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I thought this was supposed to be a WATCH?!

mavis said:
Actually, the Simple face can't show 1-12, which seems to me to be a glaring oversight. :( I've attached a screenshot showing the only numeral options on the Simple face.
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I've worn a watch for over 20 years now, but never one with numerals on the dial. Perhaps so did the designers and that's why the "simple" design has the ability to add more complications.
 
KPOM said:
I've worn a watch for over 20 years now, but never one with numerals on the dial. Perhaps so did the designers and that's why the "simple" design has the ability to add more complications.
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Then why give us that option on the Utility face? Of course, I'd just use that face in the first place, if only it didn't have that idiotic LONG complication at the bottom of the screen, rather than one in each corner, like Simple and several others.

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dotnet said:
Clearly, that's what I was missing.

Well, I guess the Apple Watch is at least half way to being a real watch, unlike my old Longines which didn't even have a digital face. Can you believe those Swiss?
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Most digital watches can display seconds. The Apple Watch cannot. It's really not that hard to see that in that respect, the Apple Watch is missing basic functionality. I'm not sure what your point is ... ?
 
mavis said:
I'm not sure what your point is ... ?
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Calm down, I get it, you're disappointed that the digital faces don't display seconds. But to suggest that this makes the Apple Watch somewhat less of a watch (as if a watch had to have a digital face in the first place) is rather melodramatic.
 
mavis said:
Then why give us that option on the Utility face? Of course, I'd just use that face in the first place, if only it didn't have that idiotic LONG complication at the bottom of the screen, rather than one in each corner, like Simple and several others.

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Most digital watches can display seconds. The Apple Watch cannot. It's really not that hard to see that in that respect, the Apple Watch is missing basic functionality. I'm not sure what your point is ... ?
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Well, you do have a second hand on the analog faces. Remember that this is just the first batch of watch faces that are available at launch. I'm sure we'll get more choices in the future, particularly once "native" apps become available.

Actually, the Utility screen does have 4 complications. There is also the Chronograph option if you want both seconds and numerals. It's hyperbole to say that it's lacking "basic watch functions." My previous watch (a $500 Movado) didn't have numerals or a second hand. Did it lack "basic watch functions"?
 
The available faces have been the most disappointing part for me - you have a couple analog faces, but most are only slight variations of each other. Then there is the one digital face with lots of info, then the same digital face with different backgrounds (Solar, earth/moon, jellyfish). So in reality it feels like you have 3 "real" choices, then you customize on those.

3rd party watchfaces can't come soon enough - coming from a Pebble there are a ton of cool/creative faces on there, and that is with a crappy processor and monochrome low res display...
 
Are you seriously complaining about digital seconds? Did you know that the original watch did not have any digital anything? It's not an essential part of the watch at all.

mavis said:
That's actually a really good comparison! One of the great things about the iPhone is that it functions well as a phone, even better than other phones I had in the past. The same cannot be said of the Apple Watch's watch functionality. ;)
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I gotta agree on the lack of seconds on the digital faces. Although this doesn't bother me as I don't need the seconds, my wife is a nurse who prefers digital but has to have seconds for work. She is a little bummed with her pink watch still processing and finding out while playing with mine that the digital face doesn't do seconds. I assume new or updates to the faces will allow this option (I hope) and she can try using the analog instead for now.
 
I have not received my Watch just yet, but if it is true that the digital faces cannot display seconds (even though the Apple website says faces can be tuned to show "even more detail, such as minutes, seconds, and milliseconds" — which ones can do milliseconds?), then I too would like to see this feature added.

However, don't forget that this is v1.0 of the software. If iPhone and iPad are any indication, we will see quite a lot of functionality added to the device over time. The "Watch Faces and Features" page in the manual even specifically says "Check frequently for software updates; the set of watch faces that follows might differ from what you see on your Apple Watch." That sounds like Apple is definitely planning improvements and maybe even brand new faces. :cool: I, for one, would like to see digital time as an available complication on the analog faces. In the meantime, I'll make the day one faces work. :)
 
mavis said:
Because I use public transportation daily, and Japanese trains are almost always on time. Like, to the second. So if a train timetable says 14:18 and it's now 14:17, I may have 59 seconds to get to the train or one second - big difference between the two.

