I think the last iPhone with a score lower than 6 was an iPhone 4S or something old like that. It's pretty simple what they do. Can this be DIY fixed and how hard would it be? Where a product falls depends on the difficulty, not some perceived bias.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
iFixit Removes Galaxy Fold Teardown at Samsung's Request
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
You're both likely wrong. Apple did not have access to this tech years ago like Samsung did, but they also don't have to wait until Samsung makes it work first. There were multiple industry reports from a few months ago stating that Samsung started sending out samples to partners (including Apple) for research and testing. I'm sure Apple is playing with Samsung foldable screens in their labs - but that doesn't mean we will see anything from them for years, if ever.
There is also the possibility that Apple was able to source foldable OLED screens from a different company - although we haven't heard any rumours to support them. I still wouldn't count it out completely. LG might not have great production capabilities yet but their prototypes may have been sent to Apple years ago, for all we know.
Don't LG already have a form of roll-up TV? I suspect roll-up would be easier than bendable.
How do you know in what terms samsung offered the unit for another company to explore and test the unit? Samsung didnt offered it for ifixit in the first place.
Yes
Innovation is completely irrelevant to market viability, success, or even product quality.
those are metrics/bearings that are completely and utterly irrelevant to the discussion of innovation.
they matter if you want to have a succesful, profitable product. But not when discussion of what equates to innovation.
I guess this is what happens when they try to innovate instead of simply copying Apple's proven designs. Perhaps they should of waited a year and copied Huawei instead?
In all seriousness Apple is not Samsung's No.1 fear, it's Huawei. Nobody outside Apple knows if Apple is working on a foldable phone, but Huawei is ready to go to market with one. Huawei's phone lineup is forever improving, Samsung users are far more likely to consider a new Huawei phone than a new iPhone.
Incase you think Huawei are bashful in anyway about their upcoming release, they've confirmed they're shipping in June and news of postponing until September is 'Fake News.' Whist the CEO of Huawei didn't hold back at all stating the Galaxy Fold design was 'no good.'
Keep those mental gymnastics going inside your head if you really need everything to be about Samsung vs Apple. With two distinct ecosystems of Android and iOS, and both mature, Samsung is far more concerned about the companies growing within the Android ecosystem than iOS.
I’m neutral when it comes to the retard Samsung vs Apple war....
To be honest with you coming from a iPhone 7 to Note 8 to XS Max
I prefer Samsung and Android but I am in love with my Apple Watch which is why I’m still rocking iOS now... I highly prefer Android and it’s file system
All that being said... I’m still bored and not all that enthusiastic about smart phones anymore.... phones are at its peak on what they can do
Just curious how Apple used to innovate that they’re not doing now. Do you have some examples?
I am not sure, below is from the business dictionary about innovation. The key word that I see throughout is value. I don't see this product creating any sort of value for customers considering it breaks easily, does not do anything better than what we have today, and doesn't satisfy the needs or expectations of customers. It's just one example (definition), but I would say Samsung has invented a folding screen, but has not innovated on that invention to a point where they have created a valuable product. Just my opinion of course.
The process of translating an idea or invention into a good or service that creates value or for which customers will pay.
To be called an innovation, an idea must be replicable at an economical cost and must satisfy a specific need. Innovation involves deliberate application of information, imagination and initiative in deriving greater or different values from resources, and includes all processes by which new ideas are generated and converted into useful products. In business, innovation often results when ideas are applied by the company in order to further satisfy the needs and expectations of the customers.
Business textbooks are a different breed. You cannot read them as an example of real world definitions. They are more guidebooks for business operators in how to operate a business, and provide value.
So while a textbook above says thats' what business innovation is, and as a company leader, you should be aiming to do that, It doesn't supplant the actual definition for innovation.
innovation that doesn't sell is bad business. It's still innovation.
