If u don't like iOS or iPhone get a new phone!

[Rodimus Prime]

I get what you're saying, but the problem in that is when you say android, you're talking about almost 100 different devices. There are features on some android phones that aren't available on other android phones. But to cherry pick features that are available on one phone (android), then cherry pick features on another phone (android), and then another phone, and then compare them all to one phone (iphone) isn't really a fair comparison. Now if it's one phone that has all the features you're looking for then that is more of a legit comparison.

But if you look at the list of features most people here complain about the iPhone not having that iPhone does have tends to be the same list of features from Android phones.

4in+ screen.
Notifications
use choice of keyboards (swype or swiftkey being big ones)
ability to run flash
side load apps

Pretty much a common list of features on Android phones.

The argument that iPhone is only one phone vs all the Android phones I call is crap. Sorry but Apple chooses only to design one phone and has an OS which at this point is starting to show its age.

 

[Vegastouch]

I get what you're saying, but the problem in that is when you say android, you're talking about almost 100 different devices. There are features on some android phones that aren't available on other android phones. But to cherry pick features that are available on one phone (android), then cherry pick features on another phone (android), and then another phone, and then compare them all to one phone (iphone) isn't really a fair comparison. Now if it's one phone that has all the features you're looking for then that is more of a legit comparison.

I think many of the features are carrier/ company related.

I cant watch the NFL Network on my Vibrant but you can on the Verizon Fascinate but it works on the same firmware. They also have a camera flash, i dont but i have 16GB of internal memory and they have 2GB. Same phones. Both of us can play video wirelessly on our TV from our phone when you buy a part that goes on the TV. I do think it has to be a Samsung TV but dont really know. Havnet tried it, and dont really care to do it. Or we can do it with a cable.

I can play 1080p video on mine, but HTC MyTouch , you may not be able to. Froyo will allow it though. I can use Bluetooth 3.0 on mine, some HTC and Motorola phones cant but Froyo will allow it.
Maybe im wrong, but im also no software tech either. I DO know that Devs make custom ROMS for Froyo and there are some different things on others so the support is there. My phone also as the parts in it to have a FFC but no hole for teh front face and the support for it isnt in the software on my phone but it exists on another. I think the UK Galaxy S phones have them.

Bottom line is, i compare the everyday stuff like my GPS has turn by turn voice navigation stock and for some reason, you guys dont. I can customize my SMS a bunch of different ways, use a bunch of different keyboards like Swype, Swiftkey, etc and you guys cant.
Common features there and ones that get griped about here.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

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Apple sells so well because they make there product look so well and work so easily that any idiot will know how to use it.... HOWEVER that does not mean by any means that the iPhone is a dumb phone!!!!
My iPhone is unlocked and running on another network, I don't have to use iTunes to get my music, I have a droid pattern lockcode, I use bitesms and notified pro...The list goes on and on.. Because there is only one platform with not bloatware the hacking community for iOS is the biggest and most efficient.

Just figured I would point out that you had to jailbreak your phone to get those features that run on EVERY Android powered phone.
Since you are jailbroken all those examples I would call invalided. I have all of those on my Android phone with out having to even root it.

 

[Reach9]

I am so sick of seeing endless posts about people complaining about iPhone/iOS shortcomings!

What you people need to remember is the iPhone 4 is ONE DEVICE!!!
It is not fair to name off features from 20 Different android devices and compare them to ONE Apple phone.

I don't understand why people still think specs are what makes a phone...

USER EXPERIENCE is why Apple will always be the king.

If you seriously want to complain about the iPhone... remember that your perfect Android or windows 7 Phone is going to be missing something too.

Now I know there are legitimate complaints about the iPhone it's not perfect.
But this rant was towards people who are not satisfied with anything they get.

Yeah some people will never be satisfied. I think there's a personality disorder related to that.

 

[mz100]

Yes, I did have to jailbreak my phone to get all of these features.

