This is incredibly disappointing. It's just more limitations for us customers and it just means increased repair fees down the line which means most people will simply have to abandon the computer altogether.
Most likely, but that is not the point.I’m curious what the statistics are on Mac hardware repair performed by the user. My guess is that it is pretty low,
Which Apple restricts due to its practicesas these are premium products where users are more likely to ”take it somewhere” if there’s a problem.
If it is hard for Apple to repair or a third party then it is more costly for the consumer. Costs are always passed on.If the percentage is really low, why design your products for a scenario that doesn’t hold much value to the customer?
An issue in any field, but not a reason to restrict right to repair. Look at laws for car dealerships.There’s also an aspect of getting authorized/legitimate parts in a world of knock-off batteries, cables, adapters, etc. It starts making the case for authorized repair agents.
Irrelevant.And someone who builds their own PCs is probably never going to consider a Mac.
You don't have to design a machine that is hard to repair to have securitySecurity is certainly a factor as well, especially as we store more personal information on these devices. Thieves bypassing TouchID could get to a whole trove of info—from passwords to all your accounts to payment and personal info. I had my home cleaned out once, and it’s no fun trying to be a step ahead of the thief, especially when it takes days to realize what all you have lost. Not to mention that you don’t want your security measures serviceable by just anyone.
How so? Perhaps the SOC couldn’t be replaced, but such a failure is quite unlikely. If the parts that are prone to failure or damage can be replaced (display, keyboard, battery), then the score should still be the same as it is today. Besides, most laptops and tablets today have soldered CPUs, RAM, and often storage. An A12 MacBook wouldn’t be a departure here.You think it's hard to repair now, wait until they roll out A12 laptops and desktops. Probably get a zero score from ifixit.
You do realize Apple is currently selling MacPros released in 2013 as new in 2018 right? That is 5 years.I keep reading this about “paperweight” for a machine that’s 5-7yrs old.
What kind of performance do you expect a computer to have in 5-7yrs from now? Web technologies most likely will change, software component requirements not to mention security updates may no longer be available by Apple in this case for a machine that old.
Back in 2008 I purchased a Ti_Book (PowerBook titanium) G4 at 450Mhz with 1GB RAM and 50GB HDD as a primary machine to refresh my skills in OSX after 2yr a sense from that OS at that time. Safari could not be updated and it was VERY evident that surfing pages using Flash was a serious pain! Performance in loading the page was super slow like AOL 1997 painfully slow!! This was just web browsing; email worked yet again very slow 10Mb/speeds (I’m not sure it had 100mb/s connectivity).
I love that machine which was heavily damaged while moving. I’ll buy another in mint condition if I come across it again for nostalgic reasons but I’m NOT expecting anything more than email capability with it. I can’t even imagine back in 2002 what performance early FCP admins got out of it ... it’s unfathomable.
Of course software and web HTML5 technologies seems to be stabilizing and not jumping about as fast as early 2000’ but I have to ask you what kind of performance do you expect out of a 5-7yr old machine with what is unknown in that timeframe?
While nobody is faulting them for protecting the encryption aspects, including the "Top Case" which includes, keyboard, trackpad, SPEAKER, in the list of things you can't repair is ridiculous. How does replacing a speaker or trackpad have anything to do with protecting the encryption and user data?
Then why are you even here, in a community of people enthusiastic for such “evil and greedy” company? Please be offended and leave.
What kind of performance do you expect a computer to have in 5-7yrs from now? Web technologies most likely will change, software component requirements not to mention security updates may no longer be available by Apple in this case for a machine that old.
No 1 in the Apple Fan Resonse book: If you don't like it buy another brand.
Some people are also Apple Apologists.
What kind of performance do you expect a computer to have in 5-7yrs from now? Web technologies most likely will change, software component requirements not to mention security updates may no longer be available by Apple in this case for a machine that old.
I keep reading this about “paperweight” for a machine that’s 5-7yrs old.
Of course software and web HTML5 technologies seems to be stabilizing and not jumping about as fast as early 2000’ but I have to ask you what kind of performance do you expect out of a 5-7yr old machine with what is unknown in that timeframe?
Those needs are covered today by a €350 iPad. You can buy a new one each year and in 7 year’s time you’ll still have spent less than what you otherwise would have on a MBP. + the benefits of having the last gear instead of a 7-year-old computer. Get a cheap bluetooth keyboard for the longer documents you need to write and you are all set.The things that most people do with computers:
Web, games, email, spreadsheets
Juvenile, whining, give it a rest?Apple started moving to devices as appliances more than a decade ago. For instance, the first iPhone had no removable battery and no expandable storage. I believe a year later the MacBook Pro's batteries became sealed and in 2012 the RAM became soldered and the hard drive became incredibly difficult to remove. And so on and so forth.
Yet people continue to howl about a situation that dates back multiple US Presidential administrations and a decade worth of Super Bowl winners. It doesn't take an "apologist" to point out juvenile and worthless whining. Give it a rest or buy something else.
The Apple products you could tinker with went away a long time ago and they are not coming back.
Don’t care.Juvenile, whining, give it a rest?
Fall out of the wrong side of the bed this morning?
People are allowed to complain about valid things.
Who wants to buy a new computer when they upgrade a version of software that needs more memory.
You prove the point that you are an apple apologist quite nicely.
People kept complaining about slow upgrades, Apple did something about it and made iOS 12 faster for older devices.
