It's actually the opposite.
I say that the iPhone is the first real smart phone BECAUSE I have plenty of experience with the junk that was sold to us as "smart" prior to the iPhone.
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It's actually the opposite.
I say that the iPhone is the first real smart phone BECAUSE I have plenty of experience with the junk that was sold to us as "smart" prior to the iPhone.
What made the iphone "smarter" than any previous smartphone? Backup your statement with facts.. but here ill help you out.. at launch.. iphone was missing these features
High res camera, cut and paste, MMS, video recording, multiple email accounts, exchange capablities, multitasking
To name a few, ball is back in your court.
I'll add another, which is quite large for a smartphone - at iPhone launch - the inability to run native applications.
Since we are talking about at launch. How about lack of Apps period and 3G. I remember when I got my 2G iPhone as an Apple employee we got them for free so I finally retired my old Palm Treo 650. I missed the Treo for a long time. It wasn't until about maybe a year into the iPhone that it all started to make sense.
Oh please. Are you seriously not realizing the breakthru that the iPhone was for the entire mobile phone industry? The shift from hardware to software? The shift away from long feature lists to actual purpose?
Have you never wondered how it can be that a newcomer manages to make more money with one product than the entire rest of a gigantic industry combined within just 3 years? Or that a seemingly invincible market leader of 10+ years is now falling apart.
ALL new smartphones are based on the basic blueprint of the iPhone. I'm not saying that the competition hasn't improved that blueprint in some details, but the general approach of all those phones is extremely similar.
The fact that you're STILL listing those features about which only a few tech nerds cared in the first place, shows that you really shouldn't ever work in a place that requires an understanding of what the general consumer wants.
This is rich! When the iPhone came out, everybody was screaming for "native" apps. "Webapps are worthless"!
Now of course, the iPhone has apps650,000 of them. Now..."The future is webapps! Only webapps can save us from Apples 'Walled Garden'! Native apps are a conspiracy to limit your 'choices'!"
The flexibility of the Apple-bashers is nothing short of remarkable.
P.S.: Am I the only one who thinks Apple should register "Walled Garden" as a trademark? Sounds peaceful and safe to me.
Who is screaming "WebApps"? Personally, I haven't heard much to suggest this. In fact, people prefer to use native apps over webapps. IMO, Web Apps as they stand at this present time cannot touch native apps for usability.
There is no conspiracy with native apps. Apple's walled garden limit choice - that is a fact - not conspiracy. There are good reasons for Apple's walled garden - for example, don't use private APIs, equally, some of Apple's policys are ill thought out or applied on an adhoc basis or not at all.
So,Gatesbasher, are you going to back up your statement earlier with examples?
"There are always precursors to everything. Units that looked like "smart" phones before the iPhone came out aren't as "smart" as some of today's dumb phones. It's a made-up category, so anyone can claim a place in it."
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How can you call a simple name like "Snap" stupid when Apple uses names like "Mission control" and "Launch pad", and when Intel uses "Thunderbolt" for an I/O technology (and hijacked the standard symbol of high voltage)? And what about Apple or atleast fanboys loving to refer to iOS, Safari etc. as being "snappy"?
Also, what feature in OS X are you referring to that works like Aero snap?
This post is so laughably inaccurate. You are welcome to argue your point with me. I've worked for a number of years for one of Europe's biggest mobile phone networks. I've seen & used more phones than you have had hot dinners...
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Isn't Apple one of the ones pushing the "web app" mantra via the dynamic use of HTML5?
I can't say I've seen many people screaming for web apps instead of native ones. Care to share whom is saying this?
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Isn't Apple one of the ones pushing the "web app" mantra via the dynamic use of HTML5?
I can't say I've seen many people screaming for web apps instead of native ones. Care to share whom is saying this?
Its all about features, whether it be software features or hardware features. The fact that the iphone released without a laundry list of features, previous smartphone manuf had.. I cannot say that they "revolutionized" the smartphone industry. They just changed the the medium it which it was presented.
Iphone with the help of apples marketing machine, put up a great smokescreen to the general "non-smartphone" carrying public. Its us nerds on THIS NERDY FORUM that should care and know that the iphone as it was released in 2007 was lacking features of other smartphones(software and hardware) on the market in 2007 and 5 years before.
See when we have a debate on a forum like this(nerd to nerd) I expect people to just know history and speak with facts. You are not the general public, so doing so is not useful.
Some day, Web Apps will take over native apps. Native apps are expensive to develop especially if your supporting several smartphone platforms. Web apps on the other hand are vastly cheaper because all your platforms are targetted at once.
At this moment in time web apps are limited compared to native. When technology progresses, these limitations will disappear. For most part, Native apps are here to stay, for now.
There is far more buzz around native apps than web based apps.
I don't believe you could possibly be an experienced enthusiast. Your comment reveals you've never had first hand experience with the phones that brought us to this point. Too bad you can't appreciate what engineering and innovation is all about. Using the word junk just erased your credibility.
Please define your idea of "web based app".
Hint: Apple wanted them stored on the internet and unable to access native services, which is why iPhone developers didn't exactly respond with excitement when Jobs tried to call them "sweet".
OTOH, Moto and HP simply use web standards for building internal apps.
I don't know how this equates to "everybody was screaming for "native" apps. "Webapps are worthless"
Now of course, the iPhone has apps—650,000 of them. Now..."The future is webapps! Only webapps can save us from Apples 'Walled Garden™'!"
Are Palm(HP) and Motorola "everybody" now and what does WebOS and anything coming from Motorola have to do negatively with Apple? Have they publicly called Apple out at all?
I also own the HTC Surround and it isn't too bad of a phone in fact. It runs relatively smoothly.
Doesn't quite have the battery life of my Verizon iPhone 4 either ways.
Doesn't quite have the battery life of my Verizon iPhone 4 either ways.
iPhone did change smartphones. It took stuff that already existed for years and added something that was lacking from other smartphones...Usability. It made the smart phone simpler to use. From that nothing else more game changing in terms of tech.
Heh, you're arguing with people that have never owned an Iphone and or don't remember what was available in 2007 when the iphone came out.
I looked at what was available in 2007 and the iphone was and is revolutionary and that's why Apple is the #2 company behind exxon.
I remember the email and browsers on the blackberry in 2007, crap!
Not like the real browser on the iphone.
And they beat out companies that were making all the crap phones that came before the iphone. Who are they all coping now?
The blackberry?
NOT!
This post is so laughably inaccurate. You are welcome to argue your point with me. I've worked for a number of years for one of Europe's biggest mobile phone networks. I've seen & used more phones than you have had hot dinners...
Right and the iphone is copying whose phone?
Nope, the iphone is the big dog, sorry.
This makes no sense... Perhaps you need to spend less time worrying about who sells the best stuff!