iChat AV 2.1 Update

[TorbX]

i get excited when they add microsoft messenger compatibility, because that's what people outside usa are using. (in finland it's roughly 66.7% msn messenger and 33.3% icq, and most icq people also have msn account. no aim here.)

even text-only with msn would make ichat shine.

Agreed completely. That is the situation here in Norway as well.

 

[MacBoyX]

I agree completly, I don't know anyone who doesn't use MSN.

I don't use it and don't hold you breath. Microsoft takes great strides to keep 3rd parties out of their network. Remember when AIM tried to get them to open up their service and allow them to work together?

It's going to be a loooooong time before you see this happen.

macboyX

 

[hayesk]

I don't use it and don't hold you breath. Microsoft takes great strides to keep 3rd parties out of their network. Remember when AIM tried to get them to open up their service and allow them to work together?

It's going to be a loooooong time before you see this happen.

Yep, they now want to charge license fees for third party clients. If Apple supported MSN, we'd have to pay for iChat. I'm not sure I want to pay for something where the bulk of the money goes to MS.

 

[~Shard~]

Nice to see an update, but I'm not really going to use iChat until more friends get iSights, until I get an iSight, and until the iSight comes down just a little in price. I know it's a good chat program on its own, but I just don't see myself using it unless I can exploit it's video chat capabilities.

 

[redAPPLE]

They probably can and it escapes me why they wouldn't. There are plenty of Windows VoIP software that work fine. (Skype!)

they would need it for iChat 3. you cannot have all the goodies in a .1 update.

besides, that is what SJ would say. "...before, you have to pay a lot of money to contact your grandparents. and you can't even see them. now, for just 49,99 $, you can see them, hear them, anytime you want (until iChat 4 that is)." 🙄

 

[JFreak]

If Apple supported MSN, we'd have to pay for iChat.

we already pay for ichat! it costs for jaguar users and is bundled with panther. the same thing with iphoto/imovie/garageband - the newest versions cost for old panther users and only come bundled free with new computers and presumably future operating system versions.

(on the other hand, everything you said about paying microsoft is true - i wouldn't like it happen; however, i'd like to see ichat shine and msn connectivity is a must even if it costs a little.)

 

[ktrout]

I have been trying to communicate with my friends who are using PCs and IM. We see each other within iChatAV (me) and IM (them) as far as being online. But when either of us tries to initiate a video chat we get the message the the other person did not respond - even though we did.

Now I have not yet tried the final release - all of my testing has been with the beta version. Has anyone else had this kind of problem and has the final version of iChatAV solved such problems?

jtmacb

I have had the same problem, and it seems to depend on the stability of the other person's internet connection. After a few tries it generally works, even when she is in East Nowhere on a cable modem shared between a lot of peeople. Picture quality is much lower under those circumstances, of course.

My chat buddy's machine crashes an awful lot too (2 y/o Dell Inspiron + XP Home), so I can't be sure that the general crapitude of her kit is not also a contributing factor.

 

[numediaman]

we already pay for ichat! it costs for jaguar users and is bundled with panther. the same thing with iphoto/imovie/garageband - the newest versions cost for old panther users and only come bundled free with new computers and presumably future operating system versions.

(on the other hand, everything you said about paying microsoft is true - i wouldn't like it happen; however, i'd like to see ichat shine and msn connectivity is a must even if it costs a little.)

Same old argument -- Apple should give away its products. Get over it. For $150 you can get Panther, new iChat, new iPhoto, new iMovie, new iDVD and GarageBand. You think it didn't cost Apple any money to develop or acquire these programs?

I have to upgrade to Adobe CS for $750. $150 seems like a bargain to me.

 

[ktrout]

Let's make this more than 1 v 1 communication and then we will be talkin'.

Have there been rumors regarding group video/audio chat in future versions?

If not, perhaps this will start one.

 

[JFreak]

i'm not whining, thank you very much. i also pay for my software and have no pirated material in my laptop. but i cannot think ichat is free software because it isn't, and i would in fact be willing to pay some to get that msn compatibility into ichat. really. i would pay rather than use microsoft's own free product.

 

[skvngrx]

multiple accounts

This is great (and I've been using the beta for a little while), but can you be signed on to both an AIM account and a .mac account at the same time?

Otherwise having the AOL video availability is pretty useless since I need to be on .mac for my isight enabled buddies.

 

[frankly]

This is great (and I've been using the beta for a little while), but can you be signed on to both an AIM account and a .mac account at the same time?

Otherwise having the AOL video availability is pretty useless since I need to be on .mac for my isight enabled buddies.

You can only be signed onto one account at a time. But why do you need to be signed on with your .mac name for your isight buddies to see you??? Just add them to your AIM buddy list.

Later, Frank

 

[frankly]

Same old argument -- Apple should give away its products. Get over it. For $150 you can get Panther, new iChat, new iPhoto, new iMovie, new iDVD and GarageBand. You think it didn't cost Apple any money to develop or acquire these programs?