My point was it is not a dumb phone. The 3rd party developer support is so good that I can have all of these things

I need a jailbroken iPhone

However I would take a regular iPhone over an android device any day

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Yes, I did have to jailbreak my phone to get all of these features.

My point was it is not a dumb phone. The 3rd party developer support is so good that I can have all of these things

I need a jailbroken iPhone

However I would take a regular iPhone over an android device any day

The second I read something like that all your arguments go out the window and from your first post it seems like to me that you are a iPhone fanboy so are going to bash anything that does not agree with you.

Also because of that same fanboy part you can not stand people who hit the iPhone for its problems. It is even funnier that you get on people for that and you Jailbroke your phone to get those features that everyone wants. Something does not add up.

 

[Vegastouch]

Yes, I did have to jailbreak my phone to get all of these features.

My point was it is not a dumb phone. The 3rd party developer support is so good that I can have all of these things

I need a jailbroken iPhone

However I would take a regular iPhone over an android device any day

Sounds like something a stubborn person would say...lol.

I was like you. I jailbroke my iPhone and loved all the extra things i could do. I got an Android for different reasons. I was and still am on T-Mobile and my iPhone was getting too slow and i didnt want to fork over a bunch of money to get a iP4 and still be on EDGE so i got a Vibrant. After a good week of constantly playing with it and geting used to it, i thought it was an awesome device that did most things that i had to jailbreak to get. Then when i discovered XDA and the Devs putting out custom ROMS and other things, i knew this was the device to have.

I dont hate Apple and i dont dislike the iPhone at all. Android just has what i like and dont have to wait a year for a major upgrade. Funny thing is, if Apple wasnt exclusive to AT&T and been so locked down, i may have never switched. Too bad for them. Big mistake while millions of others discovered how well and fast Android was coming on too.
Cant wait to get a Galaxy S2.

 

[pyro008]

If you allow the usual manufacturers to make hardware to run iOS (and stop Apple from making the hardware), then allow carriers / manufacturers to put whatever crapware they want on the phones, then you'd be on a level playing field with Android. And you'd probably lose market share. Apple having only 1 phone and controlling their OS and apps so heavily is a significant part of what attracts people to the iPhone.

Calling it unfair because Android gets more hardware than iOS is vastly oversimplifying and ignoring most of the inequalities between the two.

 

[mysterioustko]

I think many of the features are carrier/ company related.

I cant watch the NFL Network on my Vibrant but you can on the Verizon Fascinate but it works on the same firmware. They also have a camera flash, i dont but i have 16GB of internal memory and they have 2GB. Same phones. Both of us can play video wirelessly on our TV from our phone when you buy a part that goes on the TV. I do think it has to be a Samsung TV but dont really know. Havnet tried it, and dont really care to do it. Or we can do it with a cable.

I can play 1080p video on mine, but HTC MyTouch , you may not be able to. Froyo will allow it though. I can use Bluetooth 3.0 on mine, some HTC and Motorola phones cant but Froyo will allow it.
Maybe im wrong, but im also no software tech either. I DO know that Devs make custom ROMS for Froyo and there are some different things on others so the support is there. My phone also as the parts in it to have a FFC but no hole for teh front face and the support for it isnt in the software on my phone but it exists on another. I think the UK Galaxy S phones have them.

Bottom line is, i compare the everyday stuff like my GPS has turn by turn voice navigation stock and for some reason, you guys dont. I can customize my SMS a bunch of different ways, use a bunch of different keyboards like Swype, Swiftkey, etc and you guys cant.
Common features there and ones that get griped about here.

I get where you're coming from and I definitely agree, iPhone definitely does lack on several basic features. I just like looking at the oft made comparisons from both sides. By the way I notice you said "you guys don't", lol I know my comments make it seem like I'm an iphone user but I'm not (I just like technology in general). As of a few days ago, I use a HTC Sensation :-D . I share in the iphone experience to the extent of helping my family with theirs as needed.

 

[mz100]

The second I read something like that all your arguments go out the window and from your first post it seems like to me that you are a iPhone fanboy so are going to bash anything that does not agree with you.

