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If you came from Windows, how do you like your MBPr and would you go back? (RANT)

Exactly like a car then

~~Hello~~ said:
I can't say I'm happy about Apple locking down their laptops. Always been able to replace/upgrade the RAM, and battery before.I appreciate there are users who will never do these things. But some of us have the technical know how. So it feels like everything is in Apple's hands now apart from the hard drive. I don't think a laptop should be considered to be like a car either. There are plenty of computer enthusiasts who like to tinker, and prolong the life of their laptops.

Ok so if you max out the RAM you shouldn't need to worry about that. But because it's soldered on, if the RAM goees faulty after your Applecare has run out then you'd need to replace the entire logic board. And yes I know you could buy a new laptop but you shouldn't have to. You can't just swap out the battery. Would be some down time while apple replaced the battery. I suppose you can still upgrade the hard drive. Thanks Apple. :p

I'm not saying I won't purchase one this year, but I'm not completely happy. So I could quite easily change back, though I'd have to go to Linux. I can't go back to Windows full time again. Just a shame Linux isn't as polished as OSX.
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There are plenty of car enthusiasts that like to tinker and "prolong" the life of their car.

There are plenty of companies that make products you can tinker away with to your hearts content. Apple don't make them but if thats what you want buy one of them. You can tinker with apple laptops as much as you like as well, you will void your waranty and you will have to unsolder/unglue and solder/glue everything back in but you certainly can do it.

Apple will change a battery in a couple of hours at their shops.

You can't upgrade the hard drive (from late 2013 rMBP onwards) as it is a propretry connector, so unless you get one that has been taken from another macbook pro of the same vintage as the one you have they can't currently be replaced.
 
~~Hello~~ said:
I can't say I'm happy about Apple locking down their laptops. Always been able to replace/upgrade the RAM, and battery before.I appreciate there are users who will never do these things. But some of us have the technical know how. So it feels like everything is in Apple's hands now apart from the hard drive. I don't think a laptop should be considered to be like a car either. There are plenty of computer enthusiasts who like to tinker, and prolong the life of their laptops.

Ok so if you max out the RAM you shouldn't need to worry about that. But because it's soldered on, if the RAM goees faulty after your Applecare has run out then you'd need to replace the entire logic board. And yes I know you could buy a new laptop but you shouldn't have to. You can't just swap out the battery. Would be some down time while apple replaced the battery. I suppose you can still upgrade the hard drive. Thanks Apple. :p

I'm not saying I won't purchase one this year, but I'm not completely happy. So I could quite easily change back, though I'd have to go to Linux. I can't go back to Windows full time again. Just a shame Linux isn't as polished as OSX.
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Ha - you sound like the 2012 me.

I refused buying a retina model and bought the classic version instead.

Took it home, bought my own SSD and increased RAM, then waited 3 years for the battery to fail so I could replace it myself.

Never happened.

What did happen though - after I priced it out I realized I ended up spending practically the same amount as I would of, on a retina. And I would of had an SSD and the RAM I wanted starting out.

I was left with an inferior screen (and it was very noticeably next to a retina), and something much more awkward and heavy to carry.

I think now the retinas take out the reason most people upgraded their macs in the first place. SSD and RAM prices have come down, and retinas now start at 8GB minimum for ram, and include SSD's.

I've never heard of RAM failing outside of user error (as in, mismatching sticks), and definitely not in a macbook. And if you'd rather have a heavier, thicker computer just so you can upgrade the battery "one day" in the future, be my guest.
 
~~Hello~~ said:
I can't say I'm happy about Apple locking down their laptops. Always been able to replace/upgrade the RAM, and battery before.I appreciate there are users who will never do these things. But some of us have the technical know how. So it feels like everything is in Apple's hands now apart from the hard drive. I don't think a laptop should be considered to be like a car either. There are plenty of computer enthusiasts who like to tinker, and prolong the life of their laptops.

Ok so if you max out the RAM you shouldn't need to worry about that. But because it's soldered on, if the RAM goees faulty after your Applecare has run out then you'd need to replace the entire logic board. And yes I know you could buy a new laptop but you shouldn't have to. You can't just swap out the battery. Would be some down time while apple replaced the battery. I suppose you can still upgrade the hard drive. Thanks Apple. :p

I'm not saying I won't purchase one this year, but I'm not completely happy. So I could quite easily change back, though I'd have to go to Linux. I can't go back to Windows full time again. Just a shame Linux isn't as polished as OSX.
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Just so you know, RAM is known to be one of the most reliable components in a computer, and typically doesn't simply go faulty like you think it might.

I would personally prefer a slimmer, adhered battery that resulted in a slimmer laptop than a removable one that resulted in a thicker laptop. If I wanted to tinker and upgrade, I wouldn't get the rMBP in the first place, and Apple shouldn't be obliged to cater for tinkerers and upgrades.

And it's not impossible to replace the battery, it's just a little more difficult. Sure, you'll wreck the old battery in the process, but it's gonna get replaced anyway. If one was determined and skillful enough to replace the old MBP battery, then the new one won't be much harder.
 
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Samuelsan2001 said:
There are plenty of car enthusiasts that like to tinker and "prolong" the life of their car.

There are plenty of companies that make products you can tinker away with to your hearts content. Apple don't make them but if thats what you want buy one of them. You can tinker with apple laptops as much as you like as well, you will void your waranty and you will have to unsolder/unglue and solder/glue everything back in but you certainly can do it.

