm not going to make any prediction on who the winner is at this time. Blu-ray has claimed being the winner before they even sold their first player, however now Sony is finally calling the war a stale-mate. If Sony did not have millions and millions of $$$ to throw at Blu-ray they would be gone by now. This is David versus Goliath and I am happy to see David making Goliath's life rough right now.
You can keep saying that Blu-ray is better in specs. This is true, however HD-DVD does just as good of job for the majority of consumers. If HD-DVD wins we will see an affordable solution to HD video for everyone. If Blu-ray wins Sony will make sure that the technology stays proprietary and expensive. You will never see $100 Blu-ray players at your local Wal-Mart or $9.95 movie specials on Blu-ray. You might be rich enough to have only the best, but many of us want a great experience at a great price.
Well said! If Blu-ray prevails Sony will be sure and squeeze every last penny out of the end consumer. I can't wait till I can stroll out of Wal-Mart with an $80 Sony HD-DVD player in 2010
this is not david vs goliath, you must be kidding. did you miss the 150 million buyout of paramount? they would rather payoff companies for support than reinvest in their product, and win based on merits. sony has millions to throw at blu-ray, do you honestly think MICROSOFT has less money to throw?
they are backordered because the prices were lowered, its pretty simple, and I already aknowledged it. when you are paying less for what the prodcut is actually worth (manufact cost) it will sell a lot. and if they had confidence in their format, the prices would not be this low.
I am glad you have finally aknowledged that blu ray has better specs. I am not rich, just graduated college in may, making good money now, but its not like i have money to throw around. BUT when I spend nearly 2 grand on a TV, I demand the same standard of quality in my player, and hd-dvd does not bring it. you are just throwing **** around now, and thats fine..you can believe sony is out to get you until you need to go blu. and actually, Ive never paid more that $20 for any of my blu's and have got 3-4 for less than $10 (all of which are in 1080p)
maybe you need to question whether HD tv is "for" you, that is if you cannot afford it, especially if your spending money on a sinking format that you know little about.
your argument substituted with a few words:
windows does just as good of job for the majority of consumers. you might be rich enough to have only the best (apple) but many of us want a great experience at a great price.
now imagine if this reasoning made you HAVE to use windows, thats how i feel with HD-DVD. I dont want the best titles (transformers) having compressed audio and have to deal with lack of space.
Well said! If Blu-ray prevails Sony will be sure and squeeze every last penny out of the end consumer. I can't wait till I can stroll out of Wal-Mart with an $80 Sony HD-DVD player in 2010
and microsoft wont? there is a 30% failure rate on the XBOX 360 and its never been recalled, thats borderline criminal. sony has a superior product so they charge more, its high-def, its not like they are making people buy it or pay the premium (but they are, I havent mentioned this is a while, but blu-ray is still winning)
I have never thought I would run into so much microsoft love on a macrumors thread. but you guys are trying to justify those $200 you saved.
you will overlook the unexcusable fact that its not FullHD and its not uncompressed audio, all because its cheap! ohhh you silly stereotypical americans, go buy more hi def equipment from wal mart
I would put my money where my mouth is, but Michael Bay, director of Transformers has already done it for me. link
Exceprt:
"However, that hasn't stopped the outspoken director from declaring Blu-ray as the ultimate victor. "It's short-sighted and it has delayed consumers' moving to HD (home video)," he told USA Today. "As a director, my critical eye is that Blu-ray is where my money is. Consumers are smart, and they are going to wait it out."
wait, I already know what your gonna say.....
"BUT, ITS CHEAP"
For someone that makes claims like, "I'm 75% sure that Sony has won it" and "all of you putting money into a sinking format" I'm not exactly sure why you are defending Sony. They have it won right? So why do you even need to defend them.
You seem to think that everyone should put up thousands of dollars in order to have HD. Basically if they don't want to throw all of their money on it (or charge up their cards) they don't deserve it. I have a 42" Vizio LCD HDTV. I am sure it is not something that you would own, but it works well for me and it does give me a MUCH better picture then my old CRT analog TV did. I wish there were more programs in HD, but that is the reason why I decided to get an HD-DVD player.
I don't think there is as much love for Microsoft around here as there is hate for Sony. Let's just put a huge corporation that has control over 1/2 the movie studios complete control over the format it is sold on. If HD-DVD did win this thing I wonder if it will feel the same for Sony the day their first HD-DVD player comes off the line as it did when their first VHS VCR did!
