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iCloud drive misinterpretation

Merkie said:
So there's a standalone app for pretty much every device except iOS devices? Yeah, sure, totally not misleading. :confused:

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That's only possible if you can trust every app to have the document picker included. Which we can't.

One single "iCloud Drive" app would fix everything.

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No, that would make too much sense.
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What do you mean "trust" every App? The Apps have to be updated to support iCloud Drive. Period. When they are, you will get a unique experience in each one. Unfortunately Apple cannot just bundle an iCloud Drive App where you are allowed pick any file, pick any App, and GO. It simply wouldn't work. Apps need to be updated anyway. And once they are, you don't need the dedicated App at all.

One of the things I've done already on Yosemite is create an iCloud Downloads folder inside iCloud Drive, and change Safari's default downloads location to this folder. Going to try more things like this, to see how easy it is to migrate entirely to iCloud, and not worry about local-only file management. Also, it will essentially give me the ability to view my entire Mac on iOS, with enough compatible Apps to do so.
 
Padmini said:
What do you mean "trust" every App? The Apps have to be updated to support iCloud Drive. Period. When they are, you will get a unique experience in each one. Unfortunately Apple cannot just bundle an iCloud Drive App where you are allowed pick any file, pick any App, and GO. It simply wouldn't work. Apps need to be updated anyway. And once they are, you don't need the dedicated App at all.
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The OneDrive and DropBox apps work pretty well on iOS. You get a lot more control over your storage having a dedicated app. I can select a file, and open it in another app just fine.
 
It's misleading on the iPhone, but you can clearly see "how" it works on an ipad.
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Padmini said:
What do you mean "trust" every App? The Apps have to be updated to support iCloud Drive. Period. When they are, you will get a unique experience in each one. Unfortunately Apple cannot just bundle an iCloud Drive App where you are allowed pick any file, pick any App, and GO. It simply wouldn't work. Apps need to be updated anyway. And once they are, you don't need the dedicated App at all.

One of the things I've done already on Yosemite is create an iCloud Downloads folder inside iCloud Drive, and change Safari's default downloads location to this folder. Going to try more things like this, to see how easy it is to migrate entirely to iCloud, and not worry about local-only file management. Also, it will essentially give me the ability to view my entire Mac on iOS, with enough compatible Apps to do so.
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If I have a seperate iCloud Drive app, then I can easily find out which apps can do something with a certain file. Now, I have no idea. I don't understand why Apple is so extremely opposed to "file management".
 
Padmini said:
Unfortunately Apple cannot just bundle an iCloud Drive App where you are allowed pick any file, pick any App, and GO. It simply wouldn't work.
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And again we come full circle. This is what everyone is was expecting and with good reason. Apple didn't present it very well at the keynote and they still don't.

Apple thinks you're too stupid to manage files.
 
Belmont31R said:
Even using Yosemite for a while now the idea of iCloud Drive being a Dropbox or OneDrive replacement is laughable. iCloud Drive is so limited in functionality on our end its not worth using besides iCloud backups if you use that. I don't. I backup my phone to my Mac. And DropBox and OneDrive both have both have automatic photo backups if you want to.
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And the weird thing is it's not simpler to use than those apps either. If anything it's harder, because it's difficult to know if you can't do something because you're doing it wrong or because it's been implemented so inconsistently across apps.
 
dlemaymt said:
It is possible and definitely true. Try it: Open iMovie for iOS, create a movie and then tap the "Add Media" icon. You will get a list of sources which include iCloud Drive. If you tap iCloud Drive, you will get exactly this file picker.

Edit: well, nomad01 types faster than me...
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And you can add DropBox as a source.
 
Belmont31R said:
The OneDrive and DropBox apps work pretty well on iOS. You get a lot more control over your storage having a dedicated app. I can select a file, and open it in another app just fine.
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I cannot agree that the Dropbox app is in any way a good experience on iOS.