Apple will change a battery in a couple of hours at their shops.

You can't upgrade the hard drive (from late 2013 rMBP onwards) as it is a propretry connector, so unless you get one that has been taken from another macbook pro of the same vintage as the one you have they can't currently be replaced.
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Well that's good news about the battery. So I can take it off my moan list. :p

I knew it had a proprietary connector and I read that it changes with each release. But I had thought that in time there might be some third party suppliers. I'm sure when the retinas were first released there was talk of it. But obviously nothings materialised.
 
David58117 said:
Ha - you sound like the 2012 me.

I refused buying a retina model and bought the classic version instead.

Took it home, bought my own SSD and increased RAM, then waited 3 years for the battery to fail so I could replace it myself.

Never happened.

What did happen though - after I priced it out I realized I ended up spending practically the same amount as I would of, on a retina. And I would of had an SSD and the RAM I wanted starting out.

I was left with an inferior screen (and it was very noticeably next to a retina), and something much more awkward and heavy to carry.

I think now the retinas take out the reason most people upgraded their macs in the first place. SSD and RAM prices have come down, and retinas now start at 8GB minimum for ram, and include SSD's.

I've never heard of RAM failing outside of user error (as in, mismatching sticks), and definitely not in a macbook. And if you'd rather have a heavier, thicker computer just so you can upgrade the battery "one day" in the future, be my guest.
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Well hopefully I'll change my views. To be honest I get people irl putting me off them. But when I come here everyone is so positive. I just worry a bit too much about things going wrong. Probably should buy one and see how I go.
 
David58117 said:
Ha - you sound like the 2012 me.

I refused buying a retina model and bought the classic version instead.

Took it home, bought my own SSD and increased RAM, then waited 3 years for the battery to fail so I could replace it myself.

Never happened.

What did happen though - after I priced it out I realized I ended up spending practically the same amount as I would of, on a retina. And I would of had an SSD and the RAM I wanted starting out.

I was left with an inferior screen (and it was very noticeably next to a retina), and something much more awkward and heavy to carry.

I think now the retinas take out the reason most people upgraded their macs in the first place. SSD and RAM prices have come down, and retinas now start at 8GB minimum for ram, and include SSD's.

I've never heard of RAM failing outside of user error (as in, mismatching sticks), and definitely not in a macbook. And if you'd rather have a heavier, thicker computer just so you can upgrade the battery "one day" in the future, be my guest.
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This makes a lot of sense.

I actually did the math. Buy the MacBook Pro without retina from the Apple store.

Replace HDD with 256 SSD and upgrade RAM to 16- all from Amazon.

Total cost (laptop + upgrades) = $1,339

MacBook Pro with Retina (256 GB SSD Model with 16 GB RAM upgrade) = 1,699

So it costs $360 more, but you also get a Retina screen, superior graphics, longer battery life, lighter, thinner, faster processor, etc.

If you can't afford 1,699, then get a Dell XPS for about 1,000. 1,339 is WAY too much for cMBP
 
vantt1 said:
I have a 15" Retina and I came from three Windows laptops as well. I would never go back to any Windows-based laptop.

I opened up my case once just so I could see that beautiful industrial design in person, and when I screwed it back together, it creaked when I lifted it up with one hand at either of the corners. So I unscrewed it and tightened them like you would on a wheel hub, like this:

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And the creaking was gone!

Trust me, you would mind when that creaking in a $500 laptop leads to broken screw bosses and a hinge that pries the housing open from the inside, causing unrepairable damage.
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Did the creaking ever come back?
 
Hieveryone said:
Exactly, tightening screws are easy.

And I tightened them how they should be. So then why was it creaking?

It's not my ignorance. It's apples for creating a product that creaks, and your ignorance for not recognizing such an obvious and self evident fact.

Whatever the case, I'm close to calling victory as I think the creak is gone since tightening it according to the diagram. I heard a "tick" sound when lifting it from the left side. I'll see if it happens again.

At this point emailing T. Cook is on the table because he should know how many of his customers are unhappy with creaky macs and fix it if he hasn't already.

And no I'm not a car guy. I just drive a luxury car.
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You're dumb as hell buddy......after admitting to tightening the screws the wrong way, you post about how tightening them properly fixed your issue, but still post how you screwed "them how they should be." Honestly go off yourself

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David58117 said:
OP - Having read your posts on here for awhile, and just seen some of your youtube videos - I think you may have Aspergers, buddy.
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May I use this in my signature pleaseeee?
 
totten76 said:
You're dumb as hell buddy......after admitting to tightening the screws the wrong way, you post about how tightening them properly fixed your issue, but still post how you screwed "them how they should be." Honestly go off yourself

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May I use this in my signature pleaseeee?
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That's incorrect. You're dumb for not understanding my posts. Read carefully.
 
Ahh, glad I popped back on here before bed. This just keeps amazing me, I can't just look away. Bravo, OP, I really hope you're just trying to get a rise out of everyone with this nonsense you're spewing. No way can this be serious.
 
The 2012 ones

~~Hello~~ said:
Well that's good news about the battery. So I can take it off my moan list. :p

I knew it had a proprietary connector and I read that it changes with each release. But I had thought that in time there might be some third party suppliers. I'm sure when the retinas were first released there was talk of it. But obviously nothings materialised.
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Have 3rd party SSd's available from OWC.....
 
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