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If the next MBP doesnt have i5, Blu Ray & ATI say goodbye to highend consumers Apple!
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Can you tell me how? Without a link to a page with paragraphs of hackiness? All I can see is stuff about ripping, which I'm not really interested in.
Edit: seen your thread on the subject... seems a bit convoluted and hacky. I just want proper Apple support.
Insert disc into Blu-ray drive.
Open the disc with Make MKV and start its streaming server.
Copy the URL for the movie.
Paste it into VLC or MPlayer Extended.
If you have a receiver that has optical audio input and supports DTS or Dolby Digital, you will get 5.1 surround sound.
Open the disc with Make MKV and start its streaming server.
Copy the URL for the movie.
Paste it into VLC or MPlayer Extended.
If you have a receiver that has optical audio input and supports DTS or Dolby Digital, you will get 5.1 surround sound.
Of course blu-ray disk work on your MBP. With an external BR drive and some ripping software and some player software or bootcamp with Windows and that external BR drive.
Simple!
Seriously, there will be no BR on the Apple laptop line so long as Apple is obsessed with thin. There are no shipping (reasonably priced) 9.5mm slot-loading BR drives. Everything is 12.5(7)mm. That's why all the thick Windows laptops have BR support. Until someone makes a reasonably priced 9.5mm slot loading BR drive you will need to rely on external. That said, Apple could certainly eliminate the optical drive altogether and offer dual HD with optional external BR or DVD drives. Then build in BR support for OS X so we can easily use the BR movies.
For now this is a hardware problem with a side of software issues.
Cheers,
It takes about 2 min to start the movie. Once Plex has it supported (hopefully in a few weeks), it'll be just a few clicks of the Apple Remote or mouse. Easy as pie.
Sounds good, I'll be keeping an eye on it, thanks Cave Man.
I still think Apple suck (on this issue, not generally) for not doing it themselves.
I don't disagree with you at all; however, I do understand Apple's concern since Blu-ray code must be in the OS kernel, which is highly intrusive IMO. If the Studios would lighten up on this, I suspect Apple would adopt Blu-ray more quickly. What is completely stupid on the Studios' part is that this code is there to prevent copying of Blu-ray discs. This technology was defeated about 2 years ago, yet they still think it's worthwhile. They're apparently not smart enough to learn the lesson that the Recording Industry learned (in a very hard way).
Since most people are putting BluRay discs in their players at home, it makes it hard to do on the go with a laptop with DVD only. I've seen many BluRays in the $10-15, sometimes $20 mark lately as they have dropped from the original $30-40 price range. Everything is expensive initially and it has come down in price drastically.
I for one do not buy any DVDs anymore and only buy BluRay so it would be nice to have a laptop that would let you watch BluRays anywhere, perhaps not with the same glory of a home theatre but you could still buy them
You can also buy a cable from monoprice.com that will let you hook up the DisplayPort+USB Audio and convert to HDMI to hook up to a TV and optionally you could use the headphone jack that has optical audio capability to hook up to a surround systems but at that point I would put the disc in my home system but the possibility is there.
It all comes down this.... Apple wants to push this stupid iTunes methodology and their FAILED Apple TV with internet downloads.
To me, internet downloads of movies (and TV shows) with the same quality (video and audio) as BluRay won't happen any time soon.
... and when you have crappy service providers such as I do where it is is a duopoly between the cable and telephone company with resellers buying from the telephone company for DSL services... with data caps of 90GB ... . and it taking FOREVER TO DOWNLOAD anything that has reasonable quality.
I like watching movies in HD and that includes HD video+audio in my home theatre but I like the flexibility of taking it on the road with me if I so choose.
Also, I like others don't want to have to pay to (re)download all of the content nor do I have the space/infrastructure/redundancy to accomodate/back it up (nor do I want to maintain this; I have to do this at work already ).. and to me I like the media that I can take with me and not rely on an internet connection. Say I was downloading a movie that takes forever and now I can't take my laptop anywhere especially with me on the subway
IMHO, Jobs needs to get off his high horse and stop being arrogant where he thinks only his technologies are being used/should be used by consumers.... clearly there is a demand for HD media sources and currently you can't viably do this with internet downloads.
To me, internet downloads of movies (and TV shows) with the same quality (video and audio) as BluRay won't happen any time soon.
... and when you have crappy service providers such as I do where it is is a duopoly between the cable and telephone company with resellers buying from the telephone company for DSL services... with data caps of 90GB ... . and it taking FOREVER TO DOWNLOAD anything that has reasonable quality.
