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If the next MBP doesnt have i5, Blu Ray & ATI say goodbye to highend consumers Apple!

Thank you finally somebody gets it!!!

I wasn't referring to blu-ray for movies, i was referring to blu-ray for data transfer as in data discs. This is the reason bd drives will never become mainstream in computers.

Also as said the bd is worth it watching on a 42 inch screen but in the case of a 13/15/17" the 5gb download is perfectly fine.

Jaro - The DVD drive was a logical progression, it was perfect for both video and data. Blu-ray is not, it's not as huge a leap in the improvement of video quality and it sure as hell right now isn't useful as a storage and distribution medium

Blu-ray is completely pointless in computers.
 
moel said:
Thank you finally somebody gets it!!!

I wasn't referring to blu-ray for movies, i was referring to blu-ray for data transfer as in data discs. This is the reason bd drives will never become mainstream in computers.

Also as said the bd is worth it watching on a 42 inch screen but in the case of a 13/15/17" the 5gb download is perfectly fine.

Jaro - The DVD drive was a logical progression, it was perfect for both video and data. Blu-ray is not, it's not as huge a leap in the improvement of video quality and it sure as hell right now isn't useful as a storage and distribution medium

Blu-ray is completely pointless in computers.
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I'd personally would rather have an sd card for data than a large disc that needs a large case comparatively to a small case for an SD. Snow Leopard as a download and an sd card for backup. Like i just bought parallels by downloading but still purchased a $14 backup disc so i don't have to hunt down my user codes to download off the internet again if i have to change out a drive or add to another mac. Maybe that is stupid but downloading and hard media need to go hand in hand for a few more years in my opinion.
 
Hopefully they'll just get rid of the optical drive... USB 3.0, 64GB+ memory sticks and ubiquitous downloadable / streamable HD video makes carrying around a stack of Blu-ray discs look pretty silly.
 
Here's what I want to see in the new MBP:

i5 or i7 CPU
Decent dedicated GPU
IPS Display
Blu-ray would be nice, but I doubt it'll happen.

My opinion on the whole Blu-ray thing:
I very much prefer physical media over downloads. The quality of digital downloads is terrible compared to Blu-ray. That, and downloads are usually only playable on a single company's devices.
The other reason I prefer optical discs is because as long as you're gentle with them, you really don't have to worry about backing them up. Whereas with downloads, you need to back them up, or else you'll lose them if your hard drive dies, which all hard drives do eventually. SD cards also are prone to fail, being an electronic device. But an optical disc is just a piece of plastic, which will only go bad if you abuse it.
Another problem with downloads is that almost all ISPs have a cap, usually 250gb or less. That is not enough for regularly downloading high quality HD movies in addition to normal internet use. The speed is also not fast enough. I could drive to the store and buy a movie faster than it would take to download it.
 
moel said:
Also as said the bd is worth it watching on a 42 inch screen but in the case of a 13/15/17" the 5gb download is perfectly fine.

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Blu-ray is completely pointless in computers.
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1) Why should I have to buy a movie AGAIN just because Apple won't support Blu-ray movie playback?

2) Like I said, a 5GB download is NOT "fine" if you have a slow connection and/or want a better quality file.

3) Blu-ray is not pointless in computers for the reasons above!

I have a load of DVDs and a load of Blu-rays. If I want to play the DVD on my macbook I can. If I want to play the Blu-ray on my macbook, I can't. Should I have to re-purchase all the blu-rays as inferior quality downloads, just so I can watch the content I've paid for, when it's entirely possible for Apple to support BD movie playback?
 
I'm only a student, so Blu-Ray isn't a priority for me. However, if they decide to drop the Optical Drive, like everyone suggests, I think I'll just pick up the MBP they're currently selling now. Optical drives take priority over CPU increases for me, at least.
 
Cave man that's a bit of a circuitous route for hi def playback...wouldn't a blu ray drive be easier?

And fine porco download a DVD rip then, it's semi legal and won't kill your broadband!

It's all academic anyway as you are all pi**ing in the wind as blu ray WONT be coming to MBPs any time this year. If your so bothered go and buy a windoze lappy!
 
