If the next MBP doesnt have i5, Blu Ray & ATI say goodbye to highend consumers Apple!

[wikoogle]

Since when is 1.3-1.5 billion in sales in just one year low? And yes that is much blu Ray sold in this past year alone.

People who say they can see a big difference on a low res screen are delusional.

Having said all that I still think Apple should offer Blu-Ray as an option for those who want it.

on the contrary, people that say they can't see the differnce between a DVD 720x480 and a blu ray (1280x720 even on the lowest resolution MBP) are the ones that are delusional. How far do you sit from your laptop. That's nearly 4 times the number of pixels. Most people only sit a few feet away. If you can't see the massive differnce in quality between 480p and 720p (much less 1080p) while sitting only a few feet away, there is something wrong with your eyes.

And again higher resolution and the 100gb per dual layered disc storage capacity is just two of the advantages. Optical discs can fail with abuse but Blu Ray discs can't without an extraordinary amount of abuse. Blu Ray discs (even burnable ones) are all required to use this special transparent coating that makes them completely scratch proof.

There are videos up on YouTube of people using Brillo pads and copper wires, dragging it on concrete to try to scratch Blu Ray discs and then running them thru a washing machine and all sorts of stuff (one of them ran it over with a car) and they still work perfectly! I regularly carry my blu ray discs around without the case and haven't had a single one fail on me ever.


But I am glad you atleast agree that Apple should offer Blu Ray in their laptops.

 

[GodWhomIsMike]

apple will probably have an i7 but the arrendale i7 which has only two cores. I doubt apple would use the quad core since it limits battery life.

That would be an i5 processor then. The i7 Mobile line is 4 physical cores with hyperthreadding.

 

[GodWhomIsMike]

Damn you folks are STILL going on about the god damn Bluray? Steve Jobs himself said last week not to expect it in the near future on any Apple products.

Steve Jobs came out AGAINST Blu-Ray just a few days ago. "According to the chief executive officer of Apple, Blu-Ray software is a mess, and Apple will wait until sales really start to take off before implementing it into their personal computers."

I can't see how there is any debate on it appearing in any Apple product in the near future. That to me says it will still be a long while.

 

[Gen]

Damn you folks are STILL going on about the god damn Bluray? Steve Jobs himself said last week not to expect it in the near future on any Apple products.

Well, we don't know if he said that. He was quoted by some random people. For all we know, they made it all up.

 

[wikoogle]

To my understanding that quote is based on a third hand source, same as Jobs reportedly saying that the iPad is the most important thing he has ever done. And even if he indeed said it, it could simply mean that he thinks blu Ray is a mess right now but when they unveil it, they will do it right.

And even if the quote is accurate, he never even said you won't see Blu Ray this year, just that he won't do it immediately. That doesn't mean they can't do it for the June update or Oct update.

The more apple sees that it's customers want the feature, the faster it will be implemented.

However that's all irrelevant, the point I and many others here are making is that it would dumb move on Apples part not to include Blu Ray.

 

[fs454]

That would be an i5 processor then. The i7 Mobile line is 4 physical cores with hyperthreadding.

Not entirely correct.

Core i5 is all dual core Arrandale with hyperthreading.

The Core i7 620M is a dual core Arrandale with hyperthreading.

The Core i7 620QM is the quad core Clarksfield.

 

[fs454]

To my understanding that quote is based on a third hand source, same as Jobs reportedly saying that the iPad is the most important thing he has ever done. And even if he indeed said it, it could simply mean that he thinks blu Ray is a mess right now but when they unveil it, they will do it right.

And even if the quote is accurate, he never even said you won't see Blu Ray this year, just that he won't do it immediately. That doesn't mean they can't do it for the June update or Oct update.

The more apple sees that it's customers want the feature, the faster it will be implemented.

However that's all irrelevant, the point I and many others here are making is that it would dumb move on Apples part not to include Blu Ray.

For every customer for Blu Ray, there's some against it as well. I'm hoping they dump the optical drive altogether.

 

[seanconn]

I think we need to get this guy a 1080p macbook, because he'd really enjoy the extra resolution. on 13"s of RAW HD PWER!!!!


you guys are still asking for way too much here. excpect this in MAYBE a 17" as an option, although, they have never had graphical upgrade options on ANY mbp yet, so i doubt that you'll actually be able to get a better card... Apple has just never done it.


the best we can hope for it seems is the ATI 5830 or w/e it's called lol.

and maybe they will take out! the disc drive. Then all those bitching about no blu ray can go buy an external burner.




edit: ALSO WHYYYYYY THE FFFFF would APPLE but a BLURAY DRIVE in the MBP when they have the iTUNES STORE!!!!!! seriously, have you had experience with apple as a company yet????? they want to sell HD video in the iTunes store... remember Apple TV? and movies.

of course they will charge the ass off the apple logo, because a lot of the time it is worth it!


and ALSO

do you expect Apple to half ass it, and just put a blu ray player in it? like HP and Dell do? well if you do, your way off base.

