This is, BTW, the best advice IMHO. I'd follow it instead of the one "to wait" I've given earlier.
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I want to buy a new MBP but I'm not 100% sure yet
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Just to be sure: do you hold same opinion on yearly iPhone updates?
Do you understand that lack of this "fearmongering" (I'd call it educated advice but whatev) ends with people buying overpriced outdated hardware because they don't know better and vendors exploit this the worst they can?
Not that I cared that much how inefficiently other people spend their hard-earned money. No, it's not the main reason. At the moment I have knowledge owning all the recent models of MBPs how they compare. I try to provide it to the community. I hope when I will have to make a decision regarding electronics I do not have information about community will pay me back (it happened a lot of times, thank you community!) with educated advice and not slogans "it's amazing", "excellent", "joy from first sight" without any actual information. For these slogans I can watch Apple presentation in recording.
Then this is the point to be argued and not the point that 2016 has better battery than 2009 with old battery. The point that "overall machine is suitable for me and although there are specific areas in which this machine is worse than the previous one, they're not lower than my needs".
Because once you buy there are 3 outcomes:
1. you will tell others what I write in bold
confirming the overall facts but stating that to each his own;2. you will tell others that the machine is flawless to prove your decision right (which is ********, there are no flawless machines);
3. you will be sad you haven't listened to what I and others have written "in bold".
The iPhone is clearly aimed at people upgrading every year or every two years, which is made even more clear with the iPhone Upgrade Program. These things don't cost $2000+
Yes exactly what I fear...people going to the 2015 and not getting what Apple is investing in: the Touch Bar. They may regret this next year or in two years especially after it has been improved even more.
Because once you buy there are 3 outcomes:
1. you will tell others what I write in bold
2. you will tell others that the machine is flawless to prove your decision right (which is ********, there are no flawless machines);
3. you will be sad you haven't listened to what I and others have written "in bold".
When a new iPhone comes out, most people I know don't go "Should I get the previous one or the new one? Or one from 3 years ago?" This is because they'd rather put their hard earned money toward the latest device.
And then you come here and ask me to be explicit in the reason *why* I did not choose the 2015 over the 2016. This is not my place to justify this as it was not even a possibility or thought for me. I was never considering the 2015
The reason why I questioned this is because this is just not how this stuff works. We don't have the 2015 MBP to ask this question or justify our purchase. It should be for the ones who have the 2015 to warn those people on the fence why they should want a possible 1-2 hours of extra battery. Chances are some people just won't care (by the way my Mac is telling me I have an estimated 9.5 hours left on battery)
I didn't buy the 2016 because I didn't need the battery of the 2015...I bought it because I needed a new laptop and this was the perfect opportunity to jump on where they are taking the MBP. Convincing people to buy the 2015 over the 2016 because of battery completely ignores the other stuff they will be losing: Touch Bar, wide color gamut, better GPUs, a keyboard they may or may not like better, etc... There is a lot more than just the battery.
And those are not the 3 outcomes. One would be: "I bought a machine that does exactly what I need it to do and I am happy with it"
But part of his concern is the battery because other people have made him worried about it. I was merely stating that it can't be worse than what he already had.
Hello everyone! Thanks for answers and suggestions, I really appreciate the dedication!
That's exactly my fear. As I'm going to spend 2900€, most of them self-earned, I want to make a good investment, that will last in the future. Recently battery issues are quite scaring me
Oh God not again!
More seriously, I already waited till the past WWDC (and I was disappointed), and I'm quite sure I can't wait not so longer anymore.
My MBP is not really dying, actually I'm quite surprised it can still somehow work... but battery is gone, and GPU too.
I need something new.
I totally forgot about the Return Policy, and some answers here on the thread look reassuring.
Also, is true that everything is going to be an improvement, confronted to my poor ol' MBP.
Maybe I'll just wait a couple of weeks more, just to see how this diatribe between Apple and Consumer Reports will end, then I'll order it.
For curiosity's sake: MBP 15", 512 GB SSD and Radeon 460.
That's exactly my fear. As I'm going to spend 2900€, most of them self-earned, I want to make a good investment, that will last in the future. Recently battery issues are quite scaring me
Oh God not again!
More seriously, I already waited till the past WWDC (and I was disappointed), and I'm quite sure I can't wait not so longer anymore.
My MBP is not really dying, actually I'm quite surprised it can still somehow work... but battery is gone, and GPU too.
I need something new.
I totally forgot about the Return Policy, and some answers here on the thread look reassuring.
Also, is true that everything is going to be an improvement, confronted to my poor ol' MBP.
Maybe I'll just wait a couple of weeks more, just to see how this diatribe between Apple and Consumer Reports will end, then I'll order it.
