Its a form of denial....some people just refuse to believe that there could be a problem with their favorite technology. I love the Ipad 2 and don't plan on returning one for good but I do plan on demanding a fairly flawless device out of the box.
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I think its pretty clear what happened with the bleeding screen issue
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Its a form of denial....some people just refuse to believe that there could be a problem with their favorite technology. I love the Ipad 2 and don't plan on returning one for good but I do plan on demanding a fairly flawless device out of the box.
I've got some bleeding along the bottom right of my iPad 2 screen. Only way I noticed it was running an app that's not optimized for the iPad.
Looks like hell - but how often will I even see it using apps that fill the whole screen?
Side note - After "antennagate" I have no doubt Apple lets these screen issues through the production line. And no I don't think they really give a damn.
IMO - Apple's build-quality has been going down the tubes for a while now. They put so much thought and effort into the design of the device, but there's very little attention to quality-control.
Looks like hell - but how often will I even see it using apps that fill the whole screen?
Side note - After "antennagate" I have no doubt Apple lets these screen issues through the production line. And no I don't think they really give a damn.
IMO - Apple's build-quality has been going down the tubes for a while now. They put so much thought and effort into the design of the device, but there's very little attention to quality-control.
Could be why I hear they have such an easy exchange policy......they have a lower qa threshold......could also be how they keep prices low in comparison to other tablets
That's okay, Piggie, I'll explain why you are incorrect. It's because of selection bias (both in terms of who comes to the forum to begin with, who bothers to post, and who has problems); no indication of sample sizes (e.g. numbers about faulty iPads and total iPads sold); and deceptive posters. As a result there is no reason to believe that the posted problems are representative and plenty of reason to think that MRF postings are selective.
Incorrect again, I'm afraid, for the reasons posted above.
You may be right.
It's of course only assumptions/guesswork.
It's just that seeing how many people LOVE their Apple products and are often so vocal about how great they are.
I suppose it seems hard to believe there are 20, 30, 50 people with perfect screens to every 1 with a bad screen, and none of these 20,30,50 people are posting back, saying my screen is great.
With pretty much all other issues, there have been posters to say "mine if fine" with any particular fault.
Uhm, that is actually very believable. It is very believable that everyone that posts here that DOES have an iPad and DOESN'T complain about the screen has no problem with it. But since you're so worried about it, I'll post it here. My iPad 2 screen has no defects. No bleeding, no dead pixels. No defects.
It is definitely not a form of denial...
Ive experienced the very same thing in other type of electronics that are not made by apple....
It really is as simple as one poster a few posts down is stating....
Very TINY sample size here on the boards in general, and people who are satisfied have little to no reason to post in threads where people are having issues.
Widespread or not does not matter, and could be true or false, but it the fact remains that using a forum to extrapolate the extent of the issue is extremely dubious and making a huge leap.
I've seen it 100 times with flat panel TV's.
You seem to be suggesting that a large % of iPad users are macrumors members and that couldn't be further from the truth in and of itself.
Its true, I only see people who say they have no problem saying "I only see the problem if I look for it so there is no problem" or " Its only if I turn up the brightness in a dark room then I see the defect" "Stop being picky people and accept your flawed device from apple"
Come on, this is pretty disingenuous, lots of posters are saying things other than this (and very few if any are saying what you are ascribing to them).
You see I'm stuck between thinking:
1: I don't believe you
2: You don't care enough to be bothered about it.
Every LCD panel has SOME bleeding, even if it's only very small, so I'd be surprised if more than 1 in a hell of a lot would ever be "Perfect"
Pretty good, not bad, acceptable, reasonable etc are all words I could accept.
But "Perfect?"
I just pray mine if also perfect as you claim your's to be. I will be happy to post that mine is perfect when I receive it.
Again, I can't express how myopic this view is.
And I understand it and am not saying it to degrade you or anything, but seriously, this same scenario plays itself out in markets where there is nowhere near the brand loyalty you see here....
This is where you lost me in your story. You want a device that has, as you claim, has a defect that affects 60% of the devices made?
As a consumer of electronics I would tell you to stay away from such a product.
Calm down there Skippy...
It is too early to claim any flaw if there is one. Your device may have a problem, at least get it looked at. Some others in that thread may actually have a bad iPad2. There could even be a chance that everyone who has claimed a problem in that thread (I would guess around 150) could actually have a bad device. That doesn't mean that a majority of the iPad2s out there have a backlight bleeding issue.
I believe that there are two camps out there.
1) People with actual defects. I am going to say <1% of iPad2 owners.
2) People who believe they have a defect, because they read that thread and ran into their closet. These people also buy $200 gold plated hdmi cables because the sales guy told them the picture would be better.
I was told once by a civil servant that politicians use the following rule:
if you get a letter of complaint, assume that at least one other person is also unhappy.
if you get a letter of thanks, assume that at least FIFTEEN other people are also happy.
