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Bc, like most of my other annoyances, it gets in the way. It's way too close to "done", I constantly accidentally click it. Very annoying for such an unpopular infrequently used feature.
It's placement isn't really any closer than the placement of other controls in other apps. It's how things are in iOS 7 and realistically something like this isn't exactly bad or wrong, seems like in this type of case you should get used to taping controls properly as it's not a hard thing to do and isn't much to complain about.
 
It's placement isn't really any closer than the placement of other controls in other apps. It's how things are in iOS 7 and realistically something like this isn't exactly bad or wrong, seems like in this type of case you should get used to taping controls properly as it's not a hard thing to do and isn't much to complain about.

Fair enough, although I think it is closer than others. It's also completely useless to most people just another feature Apple shoved down our throats.

Btw, have you noticed when you swipe to delete calls it opens the call details as if you hit "( i )"? The only way to avoid doing this is to swipe from the middle. Another unnecessary flaw.
 
Fair enough, although I think it is closer than others. It's also completely useless to most people just another feature Apple shoved down our throats.

Btw, have you noticed when you swipe to delete calls it opens the call details as if you hit "( i )"? The only way to avoid doing this is to swipe from the middle. Another unnecessary flaw.

I can swipe from the far right (starting with the "I") to delete a call. The only time it opens the call details is if I swipe very slowly. If I swipe at normal/fast speed, it brings up the option to delete, no problem, every time.
 
I can swipe from the far right (starting with the "I") to delete a call. The only time it opens the call details is if I swipe very slowly. If I swipe at normal/fast speed, it brings up the option to delete, no problem, every time.

Yeah for some reason it doesn't for me
 
Fair enough, although I think it is closer than others. It's also completely useless to most people just another feature Apple shoved down our throats.

Btw, have you noticed when you swipe to delete calls it opens the call details as if you hit "( i )"? The only way to avoid doing this is to swipe from the middle. Another unnecessary flaw.
Well, if it wasn't for the shared links there would be some other tab/control there, so it still wouldn't change much in that respect.

As for deleting calls, yes, more often it seems to activate the details screen, the simple solution is to swipe a bit closer to the middle than the right edge. Is it a bit different and could it be better? Yes, probably. Is it something that is really a "flaw" let alone one that most give much thought beyond the first one or two times they try it and realize how to do it differently now.
 
Well, if it wasn't for the shared links there would be some other tab/control there, so it still wouldn't change much in that respect.

As for deleting calls, yes, more often it seems to activate the details screen, the simple solution is to swipe a bit closer to the middle than the right edge. Is it a bit different and could it be better? Yes, probably. Is it something that is really a "flaw" let alone one that most give much thought beyond the first one or two times they try it and realize how to do it differently now.
It's a lot easier to swipe from the far right, hence why it was the original action that was used.
 
It's a lot easier to swipe from the far right, hence why it was the original action that was used.


I just tried this out (it's not a feature I use often) and in all honesty I don't know what you're talking about. The "i" for info is quite clear so obviously when you go to swipe you avoid that, and naturally swipe from the middle. Which works absolutely fine. I didn't have to think about it, I just naturally gestured a few calls away and off they went, no problem.

I understand you maybe struggling to adapt if you used it often the other way.. But to say there's anything inherently better about the way it was originally? Nope, don't see that.
 
I just tried this out (it's not a feature I use often) and in all honesty I don't know what you're talking about. The "i" for info is quite clear so obviously when you go to swipe you avoid that, and naturally swipe from the middle. Which works absolutely fine. I didn't have to think about it, I just naturally gestured a few calls away and off they went, no problem.

I understand you maybe struggling to adapt if you used it often the other way.. But to say there's anything inherently better about the way it was originally? Nope, don't see that.

I hope you're right and that I adapt to it. I usually don't have a problem adapting to changes as long as they aren't less intuitive/ergonomic. Many of the other changes in iOS 7 are, however, especially those in Safari, autocorrect, Messages and the app switcher.
 
that would be your subjective experience.

most people i know use read receipts, especially the most tech savvy of my friends, including people that work in the tech world, technology reporters for publications like the business insider, etc. that is my subjective experience.

and the rest of my post detailed other instances beyond read receipts that make the change useful.

perhaps there is a jailbreak hack that reverts functionality back to taking you to the new message when you hit the icon. i find jailbreak to be a very useful tool for people like yourself that are looking for very specific tweaks that suit their subjective needs.

I've read quite a bit on read receipts since then, and find that tech journalists, forum posters and almost everyone else who has spoken on the subject have more or less universally confirmed that the overwhelming majority of iPhone users have read receipts turned off.