For curiosity's sake: MBP 15", 512 GB SSD and Radeon 460.
I'm your fellow waiter since autumn 2015.Oh God not again!
More seriously, I already waited till the past WWDC (and I was disappointed), and I'm quite sure I can't wait not so longer anymore.
My MBP is not really dying, actually I'm quite surprised it can still somehow work... but battery is gone, and GPU too.
I need something new.
If I were buying MBP on my own money now, I'd get a used MBP 15" late 2013 without dGPU. But that's me.
Oh God not again!
More seriously, I already waited till the past WWDC (and I was disappointed), and I'm quite sure I can't wait not so longer anymore.
My MBP is not really dying, actually I'm quite surprised it can still somehow work... but battery is gone, and GPU too.
I need something new.
There are people who could probably wait, and there are people who are long due for an upgrade. You seem like the latter.
No, the next MBP will not be a spectacular upgrade over this one. The CPU will be slightly faster, the GPU - knowing AMD - will be a slightly faster rebranding, and the battery life - even if all that layered talk is true - will be just a bit better. People are setting themselves up for disappointment every year, expecting one thing and getting another. I could be wrong, of course, but I doubt it. We'll see in October.
The only sound advice is the one I heard a long time ago: better computers are always coming, so get the one you need, when you need it - otherwise you'd end up waiting.
I'm not saying that your new computer has to be a new MBP. Perhaps you'd like the old one. Perhaps you'd like a Windows laptop. But I am sorry that all this negativity has scared you from a very good machine. From what I can see, you do want the new MBP, the latest and greatest Apple laptop, so - you'll most likely enjoy the new one.
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Listen, it just isn't. I don't want to disprove your statement by offering anecdotal evidence of my own. It's just word against word.
You're sooo right. They won't. They will rush it because the product does not live up to Apple standards. Not because of a few Macrumors posters and clickbait bloggers. That is also the reason they won't listen to one Macrumors poster that says them to release new version in next November and no earlier.
So, you're thinking they are going to send a message to all those customers that just bought the MBP that they made a mistake, by releasing something much better in 6 months time? That would cause even more outrage.
As for the battery, I can only tell you what my experiences are. Quite true, Skylake is only better at low demanding tasks. Start something intense, and it's advantage all but disappears. However, with lower spending in screen, GPU and even the CPU combined, the difference with really demanding tasks is, in my measurements, one hour less. I can get 5 hours of Photoshop painting instead of 6. And I get 11 hours of movie watching instead of 10.
Whether you call that "much worse" battery or "similar" battery life - it's up to you. I agree - I expected more, not less. I was hoping to get 7 hours of Photoshop use, somehow, instead I actually got less than what I had. But it's not like Apple is having an emergency meeting over this, and are changing their standard release schedules because people on Macrumors think they should fire Tim Cook. It is much less dramatic than people here think - especially for Apple, who is looking at sales charts, reports, etc.
But ok, whatever, really - I spend too much time here. If you disagree, let's part on that. We'll see. It does seem like I have some personal stake at all this, but the truth is, I just like to argue. And I've spent too much time on it, so - I can only wish everyone good luck with their choices. Let's hope for the best - whatever that best is for each of us.
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Yup, nothing to see here, move along.
P. S. This is exactly the difference that would've made MBP 2016 an ultimate non-beatable machine. Sadly Apple ****ed it up.
I've set myself waiting three times: in 2011, in 2013 and in 2016 (getting MBP 2015 was coincidental). Two of three times the wait was worth it... I could be wrong, of course. We'll see in spring or June.
Ha-ha. That's a good one!
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And trust me, you'll love it! Got mine a few weeks ago, and can't wait everyday to play with it! lol... it is nothing but innovative! Everywhere I go people comment on it, and the performance speaks for itself.
What message? God, no. Apple will do what it does best.
It will not acknowledge any issues. It will patch things up quickly and release a good machine in spring or June. Positive publicity the new machine will be getting will eclipse the negativity left for those who experience issues with the old one. Apple fanboys will finish off the ones principled left. Somewhere in the middle of 2018 class-action lawsuit against Apple will be pending and Apple will create a replacement program for MBP 2016. Apple fanboys will instantly care about those principled ones who they scoffed earlier and will praise Apple for such good customer service.
As if this is the first time this happens. LOL.
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Owh mai gawd. Where do you go with it?
-lol----airports, coffee shops, etc....What message? God, no. Apple will do what it does best.
