iChat AV 2.1 Update

[jtmacb]

PC users and iChatAV

so it always did this ...

Yes, it always has done this. No matter who initiates the video chat the other person gets the invitation, responds to it, and the the person initiating the chat gets a message saying that the other person has not or did not respond - or there is an error message saying that a connection could not be made. This is in spite of the PC person using 5.5 of IM and me using the latest iChat AV beta. I have not tried this with the final updated version.

 

[killmoms]

EDIT: OOPS, i read AOL Messenger 5.5, and must have got exccited, and disregarded the AOL part, and assumed it was MSN, sorry, who cares about AOL...

All the people I know. I know, literally, three people who use MSN Messenger, and they all have AIM screennames. It does seem to be the norm, at least in the US. Don't know if you're from somewhere else.

--Cless

 

[JFreak]

It does seem to be the norm, at least in the US. Don't know if you're from somewhere else.

outside usa it's just the opposite - nobody uses aim, except .mac subscribers. here in europe almost everyone has msn, and while icq is also popular most icq users also have msn.

if apple wants ichat to be used outside usa, they better add msn & icq support.

 

[tex210]

identity crisis

I thought ICQ was AIM?

outside usa it's just the opposite - nobody uses aim, except .mac subscribers. here in europe almost everyone has msn, and while icq is also popular most icq users also have msn.

if apple wants ichat to be used outside usa, they better add msn & icq support.

 

[TorbX]

All the people I know. I know, literally, three people who use MSN Messenger, and they all have AIM screennames. It does seem to be the norm, at least in the US. Don't know if you're from somewhere else.

--Cless

Yes, that may be the norm in the US of A. But I just CANT understand WHY!? I mean, have you guys ever even compared the two programs? I usually dont say this about microsoft, but MSN Messenger is quite a neat little program. Compared to AIM 5.5 its heaven. Come on, AIM is so 1994! The colours, the buttons, the non-intuitive GUI...

UAGH...!!!

 

[JFreak]

I thought ICQ was AIM?

no, it's not, it's icq; however, it's supposed to be compatible somehow but it's flaky. i think supporting icq would be much easier for apple [than supporting msn], but i guess they will some day announce the support for both at the same time. if at all...

 

[mainstreetmark]

Someone should just make some type of hub service, where, out on the internet somewhere is some entity that can speak to all the services available. Someone sends it a message in say, MSN, it hears it and relays it to you in your single chat medium of choice. When you respond, the message is relayed back to the original sender in the original medium (MSN).

That way, people like me would just need to connect once, and not have to wrestle with Adium or Proteus, each of which are half finished in different ways.

All these different mediums are just becoming a pain.

 

[ktrout]

I agree completly, I don't know anyone who doesn't use MSN.

I don't.

Now you know someone who doesn't use MS Messenger.

 

[tex210]

same company edit: as of 1998.

http://news.com.com/2100-1023-963699.html
http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2004/03/15/aol_embraces_social_networking/

no, it's not, it's icq; however, it's supposed to be compatible somehow but it's flaky. i think supporting icq would be much easier for apple [than supporting msn], but i guess they will some day announce the support for both at the same time. if at all...

 

[Karlchen]

Audio disabled when iSight turned off

When I turn off my iSight manually (turning on the ring...) my audio option is turned off as well, even though I was not video-conferencing....

That seems to be one great improvement of the new update...
:-(

Anyone else notice that ?

 

[rtdunham]

update won't install

i'm getting an error message that the update can't be installed because "iChat AV 2.0 was not found in /Applications". I have the iChat AV 2.1 beta there...what do i have to do to upgrade to the new version? Where would i get the old AV 2.0? why won't it update from the beta to the "real" version?
any suggestions?
terry

 

[JFreak]

http://news.com.com/2100-1023-963699.html

that's exactly what i meant by stating the compatibility is flaky - can you add icq accounts to your ichat address book? -no. can you talk to icq buddies with ichat? -no.

they are two different systems and ichat plays nice with one of them. for icq user to talk to aim user and vice versa, they need to use icq and aim software.

i want to use ichat for instant messaging, but i can't. most people in europe have msn and that's what ichat needs to be compatible with as most icq people also have msn account and don't mind using it. if ichat cannot talk to neither of them, it's useless in europe as aim is totally not supported here.

even icq support in ichat would be a plus, but it's not enough to make ichat really shine. sad but true, apple needs microsoft in this case...