Complaining where Apple can see it is the way to go. Doesn't matter if you don't like it.
I could stoop to your level and use words like juvenile, but I will resist the temptation and not chat to you again unless you are more civil.
I keep reading this about “paperweight” for a machine that’s 5-7yrs old.
What kind of performance do you expect a computer to have in 5-7yrs from now? Web technologies most likely will change, software component requirements not to mention security updates may no longer be available by Apple in this case for a machine that old.
Back in 2008 I purchased a Ti_Book (PowerBook titanium) G4 at 450Mhz with 1GB RAM and 50GB HDD as a primary machine to refresh my skills in OSX after 2yr a sense from that OS at that time. Safari could not be updated and it was VERY evident that surfing pages using Flash was a serious pain! Performance in loading the page was super slow like AOL 1997 painfully slow!! This was just web browsing; email worked yet again very slow 10Mb/speeds (I’m not sure it had 100mb/s connectivity).
I love that machine which was heavily damaged while moving. I’ll buy another in mint condition if I come across it again for nostalgic reasons but I’m NOT expecting anything more than email capability with it. I can’t even imagine back in 2002 what performance early FCP admins got out of it ... it’s unfathomable.
Of course software and web HTML5 technologies seems to be stabilizing and not jumping about as fast as early 2000’ but I have to ask you what kind of performance do you expect out of a 5-7yr old machine with what is unknown in that timeframe?
You really are blowing things up out of proportion. There's an Apple-certified course to become an accredited repairer. It costs $150.
I keep reading this about “paperweight” for a machine that’s 5-7yrs old.
What kind of performance do you expect a computer to have in 5-7yrs from now? Web technologies most likely will change, software component requirements not to mention security updates may no longer be available by Apple in this case for a machine that old.
Back in 2008 I purchased a Ti_Book (PowerBook titanium) G4 at 450Mhz with 1GB RAM and 50GB HDD as a primary machine to refresh my skills in OSX after 2yr a sense from that OS at that time. Safari could not be updated and it was VERY evident that surfing pages using Flash was a serious pain! Performance in loading the page was super slow like AOL 1997 painfully slow!! This was just web browsing; email worked yet again very slow 10Mb/speeds (I’m not sure it had 100mb/s connectivity).
I love that machine which was heavily damaged while moving. I’ll buy another in mint condition if I come across it again for nostalgic reasons but I’m NOT expecting anything more than email capability with it. I can’t even imagine back in 2002 what performance early FCP admins got out of it ... it’s unfathomable.
Of course software and web HTML5 technologies seems to be stabilizing and not jumping about as fast as early 2000’ but I have to ask you what kind of performance do you expect out of a 5-7yr old machine with what is unknown in that timeframe?
Well exactly the same performance it has now? Other software may change but if that machine can run program "X" now it should run it until the end of timeI keep reading this about “paperweight” for a machine that’s 5-7yrs old.
What kind of performance do you expect a computer to have in 5-7yrs from now? Web technologies most likely will change,
If in 2008 you purchased a used PowerPC G4, when the switch to Intel had already happened 2 years prior, well then that's your own stupidity for investing in an obsoleted CPU architecture.
Actually the performance deltas in the last few years has been pretty marginal. CPU makers have been focusing on efficiency rather than brute power. I have a 2009 15” Macbook pro and 2013 13” MBP and they are both functional and more than usable to this day.
Wouldn't matter if it were, Apple solders ram and SSD into almost all computers now a days
Well I for one, make a living on a 2009 ssd upgraded Imac, and Its doing just fine. In fact I see no reason to upgrade it yet.
Yet another "lovely" "benefit" of the T2 chip. In the name of "security", you only get to repair your machine on Apple's watch. Thereby making it a paperweight if anything goes wrong once it's deemed obsolete in 5-7 years. "But think of the security benefits!" People will seriously embrace all kinds of stupid in the name of security.
Incorrect.
Flash on the web was heavily used for a LOT of sites in 2008. Not so much today in 2018. The background code on sites is becoming increasingly HTML 5 back in 2008 HTML 4 was becoming heavily mainstream. JavaScript also heavily changed since then.
Email: web based was starting to become popular (yahoo and gmail), yet apps have heavily changed Outlook especially for POP3/IMAP (3/4) snd Exchange for push was heavily different form today using active sync. In fact back in 2008 activesync used sms for pull/push requests to be completed and failed in persona ce against BlackBerry and BES or BIS services. Don’t come at me with email not being changed if you’ve never supported personal and corporate email.
Games: heavily changed LOL. 8MB ram was the norm on laptops for GPU and up to 64MB. Today we’re getting 2GB of video RAM for GPU and we never had integrated GPU on CPU dies!! So what you talking bout Willis!??!
Spreadsheets have changed as well as the add-ins many people use in the corporate office. Heck even Googles Sheets now supports add-ins!! Come on man try a little harder please?!
What kind of performance do you expect a computer to have in 5-7yrs from now? Web technologies most likely will change, software component requirements not to mention security updates may no longer be available by Apple in this case for a machine that old.
Yet another "lovely" "benefit" of the T2 chip. In the name of "security", you only get to repair your machine on Apple's watch. Thereby making it a paperweight if anything goes wrong once it's deemed obsolete in 5-7 years. "But think of the security benefits!" People will seriously embrace all kinds of stupid in the name of security.