I miss Steve Jobs.

[MBAir2010]

Remember when the Mac Book air that fit into an envelope had all those performance problems,

that is why I waited a year or two vigor the 2010 edition and finally ditched the G4 powerbook.....

I would rather have growing pains than what I'm dealing with Sequoia as I might revert to Monterey since no one at  knows or they lost care fro their products.

the other things you mentioned I did not experience since I just recently have a phone about a year or two ago and the others won't convince me that  is adequate under Timmy administration since they don't care about the 27 problems I experienced with  last year as a letter I mail dot Cupertino was ignored, as every successfully company nowadays, they simply do not care anymore.

now we can play Timmy VS Stevie tennis here for a week or so, but I'm not beating a dead horse anymore so I wish you well with anything  ya use and will ignore this forum.

oh Steve would never let this AI auto\-type fly!

 

[webkit]

I get the sense you think vision means being Nostradamus, never needing input, never changing your mind, just seeing the future in perfect clarity. That’s just not how reality works. Vision isn’t about predicting every detail perfectly, it’s about recognizing potential, making bold bets, and executing at a level no one else can match.

Jobs didn’t invent the smartphone, just like he didn’t invent the MP3 player or the GUI. But he saw what they could be when no one else did. Needing convincing on the iPhone doesn’t mean he lacked vision, it means he had high standards and didn’t greenlight half-baked ideas. That’s literally what made him great.

If you’re out here arguing that Jobs somehow lacked vision because he wasn’t the first guy waving an iPhone prototype around, you’re not uncovering some grand insight, you’re just fundamentally misunderstanding how innovation works.

I was simply responding to your comment that, "Jobs' vision was wildly successful: a “bicycle for the mind,” an iPhone in every pocket, the intersection of liberal arts and technology. Mission accomplished.”

Again, it was others (not Jobs) that saw iPhone's potential. If it was up to Jobs, the iPhone (Apple's most successful product to date) may never have even happened. Add to that unsuccessful products like Apple III, Apple Lisa, Power Mac G4 Cube, iPod Hi-Fi, iTunes Ping, etc., and I just don't see Jobs' vision as being as "wildly successful" as you seem to. Of course, that doesn't mean it was "wildly unsuccessful" either.

 

[webkit]

I feel like this is a very unfair take though.
They’re absolutely has been revisionist history regarding the Jobs era, if you developed a picture of Apple under Jobs via these comments he released computers for completely free and without a single bug.

But I think you illustrate part of what was so good about Steve, sure he thought his way was best, but he wasn’t above being convinced otherwise.
It wasn’t just the idea of Apple making a smart phone he was convinced about, the idea of third-party applications on the iPhone was something he had to be convinced about.
Video on the iPod, EBook readers, a smaller iPad, all of these things he had to be convinced of by someone else.
It was less that he always knew the right answer and more that he knew the right people.
Even something is simple and iconic as it is today with the name “iMac” Steve apparently pretty much had to be tricked into liking, he originally wanted to use the name “MacMan”. Could you imagine? If today we were talking about the release of the new M4 MacMan?

I am simply saying that when you take the good/successful and the bad/unsuccessful, I just don't see Jobs' vision as "wildly successful" as some seem to. I never suggested Jobs had no vision or was a complete failure.

 

[webkit]

Actually people said stupid stuff before the internet and stupid stuff was written in newspapers like for example "Letters to the Editor". Oh well.

Yes, people have been saying and doing stupid stuff for ages. Hundreds of television channels, 24 hour news, the internet, forums, social media, cameras nearly everywhere, etc. has just brought more and more of it to light.

 

[seanmcbay]

edit: I was being a little too mean spirited when I didn’t mean to be.

 

[jwdsail]

AVP was a hideously expensive prototype hyped as the future, but was largely forgotten as a novelty after the initial few months, and no scent of an affordable consumer version anytime soon if ever.

The AVP is especially annoying..

Because..

The AVP is a solid product.

Apple failed to follow through with it.

It lacks both a killer use-case, and a killer app.

I really want one, but can't justify it with it's current limitations (Mainly that you can't use it with existing Sim (flight/racing) hardware.)

Honestly, if they'd come up with something compelling on the software side, rather than shrugging their shoulders and leaving it to 3rd party devs to come up with something.. literally anything... as a killer app... they could have been selling like hotcakes.

Support for existing sim hardware would have moved a lot of these. If you've ever seen the $10k+ $20k+ setups some people build.. $3000 for the AVP, if it had been made to work with them? A drop in the bucket.

An updated version of QTVR that worked on any device, especially for editing/creation, but was best used on the AVP would have helped? Could you imagine if young users were handed the tools to create PhotoVR on their iPhones then could use that to build their own VR-games set in their backyards, neighborhoods, etc? Then could play those games on the AvP?

