If the next MBP doesnt have i5, Blu Ray & ATI say goodbye to highend consumers Apple!

[wikoogle]

It takes me 7 hrs to download a hd movie and I have a very fast broadband connection.

And to everyone who's dumb enough to think that hd resolution doesn't matter bc their laptop screen is only 13" or 15." I'm about to prove conclusively that you are clueless. People only sit a foot from a laptop (even closer if you're on a flight). If you think at that distance you can't see the huge difference between 480p and 720p, get ready to have your mind blown.

Take one look at these comparison screen shots between dvd and blu ray on just a six inch picture/screen and try and tell me you can't see a difference on a 6 inch laptop, much less a 13 inch or 15 inch laptop.

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=804

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=761


To further prove my point, take your laptop and change the screen resolution on it right now down to 720x480 resolution (480p, the max resolution DVDs play at). Odds are, it won't even go that low so change the resolution down to 800x600 (600p) atleast. Then come back here and tell me with a straight face that the resolution downgrade isn't significant.

 

[Razeus]

Blu-Ray is flat out amazing picture quality. Period. Especially one my 46" HDTV. I have a Blu-Ray drive built into my Windows desktop.

I'm about to ditch Macs and my MBP altogether. The prices points they have are riduculous. I paid $1900 for mine October 2008. Now I'm seeing laptops from Sony's VAIO line with i7 CPU's, Geforece 330 GPU's, 4GB RAM, 500GB hard drive, 1080p rez AND a Blu-Ray drive for $1150. I'm this close to picking it up too, since Apple is SOOOO far behind one the tech front.

I love Mac and Apple (I've owned a Macbook, currently own and Fall 2008 MBP, bought 1st gen iPhone, 3GS and a 3G for my girl, iPod Classic and iPod Nano), but jeez...get with the program Apple.

 

[bloody]

You know, some of us already can. With some luck those of you currently living in a broadband backwater might too. It wouldn't surprise me if it happens before Apple adds blu-ray.

Do you know how large a blu-ray movie is? Pretty f*cking big.

 

[Lord Blackadder]

Just as a counterpoint:

I don't care about Blu Ray. It IS the next step in optical drive technology, but I don't need it right now. I use my laptop for productivity apps primarily, and for those things a DVDRW is good enough.

I'd like to see Apple adopt better GPUs in the future, and that has been slowly improving over the last few years.

Hardware and pricepoint fanatics will always complain about Apple because Steve Jobs is always favoring more compact form factors that are too small to handle the heat and power demands of the most powerful hardware. He is simply in love with the iPod, iPhone and iPad; laptops bore him and he probably forgot that the Mac Pro still exists. This is unlikely to change anytime soon.

I'd like to get an MBP with an i5 and a reasonably powerful GPU, but the Blu-Ray is something I care little about right now. The quality is great, no doubt, but I don't place high priority on movie playback capability with my machines.

 

[enberg]

Do you know how large a blu-ray movie is? Pretty f*cking big.

Yes I know. An lossless x264 encoding of 1080p movie ripped from blu-ray is about 10Gb give or take a gig.

 

[XboxMySocks]

Display Port WITH audio support

Just plug it into some speakers?

 

[Cave Man]

Yes I know. An lossless x264 encoding of 1080p movie ripped from blu-ray is about 10Gb give or take a gig.

That file would not have HD audio. Not that any Mac can play it anyway. Until Apple gets a way of dealing with HD audio, the Core 2 Duo Macs will all struggle. Probably the dual-core i cpus as well. And there's no such thing as "lossless" x264 encoding.

Just plug it into some speakers?

No, passthrough of digital audio to an amp (e.g., TV or receiver).

 

[drjsway]

It takes me 7 hrs to download a hd movie and I have a very fast broadband connection.

Sorry, but I have to laugh at this. If it takes you 7 hrs to download an hd movie, you don't have a very fast broadband connection.

It takes me about an hour to download 10GB. I have AT&T U-Verse and pay $55 a month. FIOS is even faster (50Mb/s) and would take about 25 minutes to download 10GB.

 

[fehhkk]

Apple will not pay the royalties to include a Blu-Ray drive on their MBPs.

They didn't want to pay to include HDMI (opted for DisplayPort), so, let alone Blu-Ray.

 

[seanconn]

It takes me 7 hrs to download a hd movie and I have a very fast broadband connection.

