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Yet “they’ll still complain about Apple ?. I’m sure when pricing comes out you all will complain about that too.
Well, the day when Apple stops making false claims to be environmental friendly when they simply are not, and instead, actually becomes environmentally friendly. The day Apple stops telling a bunch of lies about why this or that or the other, when the real reason is to boost their humungous profits even higher. And so on. Basically, if and when Apple stop being a bunch of greedy, lying, hypocritical, ***holes, then we will stop complaining about Apple. But don't get us wrong, we aren't haters, we are all users of Apple products who are just constantly frustrated at knowing how truly great Apple could be if it didn't have so much of a corporate greed mentality. Imagine if Apple still lived by its now long abandoned "it just works", and if it took up Google's now long abandoned "do no evil". Imagine. How damn wonderful Apple could be.
 
Ifixit said they are reconsidering their position concerning RAM and SSD due to the M1s, the same way they don't see RAM and SSD upgrades in phones as necessary
I think the days of aftermarket RAM and internal storage upgrades are long gone. From a performance standpoint, I don’t think there is even a valid argument they should be taken off package again.
 
Well, the day when Apple stops making false claims to be environmental friendly when they simply are not, and instead, actually becomes environmentally friendly. The day Apple stops telling a bunch of lies about why this or that or the other, when the real reason is to boost their humungous profits even higher. And so on. Basically, if and when Apple stop being a bunch of greedy, lying, hypocritical, ***holes, then we will stop complaining about Apple. But don't get us wrong, we aren't haters, we are all users of Apple products who are just constantly frustrated at knowing how truly great Apple could be if it didn't have so much of a corporate greed mentality. Imagine if Apple still lived by its now long abandoned "it just works", and if it took up Google's now long abandoned "do no evil". Imagine. How damn wonderful Apple could be.

Yeah it always frustrates me when people assume complaints are being made for the sake of complaining, as if the content of the complaint is irrelevant.

Nothing I hate more than people that think criticizing a company (or indeed hating on it) is somehow an ungrateful or rude thing to do (???)
 
Lip service from iFixit, shouldn't be taken seriously under any circumstances because the fundamentals of the problem still remain.

Apple are still the King here and we are the peasants. We, the peasants, are complaining that we don't have the sort of power in this relationship that we're entitled to so when the King decides to hand you some bread and wine to try and appease you the last thing you should do is sit there and "give credit where credit is due" because ultimately the King still has the power and this gift is at his mercy. With this program Apple still hold all the power over how and when your device gets fixed even though the person fiddling with the screws is you and not someone sitting in a warehouse somewhere.

No celebrating from me until full blown R2R legislation has been etched in legal stone.
 
This could end up saving Apple money. If an Apple genius or similar break your device when repairing it, they owe you a comparable replacement device. Either under warranty or for a similar charge as to fix the initially diagnosed fault.

But, if you try to fix the device yourself and break it, Apple owe you nothing. Apple just get the money you paid for the parts.
 
Great for Apple. They get to sell repair parts twice to some folks. And the people that actually can make this work save a few bucks. Genius.
 
... iFixit points out that Apple's decision invalidates many of the arguments that it has been making against the Right to Repair movement for years because Apple is acknowledging that repairs can be done without harm to consumers or their devices. Apple has previously argued that customers could injure themselves by accidentally puncturing a battery during a device repair, which is apparently no longer a concern. "We're thrilled to see Apple admit what we've always known: Everyone's enough of a genius to fix an iPhone," reads iFixit's coverage of Apple's announcement. ...

Except that's a lie. Apple said no such thing. From their announcement:

"Self Service Repair is intended for individual technicians with the knowledge and experience to repair electronic devices. For the vast majority of customers, visiting a professional repair provider with certified technicians who use genuine Apple parts is the safest and most reliable way to get a repair."

Translation: "Not everybody can fix an iPhone. Most people shouldn't choose this path."

And they're right. You wanna do it? Knock yourself out. Not mentioned though: if you screw around and brick your iPhone, is Apple required to give you a new one? Hopefully not.
 
I wonder how this will work with warrantee & Apple Care. Will a repair void the warrentee? Will parts be covered by apple care? It would be cool if you could get genuine parts subsidized by apple care then have a good repair shop put everything in if you couldn’t do it yourself.
 
He does repairs vs component/module swaps. Apple doesn’t allow technicians to rework/repair logic boards. Apple’s tech’s simply swap them for a rebuilt/refurbished board. The bad board gets sent to China where children fix them. Rossman does board level work and rework (like the children in China do)

Another way to think of it, a car delete replaces an engine or transmission, a specialty tech actually REBUILDS that engine and transmission rather than swapping it out.

Still a step in the right direction for Apple.
The point being you shouldn’t rework those boards at all or do half the repairs he passes off as acceptable. The only exception is to get your data off it then dispose of it quickly.

These things aren’t cars. You don’t rebuild them. They are very carefully designed and simulated networks of transmission lines with picosecond jitter tolerances and careful impedance control. Even incorrectly thermal cycling a board while reworking can cause problems from data corruption to latent failures.

Just don’t go there. Swap it don’t fix it.

Source: few years of high speed digital and RF design.
 
Don't celebrate yet. Wait until the pricing for parts and tools comes out. I can hardly wait for the
screams to start.
We’ll always have iFixit, though I’d definitely prefer to buy a battery from Apple under their warranty though. Same with screens.
 