Simple fact is - if there's something wrong, you take the opportunity to complain. If nothing's wrong, the vast majority of people will just get on with their lives and not say anything at all. So when you look at the forums, look at the number of people saying 'Mine's fine' and weight it much more than the number of people complaining.
Simple answer then - it's impossible to tell from the forums what percentage of people are suffering from problems with the iPad, before you even think about the fact that most people here are more likely to notice the problem in the first place than Joe Public.
Since some of you in this thread (I came back to MR to find more places to flip Ipad 2s, figured these threads would be up here) need some type of "proof" that this issue isn't as absurd as you all wish to put it, I didn't know or notice the backlight bleeding until finding out online. Even then, it took a significant amount of work for me to even notice it [closet dwelling, squinting, etc.], and I'm still not even sure I have it, but it's apparently there slightly, doesn't bother me (my computer monitor is much worse, but I always just assumed this was normal and never let it bother me).
Despite this "terrible" issue, I've already had multiple people fawn and gush over the screen (ironic considering its nearly the same screen that these people saw on the ipad 1) to my own annoyance. IDK what to tell some of you people, it seems that the user experience doesn't matter to you all, but rather if you "know" your ipad is defective. Talking this rubbish about resale value, etc. is just nonsensical unless it's an actual issue, no pragmatic person (which generally excludes most of the tech oriented internet populace) is not going to buy your ipad 2 in a year because if they blind themselves staring at a black screen long enough they'll see light.
With that said, I have seen some people with really bad bleeding (no one in real life, only one or two online). If it's noticeable in any regular setting, of course you should either return it and get your money back or exchange it, but everyone else that has to go into a cave, close their eyes, do a black magic dance, and sear a burnt black ipad screen into their retina before they can see the bleeding really should just not buy the ipad 2, or return the one they have and get their money back. What's the problem?
And this comes from someone who generally opposses all that is Apple (outside of the Ipad, for I am an actual pragmatist that won't spend $800 on a tablet that isn't as effective), though I'm sure people will doubt this too.
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This. Exactly. Coming from someone that's pretty well oriented with hardware, it's hilarious when people tell me they bought $200 cables or sound cards that output more than their subpar systems can output.
Despite this "terrible" issue, I've already had multiple people fawn and gush over the screen (ironic considering its nearly the same screen that these people saw on the ipad 1) to my own annoyance. IDK what to tell some of you people, it seems that the user experience doesn't matter to you all, but rather if you "know" your ipad is defective. Talking this rubbish about resale value, etc. is just nonsensical unless it's an actual issue, no pragmatic person (which generally excludes most of the tech oriented internet populace) is not going to buy your ipad 2 in a year because if they blind themselves staring at a black screen long enough they'll see light.
With that said, I have seen some people with really bad bleeding (no one in real life, only one or two online). If it's noticeable in any regular setting, of course you should either return it and get your money back or exchange it, but everyone else that has to go into a cave, close their eyes, do a black magic dance, and sear a burnt black ipad screen into their retina before they can see the bleeding really should just not buy the ipad 2, or return the one they have and get their money back. What's the problem?
And this comes from someone who generally opposses all that is Apple (outside of the Ipad, for I am an actual pragmatist that won't spend $800 on a tablet that isn't as effective), though I'm sure people will doubt this too.
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This. Exactly. Coming from someone that's pretty well oriented with hardware, it's hilarious when people tell me they bought $200 cables or sound cards that output more than their subpar systems can output.
Are you saying the ipad is expected to have this bleed through when viewing in a dark room? I guarantee apple would argue with you there!
wow don't read much do you...
Ok let me spell it out for you. I think less than one percent of the iPad2s actually have this issue.
I think there is another two to three percent that think they do, but don't.
The rest of the world is fine. Now either go to your apple store and see if you need a replacement or come to this board to make bold factless claims. I don't care anymore and am I am bored with you.
Check out ipadthai post in the main bleeder thread.....3 out of 4 ipads with big bleeding? Cmon
Any poll on this issue will be completely inaccurate. OP = fail.
Nonrespondentbias. Nonrespondent bias occurs when those who do not respond to a survey differ in important ways from those who respond or participate. This bias can work in either direction.
It's not a big deal. If you have a problem with your iPad, then return it or make a genius bar appointment.
Nonrespondentbias. Nonrespondent bias occurs when those who do not respond to a survey differ in important ways from those who respond or participate. This bias can work in either direction.
It's not a big deal. If you have a problem with your iPad, then return it or make a genius bar appointment.
What about the guy who bought two, both bleeders....returned both and got 1 bleeder in the second batch?
return it, get your money back, and go buy a xoom or go on a vacation? Duh?
Soon people will need the internet to tell them how to breathe, I swear.
There may in fact be a real, widespread issue, point though is that 1) it isn't likely, and 2) this forum is in NO WAY an accurate representation of that.
Even if the %'s here ended up close to the real thing, it would just be a coincidence.
Do you own a flat screen TV?
If you do, go look up an AV forum and check out the threads for your specific model.
You will most likely be shocked at how "widespread" the "massive" amounts of defective units there are out in the wild.....