That's what the AvP needs to be more than a novelty. It needs to be the best way for you enjoy *interactive* content created by your kids, by your friends, etc. It needs to work with hardware already made to work with VR.. It needs killer apps/features that are *active* not passive... Not just staring silently into the abyss inhabited by Darth Mickey....

Leverage their sports partnerships and create AVP only workouts for Apple Fitness+.

Something!


Sigh.


Right now, the main use cases seem to be -

1. Microsoft Office ... ON YOUR FACE!!!

and

2. Disney+ and AppleTV+.. ON YOUR FACE!

I'm not interested in one, and while I may have loved the other when I was in a studio apartment, I could never have afforded it back then.

Right now, watching TV on my face would be a potential small improvement for travel I guess? But even the cheapest hotels I stay at when I do travel these days have TVs that are more than big enough, so plug in my AppleTV, put my AirPods in and it's great.. Can't even hear the obnoxious people upstairs clog dancing at 12am.


Apple has the opportunity to fix these limitations. They still have time to pull their heads out of their asses and make the AVP2 compatible with existing sim hardware... They still have time to make the killer *active* app(s) that will make the AvP more than a novelty...

Apple has enough money and talent to fix this.

They've fixed things in the past. They went from the Mac Portable to the PowerBooks. They went from the iOS not supporting anything but WebApps to a full featured 3rd party app economy. And, even though it took way way too long, they finally got rid of the god-forsaken butterfly keyboard.

The AvP is Schrödinger's Cat.

It has equal chances of being the next iPhone, or the next Pippin.

They can do this. They can make it the next iPhone.

I'm just not convinced that they *will* do it.


But, none of that changes the fact the the AVP is a solid product. It's a truly solid piece of tech. Apple just failed to follow through with it.

Which is so ***** annoying.

 

[VulchR]

AI is already incredibly useful and remarkably reliable. If you haven’t figured out how to make it work for you, that’s a skill issue.

Of course, there are limitations, it lacks intent, struggles with poorly annotated data, and isn’t suited for every scenario, like where “hallucinations” would be dire. But there’s no need to wait for some hypothetical better version. LLMs are already good enough for a whole lot of tasks today.

So I am not using AI right?

Apple is taking the sensible approach to AI and not falling for the never-ending hype about it. Apple's expertise is not invention but taking inventions of others when the technology is mature enough and incorporating them into their hardware and software. Right now for the average consumer AI is likely to cause more problems than offer advantages. That isn't a 'skill issue'. It is a product problem. Arguably it is why Siri is viewed as so mediocre - the technology just wasn't there yet when it was introduced. It is one example for which Apple jumped on a bandwagon too soon, and it looks like they're being more cautious now for a reason.

 

[racerhomie]

I miss Steve Jobs.
I'm tired of Apple releasing half-baked beta versions.
I'm tired of Apple trying, like Google and Samsung, to attract customers with unnecessary features like background removal from photos.
I'm tired of Tim Cook announcing things just days before any official release.
Where's the old, good Apple?

Are you for real? I miss the man and his work. He held up Apple with values that they hold up today. But some things will change since Tim Cook is a different person in leadership. But he has kept Apple running in the right direction, in the last 14 years

 

[TruthAboveAllElse]

I was simply responding to your comment that, "Jobs' vision was wildly successful: a “bicycle for the mind,” an iPhone in every pocket, the intersection of liberal arts and technology. Mission accomplished.”

Again, it was others (not Jobs) that saw iPhone's potential. If it was up to Jobs, the iPhone (Apple's most successful product to date) may never have even happened. Add to that unsuccessful products like Apple III, Apple Lisa, Power Mac G4 Cube, iPod Hi-Fi, iTunes Ping, etc., and I just don't see Jobs' vision as being as "wildly successful" as you seem to. Of course, that doesn't mean it was "wildly unsuccessful" either.

Jobs’ genius wasn’t in coming up with ideas himself, or even knowing which ones are best himself.

He pushed people and didn’t care so much about reputation, at least not about people thinking he was nice.

Most of all he surrounded himself with talented smart people. Oh, and he really cared.

 

[webkit]

Jobs’ genius wasn’t in coming up with ideas himself, or even knowing which ones are best himself.

He pushed people and didn’t care so much about reputation, at least not about people thinking he was nice.

Most of all he surrounded himself with talented smart people. Oh, and he really cared.

Ok, and Jobs was very resistant to the iPhone which was one of the ideas his team came up with. An idea he resisted that would go on to become Apple's most successful products to date. In addition, there were those various other ideas (whether his or not) that he moved ahead with that weren’t successful.