I like watching movies in HD and that includes HD video+audio in my home theatre but I like the flexibility of taking it on the road with me if I so choose.
Also, I like others don't want to have to pay to (re)download all of the content nor do I have the space/infrastructure/redundancy to accomodate/back it up (nor do I want to maintain this; I have to do this at work already
).. and to me I like the media that I can take with me and not rely on an internet connection. Say I was downloading a movie that takes forever and now I can't take my laptop anywhere especially with me on the subwayIMHO, Jobs needs to get off his high horse and stop being arrogant where he thinks only his technologies are being used/should be used by consumers.... clearly there is a demand for HD media sources and currently you can't viably do this with internet downloads.
It all comes down this.... Apple wants to push this stupid iTunes methodology and their FAILED Apple TV with internet downloads.
To me, internet downloads of movies (and TV shows) with the same quality (video and audio) as BluRay won't happen any time soon.
... and when you have crappy service providers such as I do where it is is a duopoly between the cable and telephone company with resellers buying from the telephone company for DSL services... with data caps of 90GB ... . and it taking FOREVER TO DOWNLOAD anything that has reasonable quality.
I like watching movies in HD and that includes HD video+audio in my home theatre but I like the flexibility of taking it on the road with me if I so choose.
Also, I like others don't want to have to pay to (re)download all of the content nor do I have the space/infrastructure/redundancy to accomodate/back it up (nor do I want to maintain this; I have to do this at work already
IMHO, Jobs needs to get off his high horse and stop being arrogant where he thinks only his technologies are being used/should be used by consumers.... clearly there is a demand for HD media sources and currently you can't viably do this with internet downloads.
Or, it's just too big as another poster has said.
If Apple increases the thickness of our laptops because of some Bluray customers, I'll be a very pissed off MR member.
Apple is not PC.
Mac is all about aesthetics. Apple philosophy weighs aesthetics more than practicality emphasized by PC.
What a pointless thread. This thread should die now. People are being too idealistic about Apple products. If you need i5 or i7 or whatever that is "cutting-edge" to you now, go for PC.
Apple doesn't have to put the latest Intel to sell MacBooks now. People still bought G4 Powerbooks despite the existence of G5 Power Mac.
Majority of Apple buyers are not aware of existence of MacRumors anyway. Most people buy Apple products just because it's attractive and easy to use, not by specs.
Mac is all about aesthetics. Apple philosophy weighs aesthetics more than practicality emphasized by PC.
What a pointless thread. This thread should die now. People are being too idealistic about Apple products. If you need i5 or i7 or whatever that is "cutting-edge" to you now, go for PC.
Apple doesn't have to put the latest Intel to sell MacBooks now. People still bought G4 Powerbooks despite the existence of G5 Power Mac.
Majority of Apple buyers are not aware of existence of MacRumors anyway. Most people buy Apple products just because it's attractive and easy to use, not by specs.
But not like hard drives.
You're right, for me they degrade faster than any backup HDD I've owned.
And to the guy above, people buy mac pros for their prettiness as well ay? The same people are after high spec laptops....
Thats not really why they carried on buying them..I had a G4 powerbook and a G5 at work
I bought the g4 because i needed the fastest thing possible on the move.....IF there had been a G5 PB then sure i would have bought that, but due to the processor they were never going to happen.
I don't buy this. I've never had an optical disc fail, and I still have some that are 25 years old. On the other hand, I have had half a dozen hard drives fail and have owned substantially fewer of them than optical discs. You're really stretching things if you believe OD fail at a higher rate than HD.
It's just personal experience. I don't know if DVDs are any better, but I had a load of CDs degrade on me within a few years a while ago, where HDDs in the cupboard seem to be fine.
I'm sure more expensive media would be better. But I'm just saying it does (and has, to me at least) happen.
Edit: I'm talking about burned media, not printed which obviously should last much, much longer.
Also, what's not to buy? I noted my personal experience. I'm not lying.
I'm sure you can guess how old this is. Still works along with any other disc I've tried. Can't say the same for the hard drives.
I'm sure you can guess how old this is. Still works along with any other disc I've tried. Can't say the same for the hard drives.
I'm talking about burned media. My printed disks last for donkeys.
"I've never had an optical disc fail, and I still have some that are 25 years old. On the other hand, I have had half a dozen hard drives fail and have owned substantially fewer of them than optical discs. You're really stretching things if you believe OD fail at a higher rate than HD"
I agree. That other fellow was talking through his hat.
I still have the first commercial CD I ever bought - way back in 1983. It still plays - and LOOKS - "as new". Same for all my other commerically-purchased CDs.