Also because of that same fanboy part you can not stand people who hit the iPhone for its problems. It is even funnier that you get on people for that and you Jailbroke your phone to get those features that everyone wants. Something does not add up.

U can call me a fanboy all you want...
The bottom line is, I have an iPhone 4. I can jailbreak it, so I did and enjoy the features I have.

However.
I can explain why I will take a non jailbroken iPhone 4 over an android device

No Phone can come close to the screen on the iPhone 4.
Talk all you want about screen size, but for a mobile phone 3.5 inches is fine.

The fact that I can read every thread title on the macrumors forums on my 3.5 inch screen without zooming in over

an android phone with a 4.3 in screen with 800*480 that requires me to zoom in...

The screen alone is enough for most people..

Want more? OK

The music player is the smoothest on a mobile phone. all my music is on iTunes and syncs perfectly with my phone.

The apps on the iPhone are less clunky and look better than android.
Facebook chat was on the iPhone months before android.

Browser:

Flash would be cool to have, But I don't really need it...
90% of the sites I use on my phone work perfectly with the iPhone.

Not to mention safari is the smoothest mobile browser. the iPhone 2G came out in 2007 running iPhone OS 1.0 and still had smoother scrolling than any android browser today.


These are just some reasons why I prefer an iPhone over an Android device?


So care to explain again how I am a fanboy???

 

[sectime]

But if you look at the list of features most people here complain about the iPhone not having that iPhone does have tends to be the same list of features from Android phones.

4in+ screen.
Notifications
use choice of keyboards (swype or swiftkey being big ones)
ability to run flash
side load apps

Pretty much a common list of features on Android phones.

4 inch screen: I have used, OG Droid, Droid X, Thunderbolt.
4 inch isn't that much of an upgrade, the wow factor wears off pretty quickly.
If Iphone 5 has a 4 inch retina display cool but its no Ipad
Notifications:
Don't look behind you cause IOS 5 is standing there. The notifications are great
Keyboards: Its a phone, Swype would be nice
Flash: Please
Side load apps: Who cares?? how is that an advantage for vast majority of users.
Please come up with something stronger to argue

 

[wordoflife]

So you make a thread telling people to stop the arguments about iPhone and different phone platforms (or do you?) and then you go straight ahead into comparing them yourself, obviously siding with one phone over the other (posts 25 and 36).

Okay.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

4 inch screen: I have used, OG Droid, Droid X, Thunderbolt.
4 inch isn't that much of an upgrade, the wow factor wears off pretty quickly.
If Iphone 5 has a 4 inch retina display cool but its no Ipad
Notifications:
Don't look behind you cause IOS 5 is standing there. The notifications are great
Keyboards: Its a phone, Swype would be nice
Flash: Please
Side load apps: Who cares?? how is that an advantage for vast majority of users.
Please come up with something stronger to argue

I still find 4 -4.5 in screen a lot nicer than the 3.5 of the iPhone.

Notifications - iOS5 is a bad copy of Androids sorry but it still has a little ways to go. It lacks any constant icon to be there. Miss the notification you have to pull it down to see it.

Keyboards- I am sorry if you are suck on the poor iPhone keyboard and can not install another choice.

Flash- Do not try to please argument. That just means you do not have anything. While most of the time it is not a big deal it is nice for the times that I have used it. Not having to launch an You tube player to play a video and still browse is nice.

Well if you could side load on iOS then we would not have this crap of apps being rejeted and you could solve you keyboard problem in theory because you could install your own. Or it taking forever to put Google Voice on the phone iwht Apple BS delay.

 

[mz100]

So you make a thread telling people to stop the arguments about iPhone and different phone platforms (or do you?) and then you go straight ahead into comparing them yourself, obviously siding with one phone over the other (posts 25 and 36).

Okay.