It sucks actually. Navigating a lot of files that way is miserable. I'd rather an invisible cloud file system, and doing my works in Apps, and calling up files as needed, rather than spending time scrolling through a list of files.

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Monique1 said:
And again we come full circle. This is what everyone is was expecting and with good reason. Apple didn't present it very well at the keynote and they still don't.

Apple thinks you're too stupid to manage files.
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They did present it well. It never should have been taken as a file management App...this is iOS after all....Apple doesn't think you're too stupid....they just know there is a much better way.

I can't believe we're still there....some people still complaining about not having the joy of a navigable file system on iOS....is it 2007? My goodness.

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Belmont31R said:
Even using Yosemite for a while now the idea of iCloud Drive being a Dropbox or OneDrive replacement is laughable.
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Somehow I've managed to convert 90% over to iCloud Drive as opposed to Dropbox. The only thing I've kept with Dropbox is my free storage and public folder, for when I need to send a file to someone via URL. The only feature truly missing from iCloud Drive.

Beyond that, I can't imagine why I ever paid dropbox the money I did.
 
deviant said:
It's misleading on the iPhone, but you can clearly see "how" it works on an ipad.
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Yeah, this picutre shows access to iCloud Drive files on what appears to be pages. I have searched the updates pages and there is no functionality like that at all. What on earth are Apple playing at.....no only a misrepresented product but they don't even follow through on the website visuals.
 
Padmini said:
I cannot agree that the Dropbox app is in any way a good experience on iOS.

It sucks actually. Navigating a lot of files that way is miserable. I'd rather an invisible cloud file system, and doing my works in Apps, and calling up files as needed, rather than spending time scrolling through a list of files.

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They did present it well. It never should have been taken as a file management App...this is iOS after all....Apple doesn't think you're too stupid....they just know there is a much better way.

I can't believe we're still there....some people still complaining about not having the joy of a navigable file system on iOS....is it 2007? My goodness.

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Somehow I've managed to convert 90% over to iCloud Drive as opposed to Dropbox. The only thing I've kept with Dropbox is my free storage and public folder, for when I need to send a file to someone via URL. The only feature truly missing from iCloud Drive.

Beyond that, I can't imagine why I ever paid dropbox the money I did.
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I use folders in my other cloud services, and its very easy for me to navigate. We use a file explorer system on OS X. I don't know why people would think thats so hard on iOS.

And I can have one folder with a variety of file types in it. I want to see them all at once to keep track of what I have, and not have to go from app to app to app to see whats in a folder. Right now, if I want to see pictures in iCloud Drive, I have to go to the Photos app or iPhoto on Mac. If I need a pdf I have to open up a different app.

For the life of me I cannot understand why having a centralized place to view everything is such a horrible thing. They could still have the functionality of having apps being able to open up the file picker but adding a central app to manage my data is a must. Right now I cannot manage my data, create folders, or move files around as needed from my phone. Every other cloud app on iOS that I've used has this functionality.

I simply do not want to have to go from app to app to app and so on just to see what I have in iCloud Drive or even open up a file. If I had a word doc on iCloud Drive, I'd like to at least have a preview function within a central app, and then be able to open up that file in another app via a button option. Then, I'd also like to have Office be able to open files from iCloud Drive just like the app already does with OneDrive.

On Yosemite, if I go to Finder, and open up iCloud Drive, I cannot see the photos I have taken from my phone. I have to go to iPhoto, and then go to iCloud. This is absurd, and the functionality is WAY reduced from other cloud services.

This isn't so much about 'ease of use' but functionality. Not being able to manage ALL OF MY DATA from iOS or OS X is a deal breaker for me. Not be able to view ALL OF MY DATA at once, on either iOS or OS X, is a deal breaker.
 