Again, I just don't see Jobs' vision as being as "wildly successful" as others seem to. Of course, that doesn't mean it was "wildly unsuccessful" either.

 

[iHorseHead]

I miss Steve Jobs.
I'm tired of Apple releasing half-baked beta versions.
I'm tired of Apple trying, like Google and Samsung, to attract customers with unnecessary features like background removal from photos.
I'm tired of Tim Cook announcing things just days before any official release.
Where's the old, good Apple?

I don't understand what the issue is, to be honest.
I think Apple missed its change to make Siri ChatGTP like back in the day. Steve Jobs definitely wasn't perfect. He was against the App Store, had horrible products names and as others have pointed out, times have changed.
A lot of the people miss Windows XP and Windows 7 too, but times have simply changed. As there are other people that miss the old Linkin Park, but it's not the 2000's anymore.

What would be different in your opinion if Steve was still alive? I think Steve would've pushed the AI. Back in 2011 I thought Siri should've been part of Mac OS X Lion, but they released it in 2017.

Thanks to Cook we got the M1 processor and Macs have never been better, to be honest. During Steve Jobs's era we had a lot of failures too, such as horrible motherboards (MacBook Pro 2008) and those cracks etc in white, plastic MacBooks.

And Launchpad's search function should have been part of Mac OS X Lion as well. Just to remind you that it looked like that and it was Steve Jobs era and people absolutely hated Mac OS X Lion, calling it a new Vista and complaining that Steve Jobs has lost it.

The fact that Apple is more successful now than ever shows that it isn't all that bad. Even back in 2011 I was thinking that Apple has missed so many oppurtunities. People already hated iTunes back then and were criticising it and they were criticising the Ping feature and people absolutely hated the iTunes.
This video was uploaded in 2012, after Steve Jobs had already passed away, but the issues were relevant even back in 2010, when Steve Jobs was alive.

Apple could've been the first company to do the music streaming thing, but they didn't and that's mainly because they wanted to sell iPods and they were forced to do what we have now because of Spotify.

Apple has definitely gotten a lot better, so no, I don't miss the Steve era and I don't see what would be different if he was still alive. I believe we'd have the same product lineup too and Apple would be still focused on AI.

And what do you mean you're tired of half baked beta versions? Don't you remember the first betas of Snow Leopard?

 

[Lift Bar]

So I am not using AI right?

Apple is taking the sensible approach to AI and not falling for the never-ending hype about it. Apple's expertise is not invention but taking inventions of others when the technology is mature enough and incorporating them into their hardware and software. Right now for the average consumer AI is likely to cause more problems than offer advantages. That isn't a 'skill issue'. It is a product problem. Arguably it is why Siri is viewed as so mediocre - the technology just wasn't there yet when it was introduced. It is one example for which Apple jumped on a bandwagon too soon, and it looks like they're being more cautious now for a reason.

I don’t disagree with Apple’s approach to AI. Integrating it into their ecosystem will likely be a winning strategy over time. No argument there.

Yes, if you’re struggling to leverage AI effectively, that’s a skill issue, much like learning to use a power drill. It doesn’t make you a bad person, it just means you haven’t developed that particular skill yet. No need to stress over it.

 

[cosmicc]

There was an element of suspense and excitement in the air every time Jobs took the stage. It was an era of constant innovation—full of surprises presented with personality. Jobs was one hell of a salesman.

 

[macnavarra]

I miss miss Universe.

 

[ArtOfWarfare]

I miss Steve Jobs.
I'm tired of Apple releasing half-baked beta versions.
I'm tired of Apple trying, like Google and Samsung, to attract customers with unnecessary features

I 100% agree with you up to this point...

like background removal from photos.

Uh... that's pretty nifty and it debuted under Steve Jobs with the name "Instant Alpha". Looking now, the oldest reference I can find to it is from 2013.

Oh, this is weird - I managed to find a mention of it from 2007... on MacRumors... by me:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/instant-alpha-export.405785/

Anyways, yeah, that feature is way, way older than Tim Cook and came during Steve Jobs. And it's quite useful.

I'm tired of Tim Cook announcing things just days before any official release.

This is how it worked under Steve Jobs. They rarely announced things before they were ready to ship. The original iPhone was unusual where they announced it 6 months ahead of time. In contrast, you have Tim Cook announcing stuff like Air Power which is... still not here, 7.5 years later. That announcement actually came closer to when Steve Jobs was still CEO (only 6 years into Tim Cook's reign) than today. Or to give another example of announcements coming way too early under Tim Cook, there's Car Play 2.0... first revealed 21 months ago, with no word of any vehicles supporting it coming soon.

 

[gemelopez3]

What I miss is the simplicity of the offerings: a Pro (iPhone, iPad, Mac) and a non-Pro version. How many frickin’ iPads are out there every year? Makes me think of the days just before Steve came back. SMF.