I'm literally lol because of u right now.
Not only have u not contributed anything into this Thread but I remember reading posts from you because of ur signature. You literally have nothing positive to contribute to these forums. Instead of being a know it all smart ass read my post again....then read the rest of the replies and u will understand why mine said that

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Just figured I would point out that you had to jailbreak your phone to get those features that run on EVERY Android powered phone.
Since you are jailbroken all those examples I would call invalided. I have all of those on my Android phone with out having to even root it.

Invalid? How about 90%(guesstimate) of all Android phones need to be rooted, tweaked and/or loaded with a custom rom, just to have decent battery life. What about the fragmentation of updates and apps?

Jailbreaking is so freaking easy and normal to do among average users, it's almost considered stock.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Invalid? How about 90%(guesstimate) of all Android phones need to be rooted, tweaked and/or loaded with a custom rom, just to have decent battery life. What about the fragmentation of updates and apps?

Jailbreaking is so freaking easy and normal to do among average users, it's almost considered stock.

and you would be wrong. Rooting an Android phone is a hell of a lot easier than an iPhone as we have 1 click roots out there and have for a while. I find it a lot easier root an Android phone than to jailbreak iOS.
MKost people never root their phone and even fewer load a custom rom.
By your argument 90% of all iPhone have to be jailbroken to be usable in the slightest way.

Face it very few people jailbreak just like very few root. Problem is here and on forums in both cases in Android and iPhone is full of geeks that tend to want to that stuff. Yes my android phone is rooted and the only root level thing I have ever done to it was to force it to allow me to side load but now that AT&T remove that it not like it is exactly needed but I am also a geek and a tweaker but I am not running a custom Rom at all and I get fine battery life.

Your post is full of miss information and bashing. It pretty much the standard lies that get spread by people who have never really used it.

 

[mysterioustko]

Invalid? How about 90%(guesstimate) of all Android phones need to be rooted, tweaked and/or loaded with a custom rom, just to have decent battery life. What about the fragmentation of updates and apps?

Jailbreaking is so freaking easy and normal to do among average users, it's almost considered stock.

Come on let's at least be reasonable now....nobody considers jailbreaking to be stock. Stock is stock, simple as that...and no the average consumer DOES NOT jailbreak their phone.
As for the rest of your comment, this is a perfect example of why I said it doesn't make sense to compare one iphone to every other android phone out there just because it has the same OS. There are phones that get good battery life, just not every phone that has the Android OS. For example, the Nexus S can easily get through a day with heavy use. Making a general comparison with every phone doesn't make sense because you're comparing a phone to an operating system...that doesn't make sense. If you're going to make a comparison, compare a phone to a phone.

 

[sentinelsx]

Sure I had to jailbreak my ip4 for notifications and bitedms/pwntunes etc. But hey, I own a captivate and I need to root and.load a custom rom to make it bearable. No joke
So I would take a jailbroken ip4 over an android.anyway. even with the latest jvh custom kernel with UV it'd battery lasts half.of my sold off.ip4. And ip4 catered fine.to all my needs, except android.looked flashy and cool.


Now that the.novelty is.gone I am longing for my ip4 I think for movies etc.ill probably buy a Asus transformer or a Playbook lol.

 

[mz100]

and you would be wrong. Rooting an Android phone is a hell of a lot easier than an iPhone as we have 1 click roots out there and have for a while. I find it a lot easier root an Android phone than to jailbreak iOS.
MKost people never root their phone and even fewer load a custom rom.
By your argument 90% of all iPhone have to be jailbroken to be usable in the slightest way.

Face it very few people jailbreak just like very few root. Problem is here and on forums in both cases in Android and iPhone is full of geeks that tend to want to that stuff. Yes my android phone is rooted and the only root level thing I have ever done to it was to force it to allow me to side load but now that AT&T remove that it not like it is exactly needed but I am also a geek and a tweaker but I am not running a custom Rom at all and I get fine battery life.

Your post is full of miss information and bashing. It pretty much the standard lies that get spread by people who have never really used it.

If u think rooting an android phone and jailbraking an iPhone are close u are delusional.