Belmont31R said:
On Yosemite, if I go to Finder, and open up iCloud Drive, I cannot see the photos I have taken from my phone. I have to go to iPhoto, and then go to iCloud. This is absurd, and the functionality is WAY reduced from other cloud services.
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Yosemite is still in beta, plus there is a new Photos app coming soonish.
 
I'm confused!! How does idrive work! This was the only thing I wanted from ios8 the rest is
*****. My photos are all over the place! Not happy!
 
Padmini said:
They did present it well. It never should have been taken as a file management App...this is iOS after all....Apple doesn't think you're too stupid....they just know there is a much better way.
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Well whatever this 'much better way' is, it certainly isn't the trash Apple is peddling as iCloud Drive now. I find it mind boggling that they would release such a thing. Zero to no navigation is not a good thing sorry. Apple is all about simplifying, but its gotten to the point where its not intuitive at all.

I'll stick with OneDrive for now.
 
furam90 said:
Well whatever this 'much better way' is, it certainly isn't the trash Apple is peddling as iCloud Drive now. I find it mind boggling that they would release such a thing. Zero to no navigation is not a good thing sorry. Apple is all about simplifying, but its gotten to the point where its not intuitive at all.

I'll stick with OneDrive for now.
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I might have to return to google drive
 
furam90 said:
Well whatever this 'much better way' is, it certainly isn't the trash Apple is peddling as iCloud Drive now. I find it mind boggling that they would release such a thing. Zero to no navigation is not a good thing sorry. Apple is all about simplifying, but its gotten to the point where its not intuitive at all.

I'll stick with OneDrive for now.
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Clearly there are things missing that are supposed to be here. Its a half-baked launch.

Trying to understand why I cannot access iCloud Drive documents (aside from those in the App folder) in the newly updated iWork suite.

Some key, that was supposed to be here, is not here.
 
Padmini said:
Clearly there are things missing that are supposed to be here. Its a half-baked launch.

Trying to understand why I cannot access iCloud Drive documents (aside from those in the App folder) in the newly updated iWork suite.

Some key, that was supposed to be here, is not here.
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Hmmm, seems to work like I would expect it to. Of course, my expectations were never for a file system app. I just loaded a new word document from my PC into the Pages folder, and I was able to see and load it just fine in Pages on my iPhone. If Apple wants you to add all Pages documents to the Pages folder, what exactly is wrong with that thinking? I, for one, like it.

While I am used to the Windows file system, I am just fine with how this is working so far. I don't want to spend gads of time moving things around and such. I have better things to do with my time.
 
goofy1958 said:
Hmmm, seems to work like I would expect it to. Of course, my expectations were never for a file system app. I just loaded a new word document from my PC into the Pages folder, and I was able to see and load it just fine in Pages on my iPhone. If Apple wants you to add all Pages documents to the Pages folder, what exactly is wrong with that thinking? I, for one, like it.

While I am used to the Windows file system, I am just fine with how this is working so far. I don't want to spend gads of time moving things around and such. I have better things to do with my time.
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Why? Because as a college student I like to order my data into folders. I have one folder from old semesters and one for my current semester. Current semester is further broken down into a folder for each class.

If I use Pages, and iCloud Drive, I don't want one Pages folder with a mass of documents all from different subjects, times, ect.
 
I think we have determined that Apple's communication of iCloud drive to the general consumer is misleading. Most of the developers and techies seem to think it is obvious, with comments such as "we knew the whole time", while more casual users are surprised by the lack of an iCloud drive app, probably due to the pictures used my apple in their marketing, the descriptions used, and the title "iCloud Drive" sounding very much like Google Drive which does have an app.

Apple have always been proud of their ability to "get their message across" so I think they need to work a bit harder on selling iCloud drive and its benefits.
 
We would like to have different docs in the same folder

Looking at Apples homepage I was under the impression that you could have one folder with different type of files in. I prefer to have one folder for each customer, not one folder for each type of document.

But I am sure Apple will introduce that with the release of Yosemite.
 
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