This is incredibly disappointing. It's just more limitations for us customers and it just means increased repair fees down the line which means most people will simply have to abandon the computer altogether.
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iFixit Indicates Third-Party 2018 MacBook Pro, iMac Pro Repairs Still Possible For Now
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Most likely, but that is not the point.
Which Apple restricts due to its practices
If it is hard for Apple to repair or a third party then it is more costly for the consumer. Costs are always passed on.
An issue in any field, but not a reason to restrict right to repair. Look at laws for car dealerships.
Irrelevant.
You don't have to design a machine that is hard to repair to have security
How so? Perhaps the SOC couldn’t be replaced, but such a failure is quite unlikely. If the parts that are prone to failure or damage can be replaced (display, keyboard, battery), then the score should still be the same as it is today. Besides, most laptops and tablets today have soldered CPUs, RAM, and often storage. An A12 MacBook wouldn’t be a departure here.
You do realize Apple is currently selling MacPros released in 2013 as new in 2018 right? That is 5 years.
Right on, changing those things have nothing to do with security, but revenue.
Totalitarians know that pushing the Security button on people makes us roll over.
No one dares argue against "security."
But it's really just another Big Lie.
I really miss the days of Macs being user upgradeable. I had both a 2006 Macbook and 2011 Macbook Pro and upgraded both the ram and HDD/SSD on both of them. The only thing I can possibly do on my 2014 MBP is upgrade the SSD and the only place to find them that I know of is OWC. A 480GB SSD from them is $323 Canadian. That's pretty pricy. Buying Ram or SSD exclusively from Apple at the time of purchasing a Mac means they can change whatever they want. Allowing these and other parts to be upgraded by the user means that multiple companies can make them. That means lower cost due to competition. I still remember Steve Jobs touting the fact that the Power Mac tower side panel could be opened and just about any part could be upgraded or replaced by the user. Those are the kinds of Macs we need again. Sadly Apple is obsessed with "thin and light". Last I checked the iMac or Mac Pro doesn't need to be thin and light. They're freakin' desktops for crying out loud.
Because I've invested years into OS X, long before Apple turned into the scumbag company it's become today. And why should I leave? Why don't you, since you clearly prefer echo chambers over rational thought? Seems like you're the one with the problem, not me.
Well, lately, progression has definitely been slower than, say, a decade ago. This means a 2012-2013 MBP isn't THAT much slower than a 2018 one in general. The last real jump in speed (over 2 times!) was the C2D -> Core i switch in 2010.
Who knows what the future brings... but given the comparatively slow pace of progression now, I'd say a 2018 MBP will be perfectly usable and won't be MUCH slower than a 2024 one.
Apple started moving to devices as appliances more than a decade ago. For instance, the first iPhone had no removable battery and no expandable storage. I believe a year later the MacBook Pro's batteries became sealed and in 2012 the RAM became soldered and the hard drive became incredibly difficult to remove. And so on and so forth.
Yet people continue to howl about a situation that dates back multiple US Presidential administrations and a decade worth of Super Bowl winners. It doesn't take an "apologist" to point out juvenile and worthless whining. Give it a rest or buy something else.
The Apple products you could tinker with went away a long time ago and they are not coming back.
Louis Rossman is surely making a video on this so he can further highlight his farcical disdain for Apple.
The beauty of the internet is availability of information so one can make a choice. If this "restriction" is indeed implemented and it goes against your grain, buy elsewhere.
The beauty of the internet is availability of information so one can make a choice. If this "restriction" is indeed implemented and it goes against your grain, buy elsewhere.
These aren't G4s. Those were slow when they were brand new. Everything made after 2010 has a second gen Core i5 or i7 processor and until this year, 7 years later, they were still competitive. Even now you're talking about machines that are still significantly faster than a Macbook and not far off a Macbook Pro. 7 year old machines... still viable, and totally out of support.
I use a 2008 Mac Pro running El Capitan every day. It works beautifully. But for the lack of security updates (which should be provided as a matter of law until the machine dies, NOT when Apple decide they want to force me to upgrade). The machine is perfectly useable. Why should I consign a functioning machine to landfill merely to prop up a company that has more money stashed (that it doesn't know what to do with) than any other commercial entity in history?
I love Apple products and the whole integrated ecosystem thing, but their attitude to repairs and obsolescence is appalling. Pure highway robbery.
Those needs are covered today by a €350 iPad. You can buy a new one each year and in 7 year’s time you’ll still have spent less than what you otherwise would have on a MBP. + the benefits of having the last gear instead of a 7-year-old computer. Get a cheap bluetooth keyboard for the longer documents you need to write and you are all set.
