iCloud = No 64GB iPhone?

[thunderbunny]

Given the fact that there is the cap on 3G downloads for apps and something like a 20Mb limit on opening files from iDisk currently on an iDevice we might guess there will be file size restrictions on iCloud. People will need(want) to store large files such as movies so can't see any let-up in storage capacity increases.

 

[pezasied182]

You cannot stream anything from iCloud to your device. You have to DOWNLOAD media on your physical device to play anything. Thus the continued need for local storage - even more so.

It's amazing how many people misunderstand even the simplest concepts.

Tony

I understand iCloud, I'm not an idiot, my point was you never need 64gb of media on your phone at one time, you will never use that much. With iCloud, you can delete and download stuff as you need/want it. That is what Apple wants you to do.

 

[TLewis]

I understand iCloud, I'm not an idiot, my point was you never need 64gb of media on your phone at one time, you will never use that much. With iCloud, you can delete and download stuff as you need/want it. That is what Apple wants you to do.

Just because you won't use more than 64GB, doesn't mean that others won't. Sure, you can delete and download, but why bother to delete if you don't have to?

There's a market for 64GB and larger devices -- and Apple will be more than happy to sell them, as there's a ton of profit to be made there ("Buy this expensive high-end iPhone with ginormous capacity, and you'll have to delete less!"). The iPhone's memory is currently "limited" because the high-density chips needed for higher-capacity are either too expensive, low-yield, or both. The IP4 didn't get a memory bump over the 3GS because the required chips didn't exist back then, and we probably haven't seen an IP4 w/more memory because Apple's been likely too busy with the Verizon iPhone and the next iPhone. I'm sure we'll see higher-capacity iPhones in the future, although the rate at which they appear depends upon how quickly higher-density flash RAM is developed.

 

[ucfgrad93]

While I don't know for sure, I think there will not be a 64GB iPhone because of iCloud.

 

[ViPhone]

The existence of iCloud will detract little, if at all, from the ever present need for extra physical storage space on your iOS device.

Personally, I would love a 64GB iPhone. But I will most likely purchase something like this instead, which has gotten mostly positive reviews:

http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Wi-D...APEI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312335986&sr=8-1

 

[TLewis]

Personally, I would love a 64GB iPhone. But I will most likely purchase something like this instead, which has gotten mostly positive reviews:

http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Wi-D...APEI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312335986&sr=8-1

Did you read the review at the above link? Not being able to use the drive while charging it would be a dealbreaker for me.

 

[darkfiber]

They have 64GB iPod Touch's and iPad's so why not? I would definitely buy a 64GB iPhone. My iPhone is my main music device and I like having a large music collection with me. I also have lots of apps. I also shoot lots of photos with my iPhone 4's camera. Then when you start shooting lots of HD video with the iPhone 4 that takes up lots of space. If the megapixels on the new iPhone go up then even more space will be needed. Surely not everyone will have a need for a 64GB iPhone, but I sure wish they would at least offer one for those that want it.

 

[VulchR]

Actually, I hope Apple increases the capacity of the iPhone up to the point it is affordable. Local storage is never going to be replaced by the cloud, because there are far too many places on earth that are sunny ('cloudless') and there are security risks (no way my university allows me to store confidential information about students in the US rather than the EU). Besides, 3G is s-l-o-w and 4G is expensive, so I cannot believe using the cloud routinely will be economically viable. Finally, I can't imagine Apple and Google coming to the same conclusions about the role that the cloud will play in the future: one of them is going to lose out big time, and Google will win only if high-speed mobile network access becomes ubiquitous, cheap, and not penalized with exorbitant fees for accessing data across national boundaries.

 

[sentinelsx]

I'm not an idiot, my point was you never need 64gb of media on your phone at one time, you will never use that much.

I almost always throw up when I see someone trying to dictate to others what they "need" on their device.

I don't convert my movies to mp4s thanks to avplayer and I take tons of pictures on the phone as well have a huge library of songs, podcasts etc too. Also I live in Canada which means overpriced and very limited data plans and overall crap speeds in big cities like Toronto despite all the nickel-and-diming.

So yeah I do "need" 64gb, actually I need far more but 64 will still do. Thanks for your concerns though.

 

[JetBlack7]

And you know this how, exactly? Current sales figures of 64GB iPhones??

I don't, but simply put, if a very successful brand like Apple has a huge demand for a 64GB model they would have made it already because they can financially produce anything they want.

 

[tirk]

I don't, but simply put, if a very successful brand like Apple has a huge demand for a 64GB model they would have made it already because they can financially produce anything they want.

Unless, as the thread starter seemed to be suggesting, Apple see it as competing with iCloud?

And Apple, for all their successes, do make mistakes.

 

[ajvizzgamer101]

Nope, I think 64GB is a reasonable request, regardless if you have iCloud or not. iCloud isn't a "digital locker," and it doesn't stream (yet!). It simply keeps everything synced. So if you downloaded an App on iTunes you better have enough storage on your iPhone/iPad because it downloads on iDevices the second you download on iTunes.