Even if apple OFFERED a blu-ray drive, it wouldn't come at a small price. Just get an external blu-ray drive and done deal. Blu-ray isn't new technology at all. People have gone without it in their computers, I think they still can manage.
 
If high end consumers buy 2500buck computers with watching movies as their main concern, then they can go.

Watching blu ray on a 15inch screen is retarded. And for those who want to connect to projectors and large tv's, blu ray players are pretty cheap these days.

As for not having i5 etc. Intel will/has eventually stop producing C2D. Either apple will buy millions of them (not likely) or they will move to the new processor line eventually.

Whining because they are not already out a month after every other laptop manufacturer is getting tiresome.e
 
robfromabove said:
I'm only a student, so Blu-Ray isn't a priority for me. However, if they decide to drop the Optical Drive, like everyone suggests, I think I'll just pick up the MBP they're currently selling now. Optical drives take priority over CPU increases for me, at least.
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what do you need an internal optical drive for?
id rather have a faster computer with an external drive for reinstalling the os (only thing i can see it being used for and even that can be done with a usb drive if you have the iso.
 
Gabriel GR said:
If high end consumers buy 2500buck computers with watching movies as their main concern, then they can go.
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And why is that? If I'm paying the equivalent of a mortgage payment for a high-end laptop, there's nothing wrong with wanting it equipped with everything possible, including a blu-ray drive. It's not that watching movies is a main concern, but most people usually use their laptops on the go so it would be nice if while on a plane, train, bus, etc. you have the option to pop in a BD movie to lessen the boredom.
 
You know, the attitude of some of you people on here is so childish and self-serving. I hate to start a flame here, but just because you don't want to watch blu-ray movies on your laptop doesn't entitle you to make business decisions for Apple. There are millions of consumers out there who want and demand these features in their laptops, and what is the hurt in Apple adding this drive to the laptop? Oh! Poor baby! YOU wanted a 14 hour battery or a second hard drive instead? Well go ahead and take the computer apart, remove the blu-ray drive, and add that second hard drive, nothing is stopping you and I'm sure plenty of people will be posting instructions online. Unfortunately, for those of us who want blu-ray, if Apple chooses not to include it, we will not have the option of modifying the machine, because simply throwing a Blu-Ray drive in the machine isn't going to allow us to play bluray movies on the Macbook Pro without the proper software to go with it.

I for one, continue to enjoy the optical drive in my machine, because I like to rip my movies and then convert them to DivX files. Yes, I do prefer watching digital copies of the movie after I have converted them to the format that I choose to convert it to, not the format that Apple sells to me in the itunes store. By the way, I can rent unlimited movies from Blockbuster or Netflix for a certain monthly price, Apple does not give me this option with their system, I have to pay $4.99 to rent one high definition movie that takes hours to download when the blockbuster store is 1 block away from my house and I can rent unlimited movies for $19.99 a month... I'll keep that optical drive, and my physical media, thank you.
 
djrobsd said:
There are millions of consumers out there who want and demand these features in their laptops, and what is the hurt in Apple adding this drive to the laptop?
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Maybe you haven't heard, but each added thingamajig costs money.
 
djrobsd said:
You know, the attitude of some of you people on here is so childish and self-serving. I hate to start a flame here, but just because you don't want to watch blu-ray movies on your laptop doesn't entitle you to make business decisions for Apple. There are millions of consumers out there who want and demand these features in their laptops, and what is the hurt in Apple adding this drive to the laptop? Oh! Poor baby! YOU wanted a 14 hour battery or a second hard drive instead? Well go ahead and take the computer apart, remove the blu-ray drive, and add that second hard drive, nothing is stopping you and I'm sure plenty of people will be posting instructions online. Unfortunately, for those of us who want blu-ray, if Apple chooses not to include it, we will not have the option of modifying the machine, because simply throwing a Blu-Ray drive in the machine isn't going to allow us to play bluray movies on the Macbook Pro without the proper software to go with it.