I have to upgrade to Adobe CS for $750. $150 seems like a bargain to me.

He never said that it should be free. He was simply pointing out that it wasn't free because the person that he was responding to was saying, "but if they add feature x they will have to charge for iChat" as if they didn't already charge for it.

Pay attention before you slam someone.

Later, Frank

 

[frankly]

Anyone have a good workaround to let me see my buddies using Trillian while I'm logged in using my .mac account? If I use an AIM account I can see them, but not if I'm using my .mac account.

Any ideas?

I'm having good sucess with 2.1 so far.

I have this same problem with some of my AIM friends when I am signed on with my .mac account. It is not the fault of the .mac account, it is your friends settings in AIM/Trillian. They have their privacy settings set wrong so that people outside of AIM can't see them. I told one of my friends to adjust his settings and now I can see him no problem.

Later, Frank

 

[numediaman]

He never said that it should be free. He was simply pointing out that it wasn't free because the person that he was responding to was saying, "but if they add feature x they will have to charge for iChat" as if they didn't already charge for it.

Pay attention before you slam someone.

Later, Frank

Nice slam job yourself Frank. Sorry I defended Apple on a Mac board.

 

[skvngrx]

You can only be signed onto one account at a time. But why do you need to be signed on with your .mac name for your isight buddies to see you??? Just add them to your AIM buddy list.

Later, Frank

because I have a bunch of buddies with .Mac accounts with iSights, and also PC users with AOL only and other cams... Right now I'm restricting myself to only video chatting with the .mac people.

 

[skvngrx]

because I have a bunch of buddies with .Mac accounts with iSights, and also PC users with AOL only and other cams... Right now I'm restricting myself to only video chatting with the .mac people.

or are you saying you can send a message from a AIM account to a .mac account using ichat? I always thought you had to be logged in to AIM to send and receive AIM messages, and logged in to .mac to send and receive .mac...?

while we're at it - groups in the buddylist? Oh and somebody else mentioned tabs - I do like that idea. or even a way to dock a text chat with someone into the video chat with the same person.

 

[skvngrx]

or are you saying you can send a message from a AIM account to a .mac account using ichat? I always thought you had to be logged in to AIM to send and receive AIM messages, and logged in to .mac to send and receive .mac...?

while we're at it - groups in the buddylist? Oh and somebody else mentioned tabs - I do like that idea. or even a way to dock a text chat with someone into the video chat with the same person.

OK, I'm an idiot. I think I never realized that the .mac accounts are actually AIM accounts. or at least that there is a gateway or something.

does anybody know how that really works? (does apple just register xxx@mac.com with AIM as an AIM user? does AOL have a concession to apple that "anything@mac.com" is taken, and route all the requests through an apple server?

 

[JFreak]

Sorry I defended Apple on a Mac board.

you can do that 🙂 i just said i'd want ichat to be better app it currently is, and apple is more than capable of doing that if they had the will.

 

[Kagetenshi]

Since @ isn't usually a legal character for AIM SNs, they don't have to make any concessions. I'm not sure exactly how it works, but they are interoperable.

(Does anyone else feel like the word "interoperable" is missing an "ate"?)

~J

 

[bar italia]

Nice slam job yourself Frank. Sorry I defended Apple on a Mac board.

Uh oh. Looks like someone can dish it out, but can't take it. 🙄

 

[frankly]

Nice slam job yourself Frank. Sorry I defended Apple on a Mac board.

Are you serious with this response???

Perhaps you should take a moment to actually read things before you respond to them. You definitely have a problem because now you have responded incorrectly to two posts. Let's get two things straight here:

1) I didn't slam you.
2) You weren't defending Apple.

The person you were responding to was obviously an Apple fan. He was simply pointing out a mistake in a previous post. You then chose to misinterpret what he said and blast him for something he NEVER SAID. And while you were blasting him for something he NEVER SAID, you then proceeded to tell him to "get over it."

Now, just for the record, I am slamming you now. READ BEFORE YOU RESPOND!!!!

Later, Frank

 

[aethier]

are we able to login with our msn username, because i don't want to have to add manuelly my over 90 contacts from msn,

aethier

 

[LEgregius]

MSN

are we able to login with our msn username, because i don't want to have to add manuelly my over 90 contacts from msn,

aethier

No, It doesn't use the MSN service. It uses AIM (AOL), so you can't talk to MSN contacts using it.

 

[aethier]

No, It doesn't use the MSN service. It uses AIM (AOL), so you can't talk to MSN contacts using it.

umm.. thats the big thing with this update, that it is msn compatible..


aethier


EDIT: OOPS, i read AOL Messenger 5.5, and must have got exccited, and disregarded the AOL part, and assumed it was MSN, sorry, who cares about AOL...