 

[ZiBart]

Steve Jobs, would have been 70 today. I doubt that he would have played an active role as he did then, in creative and with the same vigor for deadlines. If not retired already (with a board seat perhaps) he would have been a calmer and more reflective version of himself. Appreciating and spending more time with his family or perhaps even turning philanthropic with his billions. Jony Ive would have stayed around a lot longer and his design aesthetic over function and obsession with thinness would have continued. Perhaps at the detriment of Apple. Thats just my guess based on what others of his generation have become and what father time usually does to you.

The “romantic” and “magic” age of computing hardware is long gone. We have been, and will be, in an incremental refinement era for a decade. Maybe AI will provide breakthroughs, but not without misuse along the way.

 

[baconcat_8964]

Why was Tim Cook on stage with a chainsaw? That sounds a little bit weird.

I think they might referring to this one.

 

[Dorfdad]

I miss Steve Jobs.
I'm tired of Apple releasing half-baked beta versions.
I'm tired of Apple trying, like Google and Samsung, to attract customers with unnecessary features like background removal from photos.
I'm tired of Tim Cook announcing things just days before any official release.
Where's the old, good Apple?

Tim doesn't have the vision Steve did. He's simply micro dosing the products trying to keep is a constant status quo. Not that is a bad thing for a CEO to do, but he isn't really innovating and breaking traditions with the iPhone its basically small bumps without refinement, and Apple TV has been basically abandoned for years with no innovation. MacBooks are getting new CPU's but it seems like all the NEW innovative ideas are coming from Samsung, and others now and apple just waits 3-4 years and claims they are doing something wild when it's been done already.

 

[XboxEvolved]

I also just want to remind people that worldwide Apple has 15% of the PC industry (24% in USA) amongst many other milestones. When Jobs passed their share was about 6% worldwide, (14% USA) so while Tim Cook isn’t as exciting as Jobs, he’s an incredibly consistent and steady hand at the helm.

 

[Tsepz]

Steve Jobs died almost 15 years ago. I think that the computer industry we have now is just a different beast than back then. The 'magic' of the early internet and the clumsy but charming 2000s are no longer there. The Macs have never been better (and neither have Apple's finances), but the Mac has also become somewhat of an afterthought for Apple. Their real profit lies in iPhones, apps and services. The gadget and hardware-focussed approach of Jobs is not really that relevant anymore. And objectively, Apple and Tim Cook did very well even without him.

This exactly!
I think Steve himself would have found this era in tech quite difficult especially given how closed fisted he was on so many things, things have fallen in to place exactly how they have needed to.

 

[Jetson]

Without Steve Jobs, there would be no Apple - PERIOD!

I refer not only to the fact that Jobs and Wozniak founded the company, but also that after being fired by the board and watching Apple Computer being mismanaged into the ground he returned and resuscitated it to become the most valuable company on the planet.

Had Steve survived who knows what other accomplishments he could have achieved. Yes, he was merely human and not perfect, but I've got to give him his proper respect. He not only created new products but also changed our culture and revitalized the music and movie industries.

The Amazing Story Of How Steve Jobs Took Apple From Near Bankruptcy To Billions In 13 Years

And remember how we thrilled at the iPod silhouette campaign as we witnessed the Apple phoenix rising from the ashes.

 

[Kottu]

Do I miss Steve Jobs? Absolutely. I can’t even name another CEO—well, maybe Sundar Pichai, but I never really cared about him.
Watching Jobs’ keynotes was a joy. It never felt like just a man presenting products; to me, it felt like a mentor or a friend speaking. I could imagine myself in the audience, cheering along with everyone else.
Tim Cook, on the other hand, doesn’t have that same ability to captivate an audience. It’s not his fault—it’s just not who he is. But as a CEO, he has done a tremendous job leading Apple. Unfortunately, the Apple Watch is the only truly successful product introduced under his leadership.

 

[Lioness~]

It would not be much different if he was in charge today still.

Impossible to know for sure.
But I disagree, he wouldn't let go of the small phone's - no way!
Steve had a wider perspective, Tim only sees the money.
Tim could still work with what he do today, pretty much - while Steve could put more visions into form.
But I am not dreaming impossible dreams. Apple is what it is today.
Not an inspiration for me at all in present time, but still good devices that I need.

 

[Boeingfan]

I miss Steve Jobs.
I'm tired of Apple releasing half-baked beta versions.
I'm tired of Apple trying, like Google and Samsung, to attract customers with unnecessary features like background removal from photos.
I'm tired of Tim Cook announcing things just days before any official release.
Where's the old, good Apple?

Like Cher, I miss the 80's.