Apple will adapt bluray, when we see a significant number of burners sold. and I don't see myself or anyone I know hopping on that bandwagon A LOT. other than PS3 games lol.

If Bill and Steve get their way disc drives will be dead. but at this point with NA internet connections being so ******, optical media is going to still matter in years to come.

I just wish we could see some serious economies of scale with it, but noooooo oooooonne buys burners. Apple will definitely put something akin to the hyperdrive or something, but wont happen yet though.

my hope:

i7 as an option in the 17" with my dream of an optional gaming grade GPU... as ive said before, is a moot issue because the 9400 will be good for everything except gaming, always.

but if there is a nice 15" option.. hopefully they bring back the express card. and have an i5 and a real upgrade to the GPU. I'd be down.


i wish they would take out the disc drive and put a replaceable battery slot. so we would have the internal battery, and one you could take off similar to the size of an original mbp battery but use the new battery tech. but they won't replace the disc drive with batteries, i think we will see more battery in place of disc drive in the future, but not nearly anytime soon.

 

[wikoogle]

For every customer for Blu Ray, there's some against it as well.

And that's the dumbest part of all. Why would anyone be against blu ray since that will almost certainly be optional. If they don't want blu ray, they can easily opt for a version of the MBP without that option. Its dumber than being against the i5, since that's an upgrade that likely won't be optional.

All but a vocal minority here though do think Blu Ray should be added, some posters just said that they don't think it will be offered but still later posted that it should.

Even if you don't need it right now, if you plan to keep your MBP for a while, you should pay the extra $50-$100 to upgrade to the blu ray version. It's a reasonable price since blu ray drives cost the manufacturer $30- $40 to buy in bulk. You can already get blu ray movies at gohastings for $5, and they can store 100gb of data and are scratch proof so more and more software will likely use them as well.

 

[GodWhomIsMike]

Not entirely correct.

Core i5 is all dual core Arrandale with hyperthreading.

The Core i7 620M is a dual core Arrandale with hyperthreading.

The Core i7 620QM is the quad core Clarksfield.

Good eye. I didn't think Intel would make it confusing by offering a dual core processor until the i7 naming convention. All I know is that I do NOT want a 620M.

 

[seanconn]

And that's the dumbest part of all. Why would anyone be against blu ray. If they don't want blu ray, they can easily opt for a version of the MBP without that option. Its dumber than being against the i5, since that's an upgrade that likely won't be an option.

All but a vocal minority here though do think Blu Ray should be added, some posters just said that they don't think it will be offered but still later posted that it should.

Even if you don't need it right now, if you plan to keep your MBP for a while, you should pay the extra $50-$100 to upgrade to the blu ray version. It's a reasonable price since blu ray drives cost the manufacturer $30- $40 to buy in bulk. You can already get blu ray movies at gohastings for $5, and they can store 100gb of data and are scratch proof so more and more software will likely use them as well.

i5 won't be an option? then wtf will the update be then buddy? an iSight on your face?

why would apple put a blu ray player in the laptop when they want to see the iTunes store sell as many HD movies as they can. plus rentals.

it should be like an extra 200, as apple like I said doesn't half a$$ shiza. they will put a bluray superdrive.


you can't get $100 gb Bluray discs for 5 dollars. pure lies.

I have my PS3, all i need. Bluray might never catch on, but I think it definitely has a shot at being the last optical media disc. something else will replace it for backup capabilities and storing large amounts of data, but I think everything will just be based on computerized devices, TV everything.

That's what Bill wants... and desperately needs for the next XBOX lol.

and what do you call the iTunes store?

expect optical media drive to be out of laptops soon. and the owness is on extreme fanboyism illustrated in this thread to buy your own f@#*ing blu ray drive.

next failbox will probably have 2 1TB HD's in 0 RAID. 5 CPU's a .powersupply in the shape of a DESK, that is fueled by coal power. plus a DVD drive to buy your "copy" of the game, then download 20gb of data online. LOLOLOL Xbox rules.

 

[aberrero]

Good eye. I didn't think Intel would make it confusing by offering a dual core processor until the i7 naming convention. All I know is that I do NOT want a 620M.

Yes you do. THe quad core i7s are really hot and use a ton of power, and the 620 dual core has such high clock speds that it is very nearly as fast.

Basically you choose between a 2.66ghz daul core and a 1.6ghz quad core, with the dual core having a 35W TDP for the CPU and IGP and the quad having a 45W TDP for the CPU alone.