It will not acknowledge any issues. It will patch things up quickly and release a good machine in spring or June. Positive publicity the new machine will be getting will eclipse the negativity left for those who experience issues with the old one. Apple fanboys will finish off the ones principled left. Somewhere in the middle of 2018 class-action lawsuit against Apple will be pending and Apple will create a replacement program for MBP 2016. Apple fanboys will instantly care about those principled ones who they scoffed earlier and will praise Apple for such good customer service.
As if this is the first time this happens. LOL.
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I was honestly expecting terraced batteries for the 2016 MBP, given the fact Apple did use them for the MB.
I'm really curious what could have the "major problem" that made Apple skip them on the MBP...
Anyway, I'll order it, and hope to be satisfied with battery/overall performances.
If not, I have really no idea which OS I can move to...
I'm really curious what could have the "major problem" that made Apple skip them on the MBP...
Anyway, I'll order it, and hope to be satisfied with battery/overall performances.
If not, I have really no idea which OS I can move to...
Let us know how you like it.I was honestly expecting terraced batteries for the 2016 MBP, given the fact Apple did use them for the MB.
I'm really curious what could have the "major problem" that made Apple skip them on the MBP...
Anyway, I'll order it, and hope to be satisfied with battery/overall performances.
If not, I have really no idea which OS I can move to...
Sorry but IMO this self admission of arguing for some sort of self gratification cannot be easily washed away with a good luck etc
Whilst we are all free to read or not anyone's posting but to actually perpetuate the discussion deliberately for your own strange needs is quite frankly both disturbing and insulting.
Whether we agree or otherwise with someone's opinion of view point is immaterial to the fact that we give the benefit of the doubt that they believe or have some conviction in what they post. Your admission throws this completely out of the window for you.
Further more to actually suggesting others promote clickbait or FUD etc (In this thread alone) just shows the level hypocrisy you are prepared to post to prolong your arguing needs
Outside of Queen6 and Maflynn and no doubt more, including those that may of liked your posting, now find out they are of questionable honesty leaves little doubt to your lack of integrity and dubious intentions by hiding under some image of a genuine user.
I'm certainly glad I have only wasted these few lines on you, others may have not been so lucky
Oh damn. That's true. I forgot to mention that in my case, I cannot return it, so I have to make sure I get it right the first try. You can obviously return it, so you lose nothing. Agreed - best option. Enjoy it and report back with your thoughts, once you've received it and gotten to play with it for a while!
What can I say - you, sir, seem to be easily disturbed and insulted.
And if you find the need to test one's views in discussion strange - then that's your prerogative, but you should know that it's not only perfectly normal, it's also a great way to learn.
And I do not deliberately perpetuate discussions, this is your own impression.
I think you misunderstood me, or I chose my words poorly. I do not contradict people because I enjoy it, but when I do believe in something - I enjoy a good argument. I do not have ulterior motives. I am not an Apple employee, I do not own Apple stock and I don't have any hidden reason to "defend Apple" - that's what I meant. All of my experiences are genuine and truthful, and I stand by them.
And dubious intentions? By writing on a forum? Lol. My only intention is to share my experiences and to test them in good arguments. As for lack of integrity, well, that's your opinion. I'm guessing that anyone who disagrees with you must be without integrity in your mind. I find that a bit sad, really.
If you can't understand why someone could enjoy a good argument, you should continue to 'not waste lines' on me and question my honesty.
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Holy cow, your post is 101 on how to read too much into a word... I see this happen all the time here with the word "argue", especially by ESL (English as a second language) folks who don't realize all the negative connotations that come with it depending on how it's used in a sentence... what they generally mean is they like to have informative discussions or debates that allow a multitude of facts and opinions from various perspectives to be presented, analyzed, and critiqued. You're insinuating that his dozens of reasonable well-argued posts are somehow not genuine because he used the word "argue" instead of "discuss". Maybe give someone the benefit of the doubt, especially ESL folks like Aevan, especially when they have a posting history that is very reasonable and well thought out?
I don't personally know Aevan beyond his postings, but he goes out of his way again and again and again and again and again to state that he's not trying to talk anyone into anything they don't want to buy, that he has no vendetta against Windows, that people can use whatever the frick they want. What is bugging him and many of us (many of us being too sick and tired of the trolls to even bother coming here often anymore) is the non-stop FUD and just plain harping from people who aren't happy with Apple and just want everyone else to be unhappy too.
Q6 is knowledgeable and a reasonable poster, but ever since the new MBP disappointed him, while he states his own dissatisfaction in reasonable terms (though he has now posted those opinions dozens of times), he's also been on a non-stop- tear of "liking" many troll posts and some of the worst players on this forum... and that points to someone who is so dissatisfied with Apple that he's letting his own feelings cloud his judgement and reasons for posting or even being here.