Why on earth would they cater to the minority??

At the very least there should be an option to go "directly to newest message" or "open list of conversations".
 
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I just tried this out (it's not a feature I use often) and in all honesty I don't know what you're talking about. The "i" for info is quite clear so obviously when you go to swipe you avoid that, and naturally swipe from the middle. Which works absolutely fine. I didn't have to think about it, I just naturally gestured a few calls away and off they went, no problem.

I understand you maybe struggling to adapt if you used it often the other way.. But to say there's anything inherently better about the way it was originally? Nope, don't see that.

After reevaluating the function I have discovered something. I was wrong and the original action was actually a swipe to the right. I forget the specific reason why this was reversed but I remember reading it somewhere. This was easier in general for the right handed majority as your thumb is already almost fully extended mid screen and poised to make the left to right swipe. Now you have to extend it backward (right) and then back to the middle where it was in most apps (mail, messages), then back to the right to hit "delete", then finally back to it's resting place in the center of the screen requiring 4 motions instead of the original 2 - one swift swipe to the right-delete, then back to the resting position.

If you think I'm being anal, I'm not. I'm just being technical and specific. On a small scale these may seem like nitpicks/minutiae, but when these are actions performed dozens of times a day it becomes very noticeable and tedious when for years it was quick and efficient.
 
After reevaluating the function I have discovered something. I was wrong and the original action was actually a swipe to the right. I forget the specific reason why this was reversed but I remember reading it somewhere. This was easier in general for the right handed majority as your thumb is already almost fully extended mid screen and poised to make the left to right swipe. Now you have to extend it backward (right) and then back to the middle where it was in most apps (mail, messages), then back to the right to hit "delete", then finally back to it's resting place in the center of the screen requiring 4 motions instead of the original 2 - one swift swipe to the right-delete, then back to the resting position.



If you think I'm being anal, I'm not. I'm just being technical and specific. On a small scale these may seem like nitpicks/minutiae, but when these are actions performed dozens of times a day it becomes very noticeable and tedious when for years it was quick and efficient.

It was either way before, right or left, however as far as appropriate UX goes Apple figured out that swiping to the left was more appropriate for this action and made that as the action. Swiping to the right is for the back action which is used throughout the OS now. Everything works out and makes a good amount of sense.

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I've read quite a bit on read receipts since then, and find that tech journalists, forum posters and almost everyone else who has spoken on the subject have more or less universally confirmed that the overwhelming majority of iPhone users have read receipts turned off.



Why on earth would they cater to the minority??



At the very least there should be an option to go "directly to newest message" or "open list of conversations".

Read receipts or not it makes good sense to go to the message list when there are new messages do that you can select which one you want to read. The one potential improvement is perhaps in case of a single new message or perhaps new messages from just a single conversation where going into it directly might be more useful. That said either way in that case it's far from anything big.

Once again we keep in circling the same exact thing over and over. All of this has been discussed multiple times over. Is there a point to you consistently bringing up the same threads up with the same repeated comments again and again? Nothing new is being brought up, what's the point of just regurgitating the same thing?
 
It was either way before, right or left, however as far as appropriate UX goes Apple figured out that swiping to the left was more appropriate for this action and made that as the action. Swiping to the right is for the back action which is used throughout the OS now. Everything works out and makes a good amount of sense.

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Read receipts or not it makes good sense to go to the message list when there are new messages do that you can select which one you want to read. The one potential improvement is perhaps in case of a single new message or perhaps new messages from just a single conversation where going into it directly might be more useful. That said either way in that case it's far from anything big.

Once again we keep in circling the same exact thing over and over. All of this has been discussed multiple times over. Is there a point to you consistently bringing up the same threads up with the same repeated comments again and again? Nothing new is being brought up, what's the point of just regurgitating the same thing?

Not trying to repeat anything, I learned a lot of new info in these last few comments.

You're right, it did go both ways. I wish it still did. What do you mean the back action though? SwipeBack only works from the far left edge of the screen, this wouldn't conflict at all.

As for read receipts, yes that would be an improvement but I still much preferred the fluidity of opening it right to the message.
 
Not trying to repeat anything, I learned a lot of new info in these last few comments.



You're right, it did go both ways. I wish it still did. What do you mean the back action though? SwipeBack only works from the far left edge of the screen, this wouldn't conflict at all.



As for read receipts, yes that would be an improvement but I still much preferred the fluidity of opening it right to the message.