And to everyone who thinks hd resolution doesn't matter bc the screen is only 13" or 15", you are completely clueless. People only sit a foot from a laptop (even closer if you're on a flight). If you think at that distance you can't see the huge differene between 480p and 720p, you have no idea what the hell you're talking about and are too dumb to post in this thread.

To prove my point, take your laptop and change the screen resolution on it right now down to 720x480 resolution (480p, the max resolution DVDs play at). Odds are, it won't go that low so change it to 800x600 (600p) atleast. Then come back here and tell me with a straight face that the resolution downgrade isn't significant.

seriously just buy a windows laptop. I didn't say you can't tell the difference between 480P and 720P, i said you can't tell the diff between 720P and 1080P on a 15" MBP..

even when you compared a 15" MBP running a 720P movie, compared to the actual DVD of the movie, there is NOT that much of a difference. really now.

if you are using it to hook up to a 32" + tv then yes, HD will make a huge difference, but not on a 15" screen! and frankly not many people use their MBP's as a movie player for their TV...

you tainted this thread with mention of bluray, which resulted in all this flame.

FFS the only things we should care about is i5/i7 and a gaming grade GPU as optional.

or in your post title simply you are asking Apple to put a "GPU" in their next revision of the mbp... as the current mbp without a GPU is so un-useable.....



arrrgggh, maybe your the one who is too stupid to be posting, eh, chum?

Also your "change your resolution" analogy isn't exactly relevant. changing to a lower resolution will change everything to take up a larger part of the screen, since there will be smaller pixel area to display all that needs to be displayed. things will be squished and you will have a drastically smaller area to do things on.


that's not the case when comparing a 480p video file to a 720p or 1080p video file. Everything will still be the same size on screen, it's just that every bump in resolution will make it look clearer.
comparing a video file at 480p to changing your desktop to an utterly UN useable resolution is simply one of the WORST analogies i have ever heard.


PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE buy a windows laptop and leave this forum alone.

 

[knucles]

And to everyone who thinks hd resolution doesn't matter bc the screen is only 13" or 15", you are completely clueless. People only sit a foot from a laptop (even closer if you're on a flight). If you think at that distance you can't see the huge differene between 480p and 720p, you have no idea what the hell you're talking about and are too dumb to post in this thread.

To prove my point, take your laptop and change the screen resolution on it right now down to 720x480 resolution (480p, the max resolution DVDs play at). Odds are, it won't go that low so change it to 800x600 (600p) atleast. Then come back here and tell me with a straight face that the resolution downgrade isn't significant.

do you really buy and carry a blu-ray movie to watch on a flight?

you will pay 30$ to watch Inglourious basterds on a Notebook? on a 15" screen?

i know i can see the difference on the image quality but Tarantino will be maddddd with that


movies in 1080p are meant to be seen in a 40"+ hd screen with dolby digital surround som.......other than that and you losing 50% of experience and paying 30$ to do it

 

[drjsway]

That file would not have HD audio. Not that any Mac can play it anyway. Until Apple gets a way of dealing with HD audio, the Core 2 Duo Macs will all struggle. Probably the dual-core i cpus as well. And there's no such thing as "lossless" x264 encoding.

Unless you have speakers that cost AT LEAST $2,000, you can not tell a difference between HD audio and DTS at 1.5Mb/s. Period.

It's absolutely worthless on a laptop.

Also, I watch movies on a $7,000 1080p projector on a 110" screen and there is almost no difference between a 7-10GB x264 encode and a full Blu-Ray.

 

[wikoogle]

Sorry, but I have to laugh at this. If it takes you 7 hrs to download an hd movie, you don't have a very fast broadband connection.

It takes me about an hour to download 10GB. I have AT&T U-Verse and pay $55 a month. FIOS is even faster (50Mb/s) and would take about 25 minutes to download 10GB.

lol no it doesn't. If you think it's only my ISP that's far slower than advertised, Why don't you try it out and maybe take a screenshot while you're at it (before and after). ISPs advertize their max possible speed but you pretty much never actually get that speed. It'll take you a LOT longer than an hour.

 

[Cave Man]

even when you compared a 15" MBP running a 720P movie, compared to the actual DVD of the movie, there is NOT that much of a difference. really now.