Mayflynn, as a moderator, should realize that every post he makes in every thread about how he thinks the MBP is a disappointment, which he's posted dozens of times now, carries double or even triple the weight of "normal" members here. Many less knowledgeable or new members will literally consider his posts as "even the people who run MacRumors think the MBP is a failure".
Thanks. Yes, English is my second language, and this is the first time I thought of "arguing" coming with negative connotations. For me, argument is a discussion where two or more people have different opinions. Even the word itself - "argument" - can mean "a reason" or "a set of reasons". If it does have something negative about it, I did not know that.
Anyway, thank you for the comment, I am glad that someone is enjoying these walls of text I write sometimes
Sorry, but the iPhone 7 is an iPhone 6S-S. They've had 3 years in a row to perfect things like the battery and internal design in the chassis.
I see what you mean, but I could say that MBP is MacBook Pro Retina 5.
I mean, what would you call iPad 2? A 1st Gen product?
If you think my posting is based on one single word in one posting then you are mistaken
I work daily with a multitude of different nationalities where ESL prevails and native English speakers are the minority by far
If you think his/hers posting are balanced then that's fine I have no intention to persuade you otherwise or derail this topic any further.
There is a common counter agenda that appears many times that simply fits, enough said IMO.
If you buy, a big upgrade, you will be happy
It's a rev A product , if you can wait, next years model is the one I would go for
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I base my assumptions on a new chassis design. So the new MacBook Pro is a rev A while the 2015 was the last of the 2012 design. It's a new product
It's a rev A product , if you can wait, next years model is the one I would go for
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I base my assumptions on a new chassis design. So the new MacBook Pro is a rev A while the 2015 was the last of the 2012 design. It's a new product
It's not a perfect machine and it's expensive as all hell. The Touch Bar needs time to mature and flourish. It gets pretty darn hot (but only directly in front of the logo, not under my fingers), but the fans are quiet. But I still love it. Specs are in my signature.
Now, I came from a six year old Dell, so the performance is amplified a ton. I didn't buy it for the long battery. 99% of the time I'm near power, so it's not an issue. It makes my Lightroom photos look like they were taken by a better photographer with better equipment. It makes communicating with my girlfriend and family seamless via Messages. It makes living my life more fun. Reading and archiving email is very interactive via the TB. It's transformed my gaming experience. The weight and form factor have been absolutely amazing to carry around (my previous machine was 2.5lbs heavier).
I'm glad I have macOS Sierra now. I now look forward to each subsequent iteration every year. As much as it'll hurt to see speed bumps and price drops over the coming years, I'll also be glad to see Apple continue support for the MBP.
Now, I came from a six year old Dell, so the performance is amplified a ton. I didn't buy it for the long battery. 99% of the time I'm near power, so it's not an issue. It makes my Lightroom photos look like they were taken by a better photographer with better equipment. It makes communicating with my girlfriend and family seamless via Messages. It makes living my life more fun. Reading and archiving email is very interactive via the TB. It's transformed my gaming experience. The weight and form factor have been absolutely amazing to carry around (my previous machine was 2.5lbs heavier).
I'm glad I have macOS Sierra now. I now look forward to each subsequent iteration every year. As much as it'll hurt to see speed bumps and price drops over the coming years, I'll also be glad to see Apple continue support for the MBP.
I certainly hope so. I was running a 2008 MBP up until last week when my '16 arrived. The battery life could be better, but it's ok and I'm not on battery too often as it is. I have no other complaints. I'm hoping some software updates help the battery a little bit, but I really am hoping to get a solid 6+ years out of this one like I did with my old one that's about 8.5 years old now.
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English is my first language, and I understood perfectly what you meant... That post calling your intentions into question was one of the most absurd posts I've seen on MR, and I've seen a few!Thanks. Yes, English is my second language, and this is the first time I thought of "arguing" coming with negative connotations. For me, argument is a discussion where two or more people have different opinions. Even the word itself - "argument" - can mean "a reason" or "a set of reasons". If it does have something negative about it, I did not know that.
Anyway, thank you for the comment, I am glad that someone is enjoying these walls of text I write sometimes
Hello everybody, I've decided to pull the trigger.
My old Mac can't last anymore, and I'm noticing how a lot of features of the new MBP will be useful to me.
Plus, I still don't see a proper rival of the Mac.
As soon as I'll receive my salary I'll order it.
I'll let you know how it works, especially battery and GPU.
Thanks everyone!
My old Mac can't last anymore, and I'm noticing how a lot of features of the new MBP will be useful to me.
Plus, I still don't see a proper rival of the Mac.
As soon as I'll receive my salary I'll order it.
I'll let you know how it works, especially battery and GPU.
Thanks everyone!