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iChat AV v2.1

Re: Re: Re: Re: TwoMore Big iSight Problems!

Originally posted by Engagebot
microphone != microphone

What i mean is the crappy high impedence mic built into either the PB or the iSight is not what you want to make any kind of semi-quality recording. woohoo, you paid $100 for a nice firewire camera....and a mic just to get the job done. big deal, even a run of the mill real mic is going to cost you that much. if you want some real quality, go buy an SM57 for $80 or so (but just a warning, you dont get a free firewire cam with it)
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You could always do what I do; hook up your Canon XL-1 to iChat so you can brag about having a webcam that cost four grand. :D
 
Originally posted by Engagebot
4 pin firewire is not just specifically iLink. These are both legitimate IEEE 1394 ports. just look at any non-sony dv camera. i've yet to see one with a 6 pin port. you just have to make sure you use a 6 pin port with any device that needs power.
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iLink absolutely has no power. That is why it is called iLink and not firewire. Sony did not want to pay Apple in order to use firewire so they removed the power portion and called it iLink. They are totally two different things.

DV cameras use too much power to draw power from the computer so it uses its own power, therefore does not need a true powered firewire cable.
 
WORKING!!!!!!!

Yes, It's working!!!
I'm running pb G4 1ghz 1.25ram
he's running xp.

I have isight and iChatAV Beta downloaded earlier today. he's just updated AIM 5.5 from5.2.

Video and Audio are both working SMOOTHLY. Apparently very good video (he works for a film company, too!) :)

I am so glad it works.

BUGS I've noticed and sent to Apple.
Now the problem is.
His icon shows VIDEO but does not show anything when I don't have the iSight plugged in.
When we're connected (I double clicked on his video icon and was accepted), it's garbage on the video screen here but he can see and hear me fine.

He did not have a cam nor mic. all ONE WAY.

Just found a bug.
I unplugged iSight. then clicked on my own video icon and iChat just quits.

Hope this gives some hope! It's working!
 
Originally posted by Saints1
iLink absolutely has no power. That is why it is called iLink and not firewire. Sony did not want to pay Apple in order to use firewire so they removed the power portion and called it iLink. They are totally two different things.

DV cameras use too much power to draw power from the computer so it uses its own power, therefore does not need a true powered firewire cable.
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they are not two different things. the IEEE supports both specifications of the same interface.

apple only owns the trademark on the name 'firewire', they dont have any say over the specifications of the actual interface. thats why we have the IEEE. In the same way, sony only owns the trademark to the name 'iLink', not the 4pin IEEE1394 interface. Sony didnt have to change something about 1394 to keep apple off their back. its just that for whatever reason, sony chooses to ship the majority of their machines with 4 pin instead of 6 pin 1394.

1394 isnt up for revisions by any manufacturer. thats what the IEEE is. the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers is the industry's standards institute.

'Airport' is an apple branded name, but its based on the IEEE 802.11b standard. the standard was developed and agreed upon at the IEEE. apple just trademarked a name.
 
I can only audio chat one-way even after the pc user installed the xp component. Also, half the time, i get the no data after 10 seconds error. I hope these are fixed soon because I have been waiting to video chat with my family for awhile.
 
Little Tip

A little tip I forgot to pass on earlier from my PC friend Scott.

He said that he HAD to click on my name on the list in AIM 5.5 to be able to see my video. Otherwise it defaults to his "cam" which he didnt' have any when we conducted the experiment.

Hope that helps...
 
Wow, just finished my first video chat ever with some family in Nashville. Absolutely perfect connection, no issues, lasted for half an hour, great!

They were using a usb camera into some sort of breakout box on their end, into a IBM thinkpad running XP and AIM 5.5.

I had my Sony DV camera attached to iChat via firewire, which of course looked great to them.

One thing, I guess the video image was tiny on their end of things. So AIM doesn't have adjustable window size?

Anyhow, great technology!

--One more thing, they had it set up to automatically accept all chats, so we just appeared onto the Thinkpad screen in video form. Great!
 
Originally posted by heathpitts
invisible to other users:

This can be accomplished by going into prefs and choosing the privacy tab. you can let everyone see you, certain people see you, only your buddies, on no one, or everyone.

This is in response to the aim 5.5 "invisible" question.
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Ahh...not the same. Yes you can choose to block people, choose to allow people but it's not the same.

In Yahoo! and now AIM 5.5 when you are invisible no one can see you but you can see everyone. On iChat, when you put someone on the block list, they can't see you but you can't see them either. It's a big difference. Again, I like when I am on Yahoo! Messenger at work I can go on, find the coworker I need and IM him without anyone else knowing I am there, but I can also choose to say Hi to a friend as well without having to have thought ahead of time to say don't block so and so. And to the other person who told me to use away, all my Mac friends know that means nothing so they IM any way, very embarassing if someone is in my cube and see an IM pop up. This feature really needs to be in iChat.

macboyX
 
I got it working :)

I forwarded all ports listed and still did not work, then I removed the NAT Binding for SIP port 5060 in my router and it now works (apple document I posted before notes something about SIP settings in routers)....