Honestly, this also goes to show why "Designed in California" might not always be the best thing when trying to make products for an international audience. I doubt it occurred to any of the engineers and designers involved with the creation of the Apple Watch that seconds display on a watch face might be really important for people who don't DRIVE to work every day. The fact that you even had to ask this question illustrates this perfectly! ;)
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Californians time their drives by hours, not minutes or seconds!
 
mavis said:
Precisely my point! It's obvious that the Apple Watch was conceived and designed entirely in California.
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The horror.... /s

I can understand your frustration but as an earlier poster mentioned, this is version 1.0 of the watch OS. As more feedback and use case emerge in sure we'll see some more options become available.

Be glad I didn't design it. I'm a consultant and work from home- it would only have hours lol.
 
jclardy said:
3rd party watchfaces can't come soon enough - coming from a Pebble there are a ton of cool/creative faces on there, and that is with a crappy processor and monochrome low res display...
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I'm coming from a Pebble too and I couldn't disagree more about the watchfaces available for it. 95% of the watchfaces I saw were just the digital time, hours and minutes, with some stupid graphic underneath. Sure, that was great if you wanted to constantly be able to look and see the time and a sports team's logo or the time and some cartoon character's face, but I never got the sense of innovation on Pebble I was hoping for. The remaining 5% were mostly concerned with sticking the weather on there somewhere or trying to recreate some actual watch face which looked ridiculous on such a tiny screen. In total, there were probably five decent faces I used in the two years I had it. I tried to figure out how to create my own watchfaces and found it ridiculously difficult even with the tools that had been created.

As to the Apple Watch, I don't know why people just assume Apple is going to allow third parties to create watchfaces. The watchface is essentially the home screen of the Apple Watch, every time you wake it up, that's where it takes you. We've had the iPhone for eight years now and we are still using the same home screen that Apple designed on the original and they haven't opened that up. Why should the watch be any different? Each of the watchfaces we have now was clearly designed to use as little battery as possible, they even dropped letting people use a picture as the background, presumably because it drained the battery too fast. Why would they open it up to let other people create faces that not only might drain the battery, but might have issues that could affect the rest of the watch' operation?
 
beldenben said:
As to the Apple Watch, I don't know why people just assume Apple is going to allow third parties to create watchfaces. The watchface is essentially the home screen of the Apple Watch, every time you wake it up, that's where it takes you. We've had the iPhone for eight years now and we are still using the same home screen that Apple designed on the original and they haven't opened that up. Why should the watch be any different? Each of the watchfaces we have now was clearly designed to use as little battery as possible, they even dropped letting people use a picture as the background, presumably because it drained the battery too fast. Why would they open it up to let other people create faces that not only might drain the battery, but might have issues that could affect the rest of the watch' operation?
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That is a very good point, but then again this is supposed to be Apple's "most personal device ever" which seems to go hand-in-hand with customizability of the watchface
 
I don't necessarily expect third party watch faces, and if they do make them available I would expect them to be pretty tightly curated. That said, it would be insanity not to make more watch faces available. They'd just be coming direct from Apple.
 
mavis said:
I've had my Apple Watch for about a day now, and I have to say I'm really disappointed with the lack of standard WATCH functionality.

  • There is no way to display seconds on any of the digital faces. Really, Apple??
  • There is no way to make the time be the center/main unit on the modular face. Again, I thought this was supposed to be a WATCH?!
  • The only analog face with the option to display numerals (1-12) around the dial is the Utility face, but that's the only face that only allows ONE complication at the bottom of the screen, rather than two (one in each corner).