I for one, continue to enjoy the optical drive in my machine, because I like to rip my movies and then convert them to DivX files. Yes, I do prefer watching digital copies of the movie after I have converted them to the format that I choose to convert it to, not the format that Apple sells to me in the itunes store. By the way, I can rent unlimited movies from Blockbuster or Netflix for a certain monthly price, Apple does not give me this option with their system, I have to pay $4.99 to rent one high definition movie that takes hours to download when the blockbuster store is 1 block away from my house and I can rent unlimited movies for $19.99 a month... I'll keep that optical drive, and my physical media, thank you.
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I don't really care if it comes with an optical or not at all. But if the decisive factor for buying a 2500 mobile workstation is whether you can watch blu ray on it, when there are other ways to get HD video in it, some people need to reconsider.

No matter what apple decides to do: keep the optical, ditch the optical or upgrade it to blu ray, I highly doubt it will affect sales.

So saying that if the mbp doesn't have blu ray it will be a flop and the "high end" customers won't buy it is moot. That's all I said and meant.

Now if you want to cook eggs with your laptop, or use it to plow snow, it doesn't affect or bother me in anyway.
 
Gabriel GR said:
I don't really care if it comes with an optical or not at all. But if the decisive factor for buying a 2500 mobile workstation is whether you can watch blu ray on it, when there are other ways to get HD video in it, some people need to reconsider.

No matter what apple decides to do: keep the optical, ditch the optical or upgrade it to blu ray, I highly doubt it will affect sales.

So saying that if the mbp doesn't have blu ray it will be a flop and the "high end" customers won't buy it is moot. That's all I said and meant.

Now if you want to cook eggs with your laptop, or use it to plow snow, it doesn't affect or bother me in anyway.
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I'd actually guess that BD would improve sales. I doubt it'll happen though.

Shame there isn't an aftermarket superdrive blue-ray upgrade really. Then everyone would be happy!
 
An interesting definition of dead

moel said:
Fact is blu-ray is dead..sorry...sales even now still don't surpass bog standard DVD's. As for putting the drives in laptops, completely and utterly pointless. 1080p quality....on a 15" screen.........it is a bit like those indian fakirs who make sculptures out of grains of rice.
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Two points. First of which is that sales not exceeding DVD sales (some #'s might be useful) just means that standard DVD is NOT dead, not that Blu-ray IS dead. Second, the previous poster owns blu-ray discs. Even if they don't play in their full 1080p glory on the computer screen, the don't play AT ALL in a standard DVD player. Having decided to move to Blu-ray, a decent fraction of his collection can't come on the road.

BB
 
Dozerrox said:
Shame there isn't an aftermarket superdrive blue-ray upgrade really. Then everyone would be happy!
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Not really. You can buy a BD drive and use it for data, but OS X won't play back the movies. That's what the problem is, and is down to Apple attempting to artificially manipulate its customers into buying the inferior iTunes movie files instead of supporting a successful and established disc format.
 
I can't imagine wanting blu-ray in my MBP, but I can appreciate other people wanting it. Hell, I don't even want an optical drive. I transfer all files via external drives, flash drives, and the internet... the last time I put a disc in my MBP was for snow leopard. Id vote for taking out the drive all together and throwing a battery in there... but that wont happen either. If I want to see a movie, I put the disc in my PS3 and watch it on a 50" 1080p screen... seems like a more appropriate situation for blu-ray to me.
 
moel said:
Cave man that's a bit of a circuitous route for hi def playback...wouldn't a blu ray drive be easier?
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No, because without a Blu-ray drive I wouldn't be able to rip the movie to my Plex collection, nor for my Apple TV, nor the other Macs in the house. A dedicated BD player restricts you to one place.

Porco said:
Not really. You can buy a BD drive and use it for data, but OS X won't play back the movies.
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But you can play Blu-ray discs under OS X.
 
I don't understand why people would want BR on a laptop. How demanding can you be with movie resolution on a 13",15", or 17" screen? If you want a BR player for your TV, just buy a separate BR player for $125 and save yourself the trouble of connecting and disconnecting everytime.

Backing up files on a BR disc is also somewhat inconvenient.. Just buy an external drive (you can actually erase the data, unless you're talking about BR-RE discs which cost $10/disc and takes much longer to write). I don't see BR becoming mainstream for the software market for another 10 years when your laptop by then would be renewed anyways.

However, I definitely would want a HDMI port, since Apple TV has it now and it has already become mainstream in notebooks. It's definitely a necessity for the multimedia demanding consumers who want to connect to a HDTV to watch HD video files. Either that, or please add audio to the mini-display port.
 
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