Even if it's from the edge it would be way too cluttered and complex and even irrational to have swipe from the edge be one action and swipe from a little off the edge be another action. Perhaps some might want it that way but that is not how normal UX design works or makes sense. So
the swipe to right is for back action when performed from the edge. And swipe to delete or reveal more actions is to the left.

As for the messages, as already previously discussed a number of times, for quite a few people going to conversation view is preferable and makes more sense, even of for some a different way might work better. That's really all there's to it, again, as mentioned a few times before.
 
It's a lot easier to swipe from the far right, hence why it was the original action that was used.
As far as UX to reveal a delete action, going for easier is actually not the best thing as you'd want to make an action more deliberate rather than completely simplistic and prone to even accidental use. Thus even more support to it being only done one way and the less "natural" way perhaps to make it more deliberate. (And again, there's the whole new swipe to go back that takes over the swiping the other way now as well.)
 
Op hasn't used an iPad Air or iPhone 5s. On which I get excellent performance with ios 7. That a7 chips is really fast. I did how ever have stutter lag crashes and what not on my iPad 2. But then again that device is a little over three years old.
 
As far as UX to reveal a delete action, going for easier is actually not the best thing as you'd want to make an action more deliberate rather than completely simplistic and prone to even accidental use. Thus even more support to it being only done one way and the less "natural" way perhaps to make it more deliberate. (And again, there's the whole new swipe to go back that takes over the swiping the other way now as well.)

Yeah I can see that.

What on earth were they thinking turning the word "tonight" into a link to create a reminder??! What a pointless, gimmicky feature. No one uses it and it just stands out like a sore thumb.
 
Yeah I can see that.

What on earth were they thinking turning the word "tonight" into a link to create a reminder??! What a pointless, gimmicky feature. No one uses it and it just stands out like a sore thumb.

No one? Hmmm. I use it all the time to create calendar entries. How is that pointless?

(In fact, it's useful enough that it's one of the patents involved in the big Samsung lawsuit. :))
 
No one? Hmmm. I use it all the time to create calendar entries. How is that pointless?

(In fact, it's useful enough that it's one of the patents involved in the big Samsung lawsuit. :))

Really?? That's crazy, I can't see how it would be useful on a regular basis.
 
Really?? That's crazy, I can't see how it would be useful on a regular basis.
Not to you, but many others. Everyone uses the phone differently as it fits their needs, nothing crazy about that.
 
People who get messages/emails about things happening tonight, tomorrow, etc? Seems pretty common and reasonable. I do that too.

Emails, that makes a little more sense. When I text someone "tonight" there is no reason it should do that.

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Not to you, but many others. Everyone uses the phone differently as it fits their needs, nothing crazy about that.

No one I've asked, of any age or demographic, uses this feature.
 
Emails, that makes a little more sense. When I text someone "tonight" there is no reason it should do that.

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No one I've asked, of any age or demographic, uses this feature.
That's what I was getting at--the world is WAY WAY bigger than anyone you have or even can ask, and people do use things in all kinds of ways. What you do and even all those you asked doesn't represent everyone or even anywhere close to the majority in any fashion.
 
That's what I was getting at--the world is WAY WAY bigger than anyone you have or even can ask, and people do use things in all kinds of ways. What you do and even all those you asked doesn't represent everyone or even anywhere close to the majority in any fashion.

Yeah I realize that. I would still be willing to bet you money that the vast majority of iPhone users are everyday joes who could care less about that feature.
 
Yeah I realize that. I would still be willing to bet you money that the vast majority of iPhone users are everyday joes who could care less about that feature.


And you'd be basing that bet on worthless assumptions and you might very well lose your money. Since none of here have the resources to survey or poll the full iPhone userbase we'll never know, but of course Apple do have the resources and probably carry out that sort of research all the time. And they included the feature.

Oh and yes, I use it, often. Have done for years.
 
And you'd be basing that bet on worthless assumptions and you might very well lose your money. Since none of here have the resources to survey or poll the full iPhone userbase we'll never know, but of course Apple do have the resources and probably carry out that sort of research all the time. And they included the feature.

Oh and yes, I use it, often. Have done for years.

The "tonight" becoming a calendar link feature has not been around for years, it's new to iOS 7.

And if you're implying that Apple, even if they had a way of knowing for sure the exact number of people who used a certain feature, bases all or any of their arrogant and forceful design choices on the consumer's best interests/desires, that's absolutely ridiculous. They have proven time and again they don't care a bit and will do what they want. That is most people's biggest complaint about them as a company.
 
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