I find it hard to believe that every single tester or designer of the Apple Watch missed these basic flaws (well, the first two are flaws; the third is just a design problem). I hope that they fix the above soon, so that basic timekeeping functionality is finally possible.
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Yes. You out of millions are in facte the only satisfied personal on the planet.

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mavis said:
I've had my Apple Watch for about a day now, and I have to say I'm really disappointed with the lack of standard WATCH functionality.

  • There is no way to display seconds on any of the digital faces. Really, Apple??
  • There is no way to make the time be the center/main unit on the modular face. Again, I thought this was supposed to be a WATCH?!
  • The only analog face with the option to display numerals (1-12) around the dial is the Utility face, but that's the only face that only allows ONE complication at the bottom of the screen, rather than two (one in each corner).

I find it hard to believe that every single tester or designer of the Apple Watch missed these basic flaws (well, the first two are flaws; the third is just a design problem). I hope that they fix the above soon, so that basic timekeeping functionality is finally possible.
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Sed your resume and cover letter to;

Apple
1 Infinite Loop
Cupertino, CA

Do tell them you are much smarter than Jon Ivy while you're at it. I hear they like that.
 
fleetingftw said:
I gotta agree on the lack of seconds on the digital faces. Although this doesn't bother me as I don't need the seconds, my wife is a nurse who prefers digital but has to have seconds for work. She is a little bummed with her pink watch still processing and finding out while playing with mine that the digital face doesn't do seconds. I assume new or updates to the faces will allow this option (I hope) and she can try using the analog instead for now.
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What purpose do digital seconds serve aside from knowing exactly when a minute will change? Then again, aren't seconds on different clocks/watches usually off?

If its required for timing something why not use the chrono face which literally jumps into a stop watch and back to the watch face in 1 button tap?
 
The lack of seconds on the digital faces does seem like an oversight. I hope they add in the option of displaying them in a complication in the future. Having warn digital watches since the 70's I'm used to being able to see the seconds.

I use them all the time to judge when to dial into conference calls.
 
PhotonJeff said:
The lack of seconds on the digital faces does seem like an oversight. I hope they add in the option of displaying them in a complication in the future. Having warn digital watches since the 70's I'm used to being able to see the seconds.

I use them all the time to judge when to dial into conference calls.
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I'm glad I'm not the only person who wants/needs seconds to be displayed on the digital faces. Looking at some of these replies, you'd think I was! :rolleyes:
 
Only 4 of the faces display seconds!?!?! This is definitely not a watch...a watch by definition must have at least 1 digital face including seconds otherwise it's a smart watch.
 
All of these deficiencies will be addressed in time. I remember how many complaints there were when the early iPhones lacked MMS or cut and paste. We're just experiencing early-adopter pain. :)
 
mavis said:
I agree. But it is still fundamentally a WATCH, albeit one that lacks basic timekeeping functions.
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Well, on the flip side, my Rolex doesn't do damned near anything that the Apple Watch can do. Does this mean my Rolex sucks as a watch?

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mavis said:
Most digital watches display seconds.
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You know, it IS possible to live and tell time without seeing seconds. I bet you must flip your lid in the car, because I know of only one car maker that makes a clock with a seconds hand.
 
mavis said:
I've had my Apple Watch for about a day now, and I have to say I'm really disappointed with the lack of standard WATCH functionality.

  • There is no way to display seconds on any of the digital faces. Really, Apple??
  • There is no way to make the time be the center/main unit on the modular face. Again, I thought this was supposed to be a WATCH?!
  • The only analog face with the option to display numerals (1-12) around the dial is the Utility face, but that's the only face that only allows ONE complication at the bottom of the screen, rather than two (one in each corner).

I find it hard to believe that every single tester or designer of the Apple Watch missed these basic flaws (well, the first two are flaws; the third is just a design problem). I hope that they fix the above soon, so that basic timekeeping functionality is finally possible.
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Interesting thoughts - make sure you also send them direct to Apple via their feedback page.
 
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