You seem to think that everyone should put up thousands of dollars in order to have HD. Basically if they don't want to throw all of their money on it (or charge up their cards) they don't deserve it. I have a 42" Vizio LCD HDTV. I am sure it is not something that you would own, but it works well for me and it does give me a MUCH better picture then my old CRT analog TV did. I wish there were more programs in HD, but that is the reason why I decided to get an HD-DVD player.
I don't think there is as much love for Microsoft around here as there is hate for Sony. Let's just put a huge corporation that has control over 1/2 the movie studios complete control over the format it is sold on. If HD-DVD did win this thing I wonder if it will feel the same for Sony the day their first HD-DVD player comes off the line as it did when their first VHS VCR did!
I got the A2 from the Walmart for $98.00, and the thing is just awesome, HD-DVDs look fantastic, and everything works like a charm, couldn't be happier
You know I find the proprietary talk hilarious. They are BOTH proprietary formats DEVELOPED and OWNED by two separate JAPANESE companies. Blu-ray is no more proprietary than HD DVD.
The underlying disc technology of HD DVD is owned by Toshiba, and of course Blu-ray is owned by Sony.
I think the enthusiasts on both sides of the "war", need to take a hard look at the history of both formats.
You can start with their respective wikipedia entries:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray
Roughly Drafted's Daniel Dilger also has a good series of articles (although somewhat pro Blu-ray) on the format war in general.
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/08/29/origins-of-the-blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-war/
The underlying disc technology of HD DVD is owned by Toshiba, and of course Blu-ray is owned by Sony.
I think the enthusiasts on both sides of the "war", need to take a hard look at the history of both formats.
You can start with their respective wikipedia entries:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray
Roughly Drafted's Daniel Dilger also has a good series of articles (although somewhat pro Blu-ray) on the format war in general.
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/08/29/origins-of-the-blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-war/
I can't believe all of you defending/buying HD-DVD--that is a vote for Microsoft!
Blu-ray is the winner---just support it or else you support Microsoft. Neither Sony nor Microsoft are a great company, but who is the lesser evil?
It makes me sick to read on Macrumors how many people own an Xbox 360! Completely sick!
Blu-ray is the winner---just support it or else you support Microsoft. Neither Sony nor Microsoft are a great company, but who is the lesser evil?
It makes me sick to read on Macrumors how many people own an Xbox 360! Completely sick!
Are you really this stupid or are you just trolling? How much does Sony LOSE on every single PS3 they have ever sold?
Guys, there is no rational argument possible with Monkeytap. He has contradicted himself multiple times already in this thread. The guy insists on seeing everything through Sony-colored glasses. When Toshiba drops their prices, it's because they are desperate. Last month when Sony dropped the price of the PS3, that was just a really good deal. Next week when Sony is going to offer FIFTEEN BR movies with PS3 purchase, that's just because it's a really good deal. Later this year when the Chinese discounters bring in HD players for well under $100, that's because Toshiba is desperate.
Leave it to this guy to turn abercrombie's simple post about getting a good deal into a format war and single-handedly keeping the flames going.
Pirates of the Carrabien at Worlds End is only on Blu-ray.
I think what we need at the moment is a multi-format player really, but when one comes out it will probably be file £1000 anyway.
I agree! I refuse to buy a XBOX 360 because its made by Microsoft and last time I checked, I dont think it does HD-DVD eather....
Seriously, im going to wait and see what happens before I buy anything.
Who is the lesser of the two evils? Microsoft. For sure.
I'd rather "vote" for Microsoft 100 times over before I even considered supporting Sony.
I have a feeling that your post was satirical/sarcastic, though. I hope it was.
Since when was Sony more evil than Microsoft? Sure, they installed a few rootkits here and there but Micro$oft is worse than $ony any day.
whoa whoa whoa. who is this guy?
even abercrombie boy admits that blu ray is better, and thats what i am arguing.
and I can say toshiba is desperate because they were losing badly, it got close again with those price cuts and paramount, but still blu ray wins in sales. when you are winning, price cuts arent desperation, more like protection, IMO. and I dont consider this a contradiction, its an opinion!
if i contradicted some sort of fact, please repost and be more specific.
I said the "specs are better" never said it was the better HD solution for the average consumer. The best HD solution for the consumer comes down to 2 things 1) price 2) performance for the price. In those 2 areas HD-DVD is the winner. I am sure you could do a hidden test using a top of the line 1080p Blu-ray player and a top of the line 1080p HD-DVD player and 98% of people would have a hard time telling you which video feed was coming from what format.