 

[frankly]

even icq support in ichat would be a plus, but it's not enough to make ichat really shine. sad but true, apple needs microsoft in this case...

Actually, I think that what needs to happen is for instant message transmission to be standardized. That way anyone could instant message anyone with an IM account, no matter where they got it or what software they are using. Just like email.

Later, Frank

 

[ingenious]

yes they do

That's what i'm waiting for. Also, it's useless if the people using AOL IM dont upgrade to the latest version. And AOL dont send out any information when they release new versions of IM. I use to be versions behind and not know it.🙁

AOL does too send out notices when your version is behind. I have gotten them before. (upgrade from 5.2 to 5.5)

 

[ingenious]

gotcha

i'm getting an error message that the update can't be installed because "iChat AV 2.0 was not found in /Applications". I have the iChat AV 2.1 beta there...what do i have to do to upgrade to the new version? Where would i get the old AV 2.0? why won't it update from the beta to the "real" version?
any suggestions?
terry

open ichat, click "iChat (beta)" menu and then click 'revert to ichat 2.0' then try to install.

 

[ingenious]

or

Someone should just make some type of hub service, where, out on the internet somewhere is some entity that can speak to all the services available. Someone sends it a message in say, MSN, it hears it and relays it to you in your single chat medium of choice. When you respond, the message is relayed back to the original sender in the original medium (MSN).

That way, people like me would just need to connect once, and not have to wrestle with Adium or Proteus, each of which are half finished in different ways.

All these different mediums are just becoming a pain.

or they should just make all IM networks compatible with each other. I agree, I like different ones for different reasons. I like Yahoo! IM for its great AV ability on windows (havent tried it on a mac) and AOL for buddy icons (on win, sorry only use MSN and ichat on my mac) and i love MSN messenger 6 for all of its features. On the mac, i love ichat's simplicity and the rendezvous feature. I like MSN for its great Aqua look. There just needs to be interoperablity between everything and a client or clients that support every feature of every other one on mac windows and linux.

 

[neon]

I don't.

Now you know someone who doesn't use MS Messenger.

me either. and i'm in the uk!
if people want to talk to me and don't use aim it's sort of tough.

 

[JFreak]

Actually, I think that what needs to happen is for instant message transmission to be standardized.

true. but it will not happen without msn & aim working together.

 

[killmoms]

or they should just make all IM networks compatible with each other. I agree, I like different ones for different reasons. I like Yahoo! IM for its great AV ability on windows (havent tried it on a mac) and AOL for buddy icons (on win, sorry only use MSN and ichat on my mac) and i love MSN messenger 6 for all of its features. On the mac, i love ichat's simplicity and the rendezvous feature. I like MSN for its great Aqua look. There just needs to be interoperablity between everything and a client or clients that support every feature of every other one on mac windows and linux.

Yeah, the only problem with that being that the client makers don't want that to happen, so all the folks who are trying to do that have to do it the hard way: reverse engineering. It makes for slow progress and feature-lag.

It doesn't help that the project that's farthest along (in most areas), Trillian, is PC-only and closed source. I love Trillian, and paid for it, and still use it on the PC. I'd love to see it come to MacOS X (or at least be outsourced to some Mac devs if they don't want to hire them in-house), but they've pretty much said "we're not doing it."

On the Mac, all three multi-IM clients (Adium, Proteus, and Fire) have their strong and weak points, and they're all in different areas. Adium and Proteus both have better interfaces (IMHO) than Fire, and Adium's is more customizable, but Proteus has the message drawer (which is awesome) and the others don't. Adium supports file-transfer (though only halfway right now) and Proteus doesn't at all. In the interest of full-disclosure, I haven't used Fire in a long time; I was so turned off by its interface that I haven't touched it since last October or so.

To bring this back around on-topic (sort of), iChat is the most fully-featured AIM client on the Mac that isn't AIM proper, but it's missing "duh!" items like profiles. And, it's one of the few Apple apps where I disagree with a significant number of the interface choices made, and of course I can't really customize it. About the only thing I plan to use it for is video conferencing once I get an iSight.

--Cless

 

[settledown]

you can use icq in ichat

im pretty sure if you go to address book and enter their icq NUMBER to the AIM name, then add the address book contact to ichat it will see the icq NUMBER

I say number because you cant use the icq name.

try it and let us know