 

[wikoogle]

Seanconn, you misread everyone of my statements. When they do the processor refresh to i5 and i7, it won't be optional, you won't be able to buy a C2d processor on a brand new MBP even if you wanted. Blu Ray however will likely be a $50-$100 option.

And just go to gohastings, you can pick up blu ray movies for $5, I've picked up dozens at that price.

Ps: how old are you? All of your posts come off as very immature and childish, you might want to edit out some of the language atleast.

 

[wilycoder]

i5 won't be an option? then wtf will the update be then buddy? an iSight on your face?

your (lack of) intelligence has now been established.

why would apple put a blu ray player in the laptop when they want to see the iTunes store sell as many HD movies as they can. plus rentals.

you've never seen itunes-hd format played next to blu ray. itunes-hd is crap 720p, not 1080p.

you can't get $100 gb Bluray discs for 5 dollars. pure lies.

Too retarded to even respond to more than I just did.

I have my PS3, all i need. Bluray might never catch on, but I think it definitely has a shot at being the last optical media disc. something else will replace it for backup capabilities and storing large amounts of data, but I think everything will just be based on computerized devices, TV everything.

That's what Bill wants... and desperately needs for the next XBOX lol.

and what do you call the iTunes store?

expect optical media drive to be out of laptops soon. and the owness is on extreme fanboyism illustrated in this thread to buy your own f@#*ing blu ray drive.

next failbox will probably have 2 1TB HD's in 0 RAID. 5 CPU's a .powersupply in the shape of a DESK, that is fueled by coal power. plus a DVD drive to buy your "copy" of the game, then download 20gb of data online. LOLOLOL Xbox rules.

god damn, you are one dumb idiot fanboy. Blu ray is not going anywhere until I can download a blu ray movie faster than I can drive to the store to buy one.

 

[bryguy393]

Yes you do. THe quad core i7s are really hot and use a ton of power, and the 620 dual core has such high clock speds that it is very nearly as fast.

Basically you choose between a 2.66ghz daul core and a 1.6ghz quad core, with the dual core having a 35W TDP for the CPU and IGP and the quad having a 45W TDP for the CPU alone.

I want an i7 620M. And an updated graphics card. If that's all the update brings (hopefully there will be more though) i would still be satisfied and purchase on day of release.

 

[GodWhomIsMike]

Yes you do. THe quad core i7s are really hot and use a ton of power, and the 620 dual core has such high clock speds that it is very nearly as fast.

Basically you choose between a 2.66ghz daul core and a 1.6ghz quad core, with the dual core having a 35W TDP for the CPU and IGP and the quad having a 45W TDP for the CPU alone.

My studies and focus is all around parallel computing. I want to take advantage of many cores, not just two. I rarely run my MB off of battery, and I've had this thing since 2007. I use it like a portable desktop.

 

[seanconn]

your (lack of) intelligence has now been established.



you've never seen itunes-hd format played next to blu ray. itunes-hd is crap 720p, not 1080p.




Too retarded to even respond to more than I just did.



god damn, you are one dumb idiot fanboy. Blu ray is not going anywhere until I can download a blu ray movie faster than I can drive to the store to buy one.

wowz, your missing the point. I'm saying everything you guys are saying about bluray mattering to apples' high priced customers is just complete crock. sorry

and are you ever taking this forum seriously...

I am a PS3 anti xbox, anti microsoft fanboy if anything. but I don't for one second underestimate Microsofts power to mess with things. If Microsofts wants to make a digital only XBOX they could. granted internet speeds in NA are not there yet in most places... they will be.

Microsoft especially won't want to play the fees for licensing Bluray for the next XBOX... they might have to but they won't want to.

but you guys are really making much too big of a deal about the omission of bluray on the mbp.

okay so iTunes movies are 720p right now, yes. They will be 1080p in the future. and I'm not just talking about iTunes here... everything is going ot go digital. if say in 5 years, you can download the newest blockbuster day of release for $15 in 1080P HD with special features, and cover back cover information.. like they are doing in iTunes LP.

but again, im not just talking about iTunes here, as the internet gets faster, and more and more people have broadband connections and hdtvs, which is already astoundingly high in most urban areas... the demand for digital movies, television, music goes up.