 

[admanimal]

I understand iCloud, I'm not an idiot, my point was you never need 64gb of media on your phone at one time, you will never use that much. With iCloud, you can delete and download stuff as you need/want it. That is what Apple wants you to do.

This makes no sense. People with large music/movie collections don't want to constantly delete and re-download things, nor is there any benefit whatsoever to you or Apple in doing so. All it does is waste your and Apple's bandwidth.

And for things other than iTunes purchases, deleting it from your device will usually mean deleting it from the cloud as well, since the cloud is just there to mirror your devices.

 

[ESPN]

what does cloud storage have to do with local storage, not to mention that it's only 5GB. you also realize that the iPad and iPod touch have 64GB models, right?

They both are storage areas that can store documents, projects, musics, movies....

You do realize that iPhone is a phone with less real estate than ipod touch/ipad to put flash chips inside.

Apple knows there is an untapped money market with iCloud for users like you who always needs more space. Paying annually for iCloud will increase Apple's profits rather than just getting a 64GB one. Plus 98% if the people out there have no need for sizes larger than 32GB.

1-Low market demand
2-Arduous task of putting in another 32GB flash chip
3-iCloud money potential

3 reasons why Apple will NOT release a 64 GB iPhone.

 

[Interstella5555]

I don't, but simply put, if a very successful brand like Apple has a huge demand for a 64GB model they would have made it already because they can financially produce anything they want.

Really...It's not just about throwing a 64GB drive in there, iPod Touches take 2 32GB chips to get the 64GB version, the iPhone doesn't have that space, and 64GB drives were too cost prohibitive to put in the earlier versions. Sure, they can financially produce anything they want, but they can't produce a version of one of their flagship devices that no one can afford; once the price drops on the chips there will be a higher capacity version. I also have never understood this "you don't need that much storage" mentality, if people were truly happy with continually switching out their media we never would have moved past 6GB computers and 5GB mp3 players.

 

[Interstella5555]

They both are storage areas that can store documents, projects, musics, movies....

You do realize that iPhone is a phone with less real estate than ipod touch/ipad to put flash chips inside.

Apple knows there is an untapped money market with iCloud for users like you who always needs more space. Paying annually for iCloud will increase Apple's profits rather than just getting a 64GB one. Plus 98% if the people out there have no need for sizes larger than 32GB.

1-Low market demand
2-Arduous task of putting in another 32GB flash chip
3-iCloud money potential

3 reasons why Apple will NOT release a 64 GB iPhone.

1 - So I guess the millions of people buying 64GB iPod Touches and 160GB iPod classics will suddenly decide they're happy with a quarter of the storage space on their new device? Interesting...

2 - Try "impossible" - The phone won't fit 2 chips. But wait....it's almost like there used to be only 4GB iPhones....then (magically?) storage on a single chip was increased so they could have higher capacity phones. You're probably right though, there will never be a consumer grade chip higher than 32GB. Technology just doesn't advance in that way.

3 - Ok, so let me get this straight. I have a CD player. It's the ****, I can listen to like 20 tracks without having to change the disc! Over the years, however, I've accumulated so much music that I want to bring it everywhere with me!! Unfortunately, there's not a device that exists that could store thousands of CDs at one time, so instead, I'll just bring along all my CDs with me, and if I get tired of listening to my current one I can stop my music, dig through my bag to find the one song I want to listen to, change out the CD, find the song, and then go!!! The only drawback is that I actually have a finite amount of times I can do this a month, I'm on this "200" a month max, and every time I switch out a CD it takes away from that amount. By my figuring I'll be able to switch out about 30 times before I go over that a month, or one switchout a day. Additionally, if I'm on a plane, tunnel, out in the woods, really anywhere my CD player can't make a connection, I can't swap music. Bizarre. Sound familiar? Because that's what you're looking at with the cloud.

 

[Sedrick]

just who all is forgetting that you'll have to personally pay to download all those gigs you won't have on your phone any longer. And with data caps a fact of life, it looks to get you both coming and going. Enjoy your 64gigs in the clouds kiddies.

 

[kailibur]

no 64gb= screw apple im goin home

they better have a 64gb iphone 5. ive workd my dam tail off doing work for my parents and neighboors just to get the 400 bucks!! if not, i will buy 64gb ipod touch and get a slider phone from samsung or something. 32gb is not enough. my 3g touch is constantly getting slower and slower. if no 64 gb, atleast give 48gb or external flash drive to expand it yourself!! then again, if they did that, id prob spend more on extra cards than i would on my iphone... and then spend 1000s to fill it all up. ill even take the extra size and weight to get a freakn 64gb iphone... no matter how many chips it takes

 

[LoganT]

You could use the same argument of never needing "64GB on an iPnone" with 16 and 32GB's. In fact, some people made that exact same argument when the first phone was only 4 and 8 GB's.