Will remove port forwards later and see if it still works.

Yes audio and video worked both ends :)

Quality OK on audio, video not good but friend had USB Cam.

Hopefully this will improve.
 
YES YES YES

All port forwards removed from the router and it still works.

Either end can start the call and works fine :)

Just remove any SIP port 5060 NAT Helper/Binding from your router
 
I guess some of the problems stem from the fact that two different companies (Apple and AOL) are trying to independently develop software together to make it work. This is probably harder to do than seems for us, hence the beta and hence the problems. As this is a beta release, I wouldn't worry if not everything works as it should yet.

Regarding non-resizable video on AIM, well it's another reason to own a Mac!

So far, has anyone actually got a 2-way audio-only chat going, with no web cams on either computer? It's hard to tell from all of the above posts, but currently this would be my only option. I'm waiting for a reply from my family at home that they've downloaded AIM and got that old microphone out of the attic. Too bad everyone I know has MSN...
 
Originally posted by Stike
I just found out... the download button does not appear in Safari 1.2. Bad bad bad publicity for Apple, I think :(
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I have latest Safari update and the download button was there for me :D
 
I still wish iChat AV had the //roll dice command that AIM has (//roll-diceX-sidesY). Then I could use iChat for a chat-based game of Dungeons & Dragons.
 
Originally posted by johnnyjibbs
I guess some of the problems stem from the fact that two different companies (Apple and AOL) are trying to independently develop software together to make it work. This is probably harder to do than seems for us, hence the beta and hence the problems. As this is a beta release, I wouldn't worry if not everything works as it should yet.
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Is AIM 5.5 a beta or full release? If it's full it seems Apple has to conform more to AOL, as we're just at beta.
 
Just anote. Worked fine last night when I tried it. PC's got XP and crappy $15 webcam with mic built into computer.

me iSight pb g4.

Audio is very delayed ( at least going from my side though earlier test with a different person resulted in both smooth audio and video ONE WAY)

picture is good.

So,YES... 2 way or one way Video/Audio.
 
That's good to hear. I've got to work more on my family and friends for them to get Macs :D. My mum loves my PowerBook and can see how getting a Mac would provide them with an all-in-one solution for everything, then says she's happy with our new Dell..
 
I got my parents wanting an iMac after seeing how problem free and happy I have been with my two PowerBooks while they have had one nightmare after another with their PCs, the only problem was that an iMac was $1500 while the Dell they bought instead was only $980. My parents just couldn't justify paying over $1100 tops for a computer and my dad didn't want to look at an eMac because he was all about getting an LCD display.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: TwoMore Big iSight Problems!

... and what I mean is that Macintoshes should just work... period. Yes, I know that the quality from my $100 iSight mic would probably be poor, but it may be good enough to play with GarageBand. The quality of the iSight mic on my desktop would also probably be better in many respects than the mic built into my Powerbook. This is, after all, an "i" Suite. The problem is that now I have to use two microphones with my Mac. My Mac just got more complicated to use, more wires, less desktop, etc.

I just want things to work like a Macintosh should...

I also really wish they'd get audio support for Yahoo Chat!


Originally posted by Engagebot
microphone != microphone

What i mean is the crappy high impedence mic built into either the PB or the iSight is not what you want to make any kind of semi-quality recording. woohoo, you paid $100 for a nice firewire camera....and a mic just to get the job done. big deal, even a run of the mill real mic is going to cost you that much. if you want some real quality, go buy an SM57 for $80 or so (but just a warning, you dont get a free firewire cam with it)
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Could someone explain to me why two friend of mine do not have webcams, yet they have video icons next to their names? (clicking the video icons says no packets received after 10 seconds).
 
Originally posted by Powerbook G5
I got my parents wanting an iMac after seeing how problem free and happy I have been with my two PowerBooks while they have had one nightmare after another with their PCs, the only problem was that an iMac was $1500 while the Dell they bought instead was only $980. My parents just couldn't justify paying over $1100 tops for a computer and my dad didn't want to look at an eMac because he was all about getting an LCD display.
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Yep, the Dell was cheaper. Next time, I'll try and persuade them to consider a Mac. The Dell they have now will run my mum's PC-only Family Tree software (not that they can't still use my old PC for that anyway) but my Dad only uses Excel so he'd be fine with a Mac. It would be great to video conference with my parents at the weekend instead of them complaining about the phone bill.
 
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