Apple doesn't put the DVDRW into their computers mainly to watch movies, it is for burning mostly. Which is why Apple hasn't adopted Bluray in anything yet because its just not feasible. and do you really think Apple cares about you not liking videos in 720p? They continue to sell movies in the store, and save on server costs, because for most people HD is HD. and also most people don't have 1080p tvs. or is it feasible to put it in 1080p unless you are going to be watching it on your mac. even if you have an iMac 27".

and if you really don't think digital content is going to get cheaper you are DREAMING. right now you are probably right that it would be faster to drive to walmart and buy something on bluray would be cheaper and better quality than what you get over iTunes.. 1080P bluray is amazing, I have a 1080P Tv and a PS3 and I have bought about 10 movies... classics look great, and things like the dark knight are especially better. but when it is 30 compared to 15 for a dvd, i still find myself conflicted between what to buy. especially when it comes to being $20 to $10 for some older movies. BluRay is great for your absolute favourite movies, and for movies buffs.
But in 5 years i guarantee you will see 1080P movies sold digitally online for $10-20 from various stores. apple, microsoft, sony, amazon, who knows else. and BluRay movies will likely stay the same price if not inflate in price, because production costs will go up, and seriously it makes sense that you should have to pay a premium for a physical good, when environmental issues are at the forefront of our national problems. Apple is trying be be especially responsible concerning environmental issues, and hey they can make a profit out of it, and stay ultra competitive at the same time!

Internet speeds twice as fast as they are right now would make this totally possible. Sure piracy will still plague the industry, but as long as the price is right, tons of people will pay more than willingly because it is too much of a hassle fuss around with downloads.

Sure the Apple TV didn't catch on, but I could give that thing to my mom and she would be fine downloading and purchasing whatever she wanted. I imagine we will see a FLOOD of devices that are like the apple TV on steroids with like 2 2TB Hd's, ranging from cheap to expensive, to multipurpose devices that we already have like a PS3, 360, laptop computer, home theatre PC's.

people will definitely adopt this model if it means no DVD collection, and you never have to leave your house and isn't confusing to use, and it is considerably cheaper than buying a physical copy? The interests of Bluray and the interests of Apple are incompatible. so why would Apple make the economic competition harder on its self?

Apple is selling this, you have a mac- so why bother buying a PS3, or a blu ray player. when you can buy a mac does all this other stuff, and does what those other things do even cheaper and easier. it's a win win.

seriously, I think you guys need to go out and buy a PC laptop if this is mainly what you are looking for in a computer. you will save a lot of money and will have a lot less to complain about.

 

[Cave Man]

The i7 Mobile line is 4 physical cores with hyperthreadding.

The Arrandale i7 is two cores, four threads.

 

[GodWhomIsMike]

The Arrandale i7 is two cores, four threads.

I don't get why they didn't just dub it as an i5 processor then. That's very misleading.

 

[knucles]

i mean....come on

just loose the damm thing off..






i can only image the apple's designers and engineers:

"well, we move the disk to the driver's place and make a battery all across the back of this thing".....we make the disk ssd and there are no moving parts on apple's notebooks.....

 

[panzer06]

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Even if you don't need it right now, if you plan to keep your MBP for a while, you should pay the extra $50-$100 to upgrade to the blu ray version. It's a reasonable price since blu ray drives cost the manufacturer $30- $40 to buy in bulk. You can already get blu ray movies at gohastings for $5, and they can store 100gb of data and are scratch proof so more and more software will likely use them as well.

Have you seen how much the only tray-loading (can't find a slot load) 9.5mm Blu-ray drive costs? Over $450! I want BR more than anyone as I have almost 200 BR movies, however, I'll stick with my external USB BR drive if they don't resolve the hardware cost. Do see these 9.5mm BR drive $$$ coming down before the next MBP update.

Just offer playback in OS X and I'll be happy. I suppose that's the bit people are say Jobs objects to. Just silly if you ask me.

Cheers,

 

[bloody]

I agree with OP, Blu-ray is just... outstanding. The people who are against Blu-ray are the people who haven't experienced it themselves. And don't say you have because I bet you that you are bsing. The time it takes to download a legit Blu-ray video takes way too long.

 

[barkomatic]

Have you seen how much the only tray-loading (can't find a slot load) 9.5mm Blu-ray drive costs? Over $450!

How can that be when I see PC laptops with tray-loading Blu-ray drives for as little as $699 -- total price? It seems if they were that much they'd only be going into the $2000 and up laptops. $450 is definitely not the price a manufacturer pays.

 

[knucles]

I agree with OP, Blu-ray is just... outstanding. The people who are against Blu-ray are the people who haven't experienced it themselves. And don't say you have because I bet you that you are bsing. The time it takes to download a legit Blu-ray video takes way too long.

i agree in general terms, br is amazing, 1080p is amazing, i love in my full hd sony bravia....... but yet, in my 46" sony bravia..... we are talking about laptops here people.

just look at the picture above and wonder what you can do with it. battery life and lightness/ performance are far more important than optical in a macbook

otherwise i wish blu-ray a long life as long as it is on my mac pro, mac mini or htpc and no in my wonder opticaless laptop.....

 

[enberg]

god damn, you are one dumb idiot fanboy. Blu ray is not going anywhere until I can download a blu ray movie faster than I can drive to the store to buy one.

You know, some of us already can. With some luck those of you currently living in a broadband backwater might too. It wouldn't surprise me if it happens before Apple adds blu-ray.