Rooting an android phone usually requires many more steps than an iPhone. With an iPhone u are given an alternative app store with apps descriptions and pics RIGHT ON UR PHONE!!!
no downloading alternative roms flashing kernels and all that BS

I used to own an Evo and it took me 40+steps on xda and about an hour and a half to download the necessary software to do a full nandroid unlock/root.

With the iPhone it's 3-5 steps max and it's easy.

Stop kidding ur self.

And no the iPhone is by no means useless without jailbreak.
Retina display is the best mobile screen to date.
3.5 inches and we don't need to zoom in to read web pages
Yet Ur 4.3 inch screen requires zoom
IN MY OPINION iPhone has:
More/better quality apps
Better music player
Sleeker/more organized U/I
And with iOS 5 awesome notifications.

Once again In my opinion iPhone is better for those reasons.

The problem is I can admit to the iPhones shortcomings but u can't.

And no Me not admitting the iPhone is useless without jailbreak does not make me a fanboy.

 

[nateo200]

I am so sick of seeing endless posts about people complaining about iPhone/iOS shortcomings!

What you people need to remember is the iPhone 4 is ONE DEVICE!!!
It is not fair to name off features from 20 Different android devices and compare them to ONE Apple phone.

I don't understand why people still think specs are what makes a phone...

USER EXPERIENCE is why Apple will always be the king.

If you seriously want to complain about the iPhone... remember that your perfect Android or windows 7 Phone is going to be missing something too.

Now I know there are legitimate complaints about the iPhone it's not perfect.
But this rant was towards people who are not satisfied with anything they get.

Lets literally PM this post to everyone on this forum. Thank you kind sir. Seriously people are just dumb that's all their is to it. They don't fully understand how technology works and criticize it off of what little they know, probably little more than those room temperature IQ Verizon store reps (I'm a bit harsh tonight but it'll get the point across)

 

[mysterioustko]

If u think rooting an android phone and jailbraking an iPhone are close u are delusional.

Rooting an android phone usually requires many more steps than an iPhone. With an iPhone u are given an alternative app store with apps descriptions and pics RIGHT ON UR PHONE!!!
no downloading alternative roms flashing kernels and all that BS

I used to own an Evo and it took me 40+steps on xda and about an hour and a half to download the necessary software to do a full nandroid unlock/root.

With the iPhone it's 3-5 steps max and it's easy.

Stop kidding ur self.

And no the iPhone is by no means useless without jailbreak.
Retina display is the best mobile screen to date.
3.5 inches and we don't need to zoom in to read web pages
Yet Ur 4.3 inch screen requires zoom
IN MY OPINION iPhone has:
More/better quality apps
Better music player
Sleeker/more organized U/I
And with iOS 5 awesome notifications.

Once again In my opinion iPhone is better for those reasons.

The problem is I can admit to the iPhones shortcomings but u can't.

And no Me not admitting the iPhone is useless without jailbreak does not make me a fanboy.

Actually what he said is right, it is easier in general to root than to jailbreak. Take my G2X for example, when I rooted it all I did was connect it to my computer open the program called superoneclick, and clicked root..about 30 seconds later the phone was rooted. Very easy, quick, and painless. And for the Evo that you mentioned (I had that when it came out too), there was and is a one click root available that is much easier and faster than the method you did.

 

[stevensr123]

Like I said in other threads, iOS and android both have pro's and cons.

However I would say in terms of features and evolution and major updates android is clearly a head now and iOS is trying to catch up.

I thought iOS 5 would be the game changer, surpassing android and bring competition to a new level, sadly there are only a few major updates ( if at all) and it's still the same stale ui and not a lot of customisation.

Hopefully ios6 will be the next big step.

Android is great because, I'd you don't like the interface? Customise it to the way you want, you get bored? Simpychange it again . Basically with android you can never be bored with playing around with the interface. You want it to look like iOS? Simply install the rom.

You get bored of the iOS UI? sorry your stuck with it until apple change it.

You don't like the keyboard in android? Install a new keyboard , use swype, voice command etc

You want flash? Install it, your don't want flash? Don't install it.