Also, Ivory tower thinking by taking a textbook description as face value has some issues, especially ue to the nature of textbooks often interjecting author's own opinion in place of global acceptance. Heck, a business textbook i read recently actually still claims consumers are rational beings who have no problem putting long term considerations into their purchasing... I'd like to meat that author and ask if he's actually met any consumer lately
Well for one.... I say the Wall Street side of things seems to be dictating how Apple goes about innovation nowadays compared to say 10 years ago
The problem is... across the product profilo with Mac, battery tech, and software being the exception
Tablet have reach the peak of their abilities, smartphones have reach the peak of abilities, eh... you could probably add some useful stuff to the watch but soon... the smartwatch will reach its peak on what it can do to make a human’s day to day life easier
Which is why I’m critical on Apple and every other tech company on innovation
Samsung May have screwed up on something different... but at least they are trying to something different...it’s better than marginal evolution on what we have now... it’s getting hella old
Success also doesn't mean perfect, success is subjective to the person using it, success also does not mean complete, a breakthrough would be considered a success. Now please put the dictionary back on the shelf.
Meanwhile, iFixit hasn't published a 27" iMac (non-Pro) teardown since the original 5K in 2014. Not sure what's going on over there, but it might be a good idea to rely on them less for teardown news.
yeah. and ifixit should have shown some stones and left it up. what's Samsung gonna do, sue them. i mean none of it is false so they can hardly claim some kind of defamation.
Business textbooks are a different breed. You cannot read them as an example of real world definitions. They are more guidebooks for business operators in how to operate a business, and provide value.
So while a textbook above says thats' what business innovation is, and as a company leader, you should be aiming to do that, It doesn't supplant the actual definition for innovation.
innovation that doesn't sell is bad business. It's still innovation.
Also, Ivory tower thinking by taking a textbook description as face value has some issues, especially ue to the nature of textbooks often interjecting author's own opinion in place of global acceptance. Heck, a business textbook i read recently actually still claims consumers are rational beings who have no problem putting long term considerations into their purchasing... I'd like to meat that author and ask if he's actually met any consumer lately
I get your ultimate point, but I just don't feel that slapping a folding screen (invention) into two smartphones joined with a hinge is innovation. If feels lazy, rushed, and doesn't provide any value.
It’s a start towards something greater
Meanwhile... I’m hoping Apple has something to actually show us other than marginal product evolution
Releasing absolute junk with about a one day MTBF into the marketplace is NOT innovating, it's failing.
Samsung is not a boutique design shop, it's the largest cell phone purveyor in the world. They get no free passes.
Umm what are you talking about "6 months continuous use...." it took 1-2 days worth of use..
That's possible, but they should have waited until the tech was ready and they actually had a product that added any value over what we have today. At the same time, it could be another gimmick that never materializes. Apple is definitely innovating, but it may not be at the pace you are looking for. If Apple had come out with the Galaxy Fold, a product with no value or use case that is better what we have today and the products started breaking after a couple days - you would be happy with that? I know I wouldn't. I want tangible, I want value, I don't want some crap thrown together to be first to market.
Reviewers experienced the symptoms. iFixIt revealed the cause.
Darth Tulhu
macrumors 68020
I remember seeing a documentary a few years back about how when Steve Jobs introduced a device (the iPhone, I think), the engineers were praying during the presentation that it didn't break, as it clearly wasn't ready for primetime.
While this is not the same, I feel that both scenarios highlight that at least there is some value in sparking the imagination first, and showing what's possible even if it doesn't work today.
I'm not apologizing for Samsung here, they f'ed up royally, but I feel their failure is not a reason to give up.
They need to fix this, not scrap it. It works...just not like it should.
Now, regarding Samsung's request for a takedown, I feel they are right to do so given the circumstances of iFixit receiving the device.
I know we're in an Apple-fan site, but let's not throw stones in glass cubes:
https://www.wired.com/2010/04/jon-stewart-calls-apple-appholes-over-lost-iphone-debacle/
While this is not the same, I feel that both scenarios highlight that at least there is some value in sparking the imagination first, and showing what's possible even if it doesn't work today.
I'm not apologizing for Samsung here, they f'ed up royally, but I feel their failure is not a reason to give up.
They need to fix this, not scrap it. It works...just not like it should.
Now, regarding Samsung's request for a takedown, I feel they are right to do so given the circumstances of iFixit receiving the device.
I know we're in an Apple-fan site, but let's not throw stones in glass cubes:
https://www.wired.com/2010/04/jon-stewart-calls-apple-appholes-over-lost-iphone-debacle/