People are really blowing it out of proportion. My personal example. I have a 2010 21.5” iMac. Yes it does searve my computational needs - nowadays I use it mostly for Cubase which I use to process the midi files from my synthesizer. Facebook, browsing, emails, documents, etc. have long been relegated to the iPad, in fact, the iPad is more suitable for those tasks than the iMac which I switch on very rarely
In the mean time, the iMac got a 4/5k display, SSD/fusion drive, USB3 / thunderbolt, much faster CPUs. Technologically speaking, it is worth upgrading to a new machine.
Juvenile, whining, give it a rest?
Fall out of the wrong side of the bed this morning?
People are allowed to complain about valid things.
Who wants to buy a new computer when they upgrade a version of software that needs more memory.
You prove the point that you are an apple apologist quite nicely.
People kept complaining about slow upgrades, Apple did something about it and made iOS 12 faster for older devices.
Complaining where Apple can see it is the way to go. Doesn't matter if you don't like it.
I could stoop to your level and use words like juvenile, but I will resist the temptation and not chat to you again unless you are more civil.
This is just the beginning. Just wait til Apple does something to iPhones. You crack your LCD and you'll have to throw it AWAY and get a new one because of "Apple Secure Enclave being disabled from attempted repair blah blah blah". If I have a machine or phone then I reserve the right to work on it. Period. I'm now glad to have an older MacBook Pro where I can do my own work. It's already got 16gb RAM. Toss in a SSD and a new battery and I'm good to go.
Well I for one, make a living on a 2009 ssd upgraded Imac, and Its doing just fine. In fact I see no reason to upgrade it yet.
That doesn't even begin to cover the costs of becoming an accredited repairer:
- $299 for access to AppleCare Technician Training materials
- Around $150 per exam, of which there are two. Apple Certified Mac Technician and macOS Support Essentials. Three if you also include Apple Certified iOS Technician.
- Around $100,000 or more to establish a dedicated service location (residential addresses are not permitted), establish a credit line for parts, fit a shop to comply with Apple's look and feel guidelines, produce marketing materials as per Apple's guidelines, purchase required tools, fixtures and equipment, and construct a secure storage area for stock parts - according to Apple's AASP guidelines.
Of course Apple needs to approve your request as well, which they rarely do.
After all that, then you have access to some service documentation and the ability to order service parts.
Just a little bit more than $150.
My 2012 MacBook Pro has a SSD and 16 Gigs of RAM. Runs like a champ. Can even play Civ IV, WOT and WOWS! Don’t plan to upgrade since there is no worthy successor.
Well exactly the same performance it has now? Other software may change but if that machine can run program "X" now it should run it until the end of time
Wow such ignorance and illiteracy. I stated I purchased it to get familiar with OSX after being away for a few years. I never stated I expected decent performance from it! I stated how the current use of it vs when it debuted that I experienced.
When did I ever stated it was expected to perform the way it did when it debuted? I think the stupidity is in your lack of comprehension of what you read.
They both cannot be “more useable” today vs still usable. Are you really saying and believing each machines performance has increased since their debut?
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Therein lies the point of my posts. In roughly 5-7yrs the performance anyone should expect of running modern software and web experiences will not actually live up to those expectations.
The worry of an iMac Pro or 2018 MBP is due to those components non-upgradeable that repairs will not be valid. The real worry is obsolescence occurs much sooner than 7yrs “Vintage” status.
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That’s your prerogative. I never asked that of you. You’re missing the point of the thread and the debat at hand.
I’m glad you don’t have to upgrade. Sales reps may not like you but repair technicians would love you.
Getting 5 to 7 years support out of any piece of technology is amazing. Hardly a valid complaint.
Nowdays most of software is form over factor and not optimized. Created because developers need to create quickly and in easy way. Large installers, file size while in fact most of us use computers for trivial things like web browsing and web browsers slow down not due to content (Flash or Java was created long time ago) but due to amount of ads, videos that start without any permission and size of pictures. We have multicore CPUs but most of apps still do not use it in efficient way. I am not a professional photographer but made a lot of advanced operations in Adobe Photoshop 6 and 7 so cannot believe that young Insta users need xx GB install using 64GB RAM and CUDA to edit another zillion selfie. They are just lazy to get the same effect after 10 seconds later or to learn 10 steps more. Most of old computers could be still used even on old systems but they are just not supported and this is really stupid that Microsoft killed Windows XP or 7 in the same fashion like Apple killed Mavericks or Mountain Lion using terms "evolution" and "security". But nobody takes care about environment. Software can be adopted to hardware so hardware might be still used if your OS support web browser and it is supported by Apple or Microsoft. I do not need a 85W brick that powers hexacore CPU to browse web.
My main MAC is a mid 2012 MacBook Pro which I use intensively.
Computer performance leaps are slowing right down. Things should be lasting longer and longer.
More like are easily sidelined and hoodwinked under the spell of ‘its for security’ BS, whilst Apples profits go ever higher.... as a convenient side effect of forced repairs.