The difference is substantial. But I guess that's a subjective topic. In order to get to 720p without DRM you need Blu-ray (or extinct HD-DVD).

arrrgggh, maybe your the one who is too stupid to be posting, eh, chum?

That would be "you're".

do you really buy and carry a blu-ray movie to watch on a flight?

Not the disc, but I almost always have a few Blu-ray rips on my MacBook Air while on extended flights.

you will pay 30$ to watch Inglourious basterds on a Notebook? on a 15" screen?

Yes, but then again I can also watch that $30 movie on my 1080p projector-based HTPC with a 10 ft screen and DD/DTS receiver, or on our Apple TV, or on any of the other Macs in the house, or my iPhone, or my iPod Classic. I'm sure you get the picture (pun intended).

movies in 1080p are meant to be seen in a 40"+ hd screen with dolby digital surround som.......other than that and you losing 50% of experience and paying 30$ to do it

They're "meant" to be watched anywhere one wants to watch them. I don't claim to know what you want, why would you claim to know what I want?

Plus, most Blu-rays are in DTS-HD, and the DTS cores are superior to the AC3 DD cores of True-HD. In case you wanted to know.

Unless you have speakers that cost AT LEAST $2,000, you can not tell a difference between HD audio and DTS at 1.5Mb/s. Period.

I agree with you completely. I think HD audio is overrated, but I was just pointing out that a 10 gb 1080p file won't have HD audio. But there is a difference and I think that difference will be amplified in the future as more movies are mastered in 7.1 (most today are still 5.1).

Also, I watch movies on a $7,000 1080p projector on a 110" screen and there is almost no difference between a 7-10GB x264 encode and a full Blu-Ray.

I typically encode as 14 MBps h.264 in MPEG4 (for AC3) or MKV (for DTS) containers and there is no visible quality diminishment compared to the original Blu-ray. Those are usually about 50% to 60% smaller than the originals, but most of that savings is because of the extraction of the AC3 or DTS cores from the HD audio tracks.

 

[drjsway]

seriously just buy a windows laptop. I didn't say you can't tell the difference between 480P and 720P, i said you can't tell the diff between 720P and 1080P on a 15" MBP..

Of course. 1080p is just a marketing angle. 720p TVs are getting cheap and they needed a reason to get you to buy the more expensive models. You can't even tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 50" TV.

I can tell the difference but that's only because I sit 7' away from a 110" screen. Think about it like this: most commercial cinemas are converting to digital 2k. What is the resolution of 2k? 2048×1080. That means when you are watching Avatar in a movie theater, you are watching 1080p. Are you seriously telling me you need the same resolution on a laptop?

 

[wikoogle]

I didn't have the space in the title to specify GDdR5 or 256bit GPU, read my OP if you wanted to know what GPUs I would like to see.

Seanconn, I don't need to respond to you to show how stupid your posts, all I need to is quote them.

an iSight on your face?

you can't get $100 gb Bluray discs for 5 dollars.

next failbox will probably have 2 1TB HD's in 0 RAID. 5 CPU's a .powersupply in the shape of a DESK, that is fueled by coal power. plus a DVD drive to buy your "copy" of the game, then download 20gb of data online. LOLOLOL Xbox rules.

 

[drjsway]

lol no it doesn't. If you think it's only my ISP that's far slower than advertised, Why don't you try it out and maybe take a screenshot while you're at it (before and after). ISPs advertize their max possible speed but you pretty much never actually get that speed. It'll take you a LOT longer than an hour.

Umm... I download HD movies every day and I get at least 98% of my advertised speed. Takes me less than 30 minutes for 720p and an hour for 1080p.

 

[wikoogle]

You can't even tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 50" TV.

That means when you are watching Avatar in a movie theater, you are watching 1080p. Are you seriously telling me you need the same resolution on a laptop?

How an you possibly be this clueless. It's not just the size of the screen it's how far away you are from the screen. At 1-2 feet you can see up to 2000p much less 1080p.

This post is tailor made for you...

To everyone who thinks hd resolution doesn't matter bc the screen is only 13" or 15", you are completely clueless. People only sit a foot from a laptop (even closer if you're on a flight). If you think at that distance you can't see the huge differene between 480p and 720p, you have no idea what the hell you're talking about and are too dumb to post in this thread.

To prove my point, take your laptop and change the screen resolution on it right now down to 720x480 resolution (480p, the max resolution DVDs play at). Odds are, it won't go that low so change it to 800x600 (600p) atleast. Then come back here and tell me with a straight face that the resolution downgrade isn't significant.