I want to try HD disks because I have a new HDTV, but I don't want to tie up hundreds and hundreds of dollars into equipment when not even Sony can tell us the war is over. You said that you are all but certain Warner is going Blu-ray, but everything I have read looks like they are seriously considering a shift to HD-DVD. I also did some research on Blu-ray players and I don't get all this so-called "profile" stuff. There is like a 1.0 or a 1.1 or even something about a 2.0 and some players can't play certain items depending on the profile. That all is confusing to me. I read about HD-DVD and everything I found states that it just works. The specifications are set and it seems to be a finished product. Blu-ray disks do hold more and that is the big advantage, but everything I have read says that 30GB is plenty for almost all movies produced and if more space is needed, extras can be put onto a 2nd disk.
Anyhow I never intended this thread to get into a format war discussion. Blu-ray has it's advantages and HD-DVD has it's. It really comes down to what gives you the most bang for buck. In my opinion, right now, HD-DVD does. My main intent of this thread is for value conscious customers to know that there are some really good deals on Toshiba HD-A3 players right now. If they, like me, own an HDTV and want to watch movies in HD it won't cost them a lot of money.
but in the end you will end up paying more. and everything you read doesnt say that 30GB is plenty, unless you missed the article where transformers was cut short due to space, and we are talking your best title.
where have you read warner is going hd-dvd? is it hidef.com? anyone can say they think warner is going hd-dvd, but thats not what the horses mouth is saying. "we are commited to blu-ray"
The same Micheal Bay that said:
"Last night at dinner I was having dinner with three blu-ray owners, they were pissed about no Transformers Blu-ray and I drank the kool aid hook line and sinker. So at 1:30 in the morning I posted - nothing good ever comes out of early am posts mind you - I over reacted. I heard where Paramount is coming from and the future of HD and players that will be close to the $200 mark which is the magic number. I like what I heard.
As a director, I'm all about people seeing films in the best quality possible, and I saw and heard firsthand people upset about a corporate decision.
So today I saw 300 on HD, it rocks!"
Way to keep spreading the FUD monkeyboy.
There are rumors all over the net that Warner is going HD-DVD exclusive.
You can see it in recent releases too, like the Matrix Trilogy is HD-DVD only. But nothing we say will get through to you. Keep on trying to justify the money you wasted on Blu-Ray.
as long there is no unified format sales of players won't take off ...
this so called "format war" is more or less still a private format party since after all sales are still so far behind the ordinary DVD that it will very likely take so long to overtake DVD that there will be already a replacement on the horizon
no matter what you buy you will end up a laserdisc
this so called "format war" is more or less still a private format party since after all sales are still so far behind the ordinary DVD that it will very likely take so long to overtake DVD that there will be already a replacement on the horizon
no matter what you buy you will end up a laserdisc
its not me spreading the "FUD" and yes it is the same Michael Bay.
if you didnt just stop reading when you read what you wanted, you would have seen this...
regarding transformers sales on hd-dvd:
"It's short-sighted and it has delayed consumers' moving to HD," he commented. "As a director, my critical eye is that Blu-ray is where my money is. Consumers are smart, and they are going to wait it out." (10-23-07)
"I want people to see my movies in the best formats possible. For them to deny people who have Blu-ray sucks! They were progressive by having two formats. No Transformers 2 for me!" (after paramount decision)
its not a big deal to me that the day after he says "300 on HD rocks", you can take the sloppy sloppy seconds. when speaking his mind without contractual obligations we know what side he is on.
so, if you still think michael bay WANTS to be in the hd-dvd camp, your wrong.
recent releases huh? you can point to releases 6 months ago, but....
id rather have the VP of High Definition Media for Warner point out the huge sales of '300' on Blu-ray, and further comment, "We are committed to the format."
that was earlier this month
Right, he's so committed, that his company hasn't bothered to renew their contract with Blu-Ray.
please link your source. i have a feeling you wont.
but IF you do, and IF its not a blog, id be very surprised...
no surpises from it5five? i thought for a second you might have had something credible to say, but you dissappeared just like hd-dvd will. ;-)
just playing, but seriously...what happened?
im being accused of spreading FUD, from these guys?
Just curious why Blu-ray is better, for those claiming it is. Because the disc can hold more media?
According to this http://www.physorg.com/news4052.html they have developed a triple layer hd-dvd that can hold 45gb.
edit- I see the 3 layer info has already been posted.
According to this http://www.physorg.com/news4052.html they have developed a triple layer hd-dvd that can hold 45gb.
edit- I see the 3 layer info has already been posted.