 

[ESPN]

1 - So I guess the millions of people buying 64GB iPod Touches and 160GB iPod classics will suddenly decide they're happy with a quarter of the storage space on their new device? Interesting...

2 - Try "impossible" - The phone won't fit 2 chips. But wait....it's almost like there used to be only 4GB iPhones....then (magically?) storage on a single chip was increased so they could have higher capacity phones. You're probably right though, there will never be a consumer grade chip higher than 32GB. Technology just doesn't advance in that way.

3 - Ok, so let me get this straight. I have a CD player. It's the ****, I can listen to like 20 tracks without having to change the disc! Over the years, however, I've accumulated so much music that I want to bring it everywhere with me!! Unfortunately, there's not a device that exists that could store thousands of CDs at one time, so instead, I'll just bring along all my CDs with me, and if I get tired of listening to my current one I can stop my music, dig through my bag to find the one song I want to listen to, change out the CD, find the song, and then go!!! The only drawback is that I actually have a finite amount of times I can do this a month, I'm on this "200" a month max, and every time I switch out a CD it takes away from that amount. By my figuring I'll be able to switch out about 30 times before I go over that a month, or one switchout a day. Additionally, if I'm on a plane, tunnel, out in the woods, really anywhere my CD player can't make a connection, I can't swap music. Bizarre. Sound familiar? Because that's what you're looking at with the cloud.

1-Apple does this intentionally. 32GB iPhone + 64 gb touch/160gb classic would bring in more revenue for Apple. Not to mention iCloud as another money source.

2- Apple is rumored to make a thinner iPhone 5, putting more space in to a thinner device is going opposite to conventional thinking. Flash memory is still expensive, If Apple wants to retain their high profit margins,the 64 gb chip will just increase the price.

3- I have 4GB of music and most if not everyone I know has less than 15GB.
16 GB and 32 GB models are fine for me and probably 90% of people out there. Other 10% will just be stuck with your dilemma/additional cost if you want access to that much music(most of which won't even be listened to).

You could use the same argument of never needing "64GB on an iPnone" with 16 and 32GB's. In fact, some people made that exact same argument when the first phone was only 4 and 8 GB's.

4GB and 8GB still in 2011 won't be a problem.

8GB will fit with a couple GBs to spare.
4GB will reduce my camera usage but otherwise my music and other materials will be mostly intact.

More GB is an added luxury, People still don't need 16 or 32 GB.
This may not apply to macrumors but in the real world, Many, many people can live quite comfortably with 16 GB. 64 GB is plain overkill.

 

[TLewis]

2 - Try "impossible" - The phone won't fit 2 chips. But wait....it's almost like there used to be only 4GB iPhones....then (magically?) storage on a single chip was increased so they could have higher capacity phones. You're probably right though, there will never be a consumer grade chip higher than 32GB. Technology just doesn't advance in that way.

Hehe, "never" and "impossible" are two words that rarely apply to the tech world. I haven't been following the state of flash, but there will someday be consumer-grade chips larger than 32GB, if there aren't already. Technology always improves, and SSDs will drive the development of larger capacity chips (that'll also have the nice effect of eventually driving prices down, due to the large volumes involved). It won't happen quickly, but it will happen.

Edit: for those people who raise the issue of price: yes, Apple might not use the latest chips, due to price/yield issues, but they probably will, someday.

 

[LoganT]

Many, many people can live quite comfortably with 16 GB. 64 GB is plain overkill.

A person who only uses 4 GB's on their iPhone could say 16 GB's is "plain overkill". It doesn't make it true.

 

[eastercat]

Seriously, read Interstella5555's post. A 64GB chip is cost prohibitive and would cut into Apple's profit margins. If you're smart, you'll know that Apple won't cut into that.

I don't, but simply put, if a very successful brand like Apple has a huge demand for a 64GB model they would have made it already because they can financially produce anything they want.

 

[LoganT]

Hehe, "never" and "impossible" are two words that rarely apply to the tech world. I haven't been following the state of flash, but there will someday be consumer-grade chips larger than 32GB, if there aren't already. Technology always improves, and SSDs will drive the development of larger capacity chips (that'll also have the nice effect of eventually driving prices down, due to the large volumes involved). It won't happen quickly, but it will happen.

Edit: for those people who raise the issue of price: yes, Apple might not use the latest chips, due to price/yield issues, but they probably will, someday.

Toshiba announced a 64 GB single chip, about a couple of years ago. I think it was too cost prohibitive then. Now, it could be a different story.

 

[Reach9]

I still have 1GB left in my 8GB iPhone 3G, and i'm computing comfortably. The only thing i dislike is the overall slowness of iOS 3.1.3, but that'll soon be fixed when i buy the new iPhone 5!

16GBs is more than enough for me, i usually sync and keep whatever i need every night.