 

[knucles]

Quote:
movies in 1080p are meant to be seen in a 40"+ hd screen with dolby digital surround som.......other than that and you losing 50% of experience and paying 30$ to do it
They're "meant" to be watched anywhere one wants to watch them. I don't claim to know what you want, why would you claim to know what I want?

1080p movies are meant to be played in a 40"hd screen +dolby digital

they are not meant to be played by me, they are meant to be played by the artists who created the movie in the first place......

i am not bashing blu-ray , i've said it and repeat it. i LOVE 1080p with every cell of my brain(well, the one's that i use)

it's just not worth 40% of the space on a laptop. there are far more important things for me being battery life, lightness and overall performance that could be greatly enhanced using that space.

again, in my opinion.

anyhow in a few years you will buy 1080p movies in a pen drive and i guess than we all be happy

ps. as you said you can rip it - i can't reengineer a logicboard laptop

EXAMPLE

jazz music is not meant to be played on the speakers of a laptop that doesn't play the bass to begin with.....

 

[wikoogle]

so you download 1080p movies regularly do you? :rollseyes: and this coming from the guy who thinks the difference between 1080p and 720p or even 480p isn't very noticable even sitting only a foot away. I really hope apple is paying you good money to say this crap

Umm... I download HD movies every day and I get at least 98% of my advertised speed. Takes me less than 30 minutes for 720p and an hour for 1080p.

well then it should be no problem for you to take a screen shot showing a google page with google time along side when you start a 1080p download and another identical screen shot one hour later with the progress bar and googles time shouldn't it?

 

[drjsway]

lol no it doesn't. If you think it's only my ISP that's far slower than advertised, Why don't you try it out and maybe take a screenshot while you're at it (before and after). ISPs advertize their max possible speed but you pretty much never actually get that speed. It'll take you a LOT longer than an hour.

This is what I get with my WiFi connection. It's a touch faster through ethernet. My advertised rate is 18 down and 1.5 up. AT&T just informed me that they are adding a Max Turbo plan with 24 down in my area within the next few weeks.

Let's see. 17.09 Mb = 2.13 MB = 7.66GB an hour. Okay, maybe I exaggerated a bit. It takes me a little OVER an hour for 1080p.

 

[seanconn]

I didn't have the space in the title to specify GDdR5 or 256bit GPU, read my OP if you wanted to know what GPUs I would like to see.

Seanconn, I don't need to respond to you to show how stupid your posts, all I need to is quote them.

yeah I was quoting you saying that there are 100GB Blu ray discs for $5.

they don't even mass manufacture 100gb as far as I know.


and I stand behind my post on the Next 360 i think it is funny, and illustrates how devoted microsoft is to overheating all of their machines.

 

[drjsway]

and this coming from the guy who thinks the difference between 1080p and 720p or even 480p isn't very noticable even sitting only a foot away.

I've never even mentioned 480p at all. 480p to 720p is a huge jump. 720p to 1080p on a laptop is not. Even sitting a foot away.

 

[smithmax13]

Wikoogle, it's not that people can't see the difference, it's that we just don't care. If I really want to watch a movie on my laptop, I'll download it (comcast 15mb/s) in <20 minutes and not have to worry about losing an expensive disc. If you're one of those guys who is obsessed with HD, then get a windows machine that has the resolution and BD drive you are longing for and be happy. Otherwise, quit complaining that apple will not measure up to your standards.

 

[seanconn]

so you download 1080p movies regularly do you? :rollseyes: and this coming from the guy who thinks the difference between 1080p and 720p or even 480p isn't very noticable even sitting only a foot away. I really hope apple is paying you good money to say this crap




well then it should be no problem for you to take a screen shot showing a google page with google time along side when you start a 1080p download and another identical screen shot one hour later with the progress bar and googles time shouldn't it?

dude, you realize you turned this into a thread about blu ray right?


sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo not the point and
sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo super lame.

You obviously don't like Apple's products, so stop making threads about them. it's a little more than obvious optical media will be phased out in favour of digital distribution... not immediately, but inevitably.

Why should Apple adopt a failing more expensive way of doing things, when they already have a winning combo in the iTunes store. ... only fault it has compared to Bluray is no 1080p and no resale value.