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That is exactly what this move is about. I think Apple played games for too long. The wheels are already in motion and I don't think Apple is going to like the outcome.
Yeah, that was my intitial thought, too, with all the things swirling around Apple right now.

Preemptive line of defense.
 
This could end up saving Apple money. If an Apple genius or similar break your device when repairing it, they owe you a comparable replacement device. Either under warranty or for a similar charge as to fix the initially diagnosed fault.

But, if you try to fix the device yourself and break it, Apple owe you nothing. Apple just get the money you paid for the parts.
Probably not a whole lot of money, but yes exactly why only the most competent folks should attempt to fix themselves.
 
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Apples website say that they’ll provide 200 parts and tools, so… 199 different screws and a spudger?

I’m being facetious, but even their little graphics shows a bunch of things like anti-static bracelets, mats, a little suction cup box for the phone and screwdrivers (an official pentolobe screwdriver would be nice!) so once you get all the paraphernalia out the way, I assume they’ll sell people replacement batteries and screens at 80-90% the price of an official Apple repair.

I’m not complaining at all but it’s doubtful we’ll be able to assemble an entire phone from the Apple spare parts portal ;)
 
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Yeah, I got a few too -- some people think they're Mr. FixIt... and maybe they are... but most folks are not, case in point: 15 Mac Genii, 250 customers per day ;)
Yup. I used to do self repairs/upgrades on my Mac's. I am reasonably competent. I'd never even try to do anything with an iPhone I wanted to keep using afterwards, the process is just too fragile for random person at home. I tried fixing a drifting analog stick on my Switch JoyCon (well out of warranty). The result was a dead JoyCon ?. I went in expecting this as a reasonable possible outcome so I wasn't upset, but the iPhone is way more complex. If people want to go for it, I guess ok for them, but I think a lot of at home repairs are going to result in borked iPhones. This is maybe good for indy repair shops who at least have the know how, but iFixits bizarre claim this means Apple is backtracking on these repairs being best left to the experts is just not going to hold up to scrutiny.
 
This could end up saving Apple money. If an Apple genius or similar break your device when repairing it, they owe you a comparable replacement device. Either under warranty or for a similar charge as to fix the initially diagnosed fault.

But, if you try to fix the device yourself and break it, Apple owe you nothing. Apple just get the money you paid for the parts.
Even better, many who mess up their street repairs will not admit it. Pride will get to them and they will buy new ones. Not sure why Apple did not do this sooner. My stock would even be higher.
 
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He’s a businessman selling second rate repairs for a high fee.

I always ask the question: would you get surgery done by a YouTube doctor who complains loudly about the competition being expensive and unfair?
I always love it when tim cook shows up in disguise to try to cast shade on a small independent repair guy who dares challenge the mighty Apple!
 
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Apple this morning surprised the world with an unexpected "Self Service Repair" program, which is designed to allow customers access to genuine Apple parts, tools, and manuals for making their own device repairs.


Giving customers this kind of unprecedented access to repair guidelines and hardware is a major win for Right to Repair advocates, and we're starting to hear from repair outlets pleased with Apple's decision.

Well-known device repair and teardown site iFixit says that its team is "excited" about the news, and hopeful that Apple will be providing customers with the same information that it gives to Apple Authorized Service Providers.

iFixit points out that Apple's decision invalidates many of the arguments that it has been making against the Right to Repair movement for years because Apple is acknowledging that repairs can be done without harm to consumers or their devices. Apple has previously argued that customers could injure themselves by accidentally puncturing a battery during a device repair, which is apparently no longer a concern. "We're thrilled to see Apple admit what we've always known: Everyone's enough of a genius to fix an iPhone," reads iFixit's coverage of Apple's announcement.

Kyle Wiens, iFixit founder and CEO, said on Twitter that Apple's decision marks a "total shift in perspective" and that there's hope that this is a step toward making devices last longer.


While this is a major step forward, iFixit points out that there are a number of unknowns and caveats. It's unlikely that Apple is going to allow customers to use parts that are sourced from somewhere other than the online store Apple is building, and the ready availability of official parts could see Apple further lock down iPhone components through serialization, restricting the use of third-party parts or parts salvaged from other iPhones.

Other repair advocates agree that Apple's move is a win for Right to Repair, but there's more to be done. iFixit says it will keep fighting for laws that will "keep Apple and other manufacturers honest," while the Right to Repair Coalition, which represents several repair shops and trade groups, said this is "far off" from the requirements of Right to Repair, but shows legislators are on the right track if Apple has been spooked into allowing for customer repairs.


Nathan Proctor, who heads up the Right to Repair campaign with the United States Public Interest Research Group, called Apple's move a "huge milestone" for Right to Repair, while repair advocate Kevin O'Reilly called it a "huge win," but said concrete reforms are still needed.


Apple's Self Service Repair program will launch in early 2022 in the United States, and it will start with Apple making repair components available to iPhone 12 and iPhone 13 owners. Apple plans to expand to additional countries throughout 2022, and will also work to support more repairs and more devices over time.

Article Link: iFixit Lauds Apple's New Self Service Repair Program, Calls It a 'Remarkable Concession'
I can see it now. Replace screen and it breaks upon install. Then what.
 
I always love it when tim cook shows up in disguise to try to cast shade on a small independent repair guy who dares challenge the mighty Apple!
I always love it when a YouTube "repair guy" shows up in disguise and makes things about Tim Cook.
 
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