You want to play different file formats? Download an app, you don't like the default music player,easy, there are plenty of different ones to choose from.

Not only that but every year google just keeps on adding a **** load of performance enhancers, features etc which just make android better and fix the bugs.

Right now the ui on most android phones just keep on getting better, to the point were the latest phones are faster, more fluid and more responsive than even the iPhone.

You can't even complain about not having software like iTunes and a place to download music. Because now you can actually use iTunes with android phones, via an app.

That's the great thing about android.

The only way I see iOS getting back on top or competing is if apple makes it more open.

 

[stevensr123]

Retina display is the best mobile screen to date.
3.5 inches and we don't need to zoom in to read web pages
Yet Ur 4.3 inch screen requires zoom
IN MY OPINION iPhone has:
More/better quality apps
Better music player
Sleeker/more organized U/I
And with iOS 5 awesome notifications.

Once again In my opinion iPhone is better for those reasons.

The problem is I can admit to the iPhones shortcomings but u can't.

And no Me not admitting the iPhone is useless without jailbreak does not make me a fanboy.

I'm gonna respond to this post.

I have had the iPhone 4 since it come out and loved it, until I got bored of the ui.

So last week I got the samsung galaxy s2 to compliment the iPhone 4.

The screen on this samsug galaxy IMO is even better than the iPhone 4, yes there are More pixels on the iPhone 4 , however stop kidding yourself, you would have to pinch all the way until stupid levels to actually notice pixels on any of the moden phones regardless of the Pixel ratio. When the iPhone 3GS came out, did you complain about pixels? I would bet my left ball you did not. Anyway the colours, blacks, new technology and bigger screen make my samsung galaxy s2 screen even better.

User interface more organised? Well if you mean, it is simple a few pages full of apps, then yes it's more "organised", however if you want, you can simply customise the android ui to have the same effect. So that point doesn't stand IMO. also the new phones of android are even faster, more responsive and more fluid than even my iPhone 4!.

Better music play? For sure, however on android I can simply download another music player that is just as good IMO. plus I can download an app that allows me to use iTunes to organise my media library so it is exactly like my iPhone 4 in terms of library layout.

Also notifications and widgets on android stomp the iOS version.

That said for the average consumer, iOS is great because it's simply, great dev support and if you buy other apple products, everything just works together.

 

[boss.king]

If u think rooting an android phone and jailbraking an iPhone are close u are delusional.

Rooting an android phone usually requires many more steps than an iPhone. With an iPhone u are given an alternative app store with apps descriptions and pics RIGHT ON UR PHONE!!!
no downloading alternative roms flashing kernels and all that BS

I used to own an Evo and it took me 40+steps on xda and about an hour and a half to download the necessary software to do a full nandroid unlock/root.

With the iPhone it's 3-5 steps max and it's easy.

Stop kidding ur self.

And no the iPhone is by no means useless without jailbreak.
Retina display is the best mobile screen to date.
3.5 inches and we don't need to zoom in to read web pages
Yet Ur 4.3 inch screen requires zoom
IN MY OPINION iPhone has:
More/better quality apps
Better music player
Sleeker/more organized U/I
And with iOS 5 awesome notifications.

Once again In my opinion iPhone is better for those reasons.

The problem is I can admit to the iPhones shortcomings but u can't.

And no Me not admitting the iPhone is useless without jailbreak does not make me a fanboy.

Rooting doesn't take that long. Often, as Rodimus Prime said, there is a one-click solution. Also, "downloading alternative roms flashing kernels and all that BS" is not actually necessary, and also, is not that hard, but of course this can differ from phone to phone. Many of the thing's you've listed are opinions, not facts. It's great that you like your phone but this thread was pretty obviously going to attract argument form the start. "USER EXPERIENCE is why Apple will always be the king."? come on, have some sense and see that not everyone has the same needs/wants as you

 

[Nautilus007]

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This definitely ranks in the top 5 stupidest threads I've seen on MacRumors