Back around 2003, I purchased my first CD burner - for an old UMAX s900 Mac clone. Put it in and tried a few "test burns". One was a copy of the OS 8 (!) system CD that came with the s900.
I never even put that one away, just set it down on my desk (it's a big desk). SEVEN YEARS LATER, it is still there - been sitting on the desk, "unprotected" for that long. I wanted to "see how long it would last".
A couple of minutes ago, I picked it up and put it in the CD/DVD drive on my g4/1.25 MDD that I'm typing this on. It mounted fine, and the "readme" files on it read just fine.
That was for a self-burned CD with no special precautions taken to protect it.
Chose decent media on which to burn, store a CD properly, handle it carefully, and it will probably outlast any hard drive. It may even outlast YOU.
I agree. That other fellow was talking through his hat.
I still have the first commercial CD I ever bought - way back in 1983. It still plays - and LOOKS - "as new". Same for all my other commerically-purchased CDs.
Back around 2003, I purchased my first CD burner - for an old UMAX s900 Mac clone. Put it in and tried a few "test burns". One was a copy of the OS 8 (!) system CD that came with the s900.
I never even put that one away, just set it down on my desk (it's a big desk). SEVEN YEARS LATER, it is still there - been sitting on the desk, "unprotected" for that long. I wanted to "see how long it would last".
A couple of minutes ago, I picked it up and put it in the CD/DVD drive on my g4/1.25 MDD that I'm typing this on. It mounted fine, and the "readme" files on it read just fine.
That was for a self-burned CD with no special precautions taken to protect it.
Chose decent media on which to burn, store a CD properly, handle it carefully, and it will probably outlast any hard drive. It may even outlast YOU.
Optical discs can fail with abuse but Im fairly sure Blu Ray discs can't without an extraordinary amount of abuse. Blu Ray discs (even burnable ones) are all required to use this special transparent coating that makes them completely scratch proof.
There are videos up on YouTube of people using Brillo pads and copper wires, dragging it on concrete to try to scratch Blu Ray discs and then running them thru a washing machine and all sorts of stuff (one of them ran it over with a car) and they still work perfectly! I regularly carry my blu ray discs around without the case and haven't had a single one fail on me ever.
There are videos up on YouTube of people using Brillo pads and copper wires, dragging it on concrete to try to scratch Blu Ray discs and then running them thru a washing machine and all sorts of stuff (one of them ran it over with a car) and they still work perfectly! I regularly carry my blu ray discs around without the case and haven't had a single one fail on me ever.
I would not be comparing any MBP to the HP Envy. The Envy is poorly made, expensive and HP consumer support is awful. HP corporate laptops and support are another story.
I foresee the following as going into the 13" and low end 15" Macbook Pro models:
Intel Core i5 with switchable graphics -> nVidia Geforce 310M (There are a bunch of Windows laptops that came out with this EXACT solution). When you don't need the nvidia graphics, it will use the onboard Intel GMA graphics.
The high end 15" and 17" Macbook Pro, I am sure as hell hoping that they go with the Core i7 line. My studies are in parallel computing, so I want a mobile workstation, that is easy to transport, and offers at least 4 physical cores. The Core i5 will not work for me, and if they do not offer a Core i7 in their MBP line, I am going with a $999 15" Asus laptop with a Core i7 CPU, 4GB DDR3 ram, 1GB ATI 5730 GPU, and a 320GB 7200rpm hard drive.
Intel Core i5 with switchable graphics -> nVidia Geforce 310M (There are a bunch of Windows laptops that came out with this EXACT solution). When you don't need the nvidia graphics, it will use the onboard Intel GMA graphics.
The high end 15" and 17" Macbook Pro, I am sure as hell hoping that they go with the Core i7 line. My studies are in parallel computing, so I want a mobile workstation, that is easy to transport, and offers at least 4 physical cores. The Core i5 will not work for me, and if they do not offer a Core i7 in their MBP line, I am going with a $999 15" Asus laptop with a Core i7 CPU, 4GB DDR3 ram, 1GB ATI 5730 GPU, and a 320GB 7200rpm hard drive.
Then they would be wrong. Blu-Ray sale of players and drives is low in the U.S. and nowhere near DVD adoption rates.
The Research firms being paid by the Blu_ray consortium to say other wise have cherry picked their stats.
People who say they can see a big difference on a low res screen are delusional.
Having said all that I still think Apple should offer Blu-Ray as an option for those who want it.
apple will probably have an i7 but the arrendale i7 which has only two cores. I doubt apple would use the quad core since it limits battery life.