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There's no reason why this level of repairability and expandability has to be reserved for machines costing $6000+. Why not the long wished for xMac?
 
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Mac mini with a PCIe slot is no longer mini. It would need a power supply 3-4 times larger, and it would have to dissipate 3-4 times as much heat. (Memory is already upgradable in the mini btw.)

I know the memory is upgradable, I was just reiterating that’s something that needs to stay. I’m only saying Mac mini because it’s the only other Mac desktop without a built in screen. A Mac mini replacement is a better term for what I’m talking about.
 
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There is a reason you can't swap out the SSD in any Mac with a T2 chip. Apple redesigned and intergrated the SSD controller into the T2 chip - so the SSD's Apple uses are without the embedded SSD Controller. That said, I hope that SOMEONE eventually comes out with a lower cost Apple compatible SSD; but there is a reason why you can't swap the SSD's out, and that reason is security.

That's a lousy reason to not be able to swap the SSD.

"Security" would mean that the SSD wouldn't be readable in any other computer because they don't have the encryption key that's in the T2 chip. This is perfectly okay.

However, it should be possible to install a new SSD and tell the system to format it and use it just as the one you took out, with the same or even a different encryption key. The fact that you can't "format" a new SSD is a huge flaw in my opinion. You shouldn't need Apple's help to swap storage.
 
I really think iFixit need to revaluate how they view repairability. Docking a point because of a critical security feature seems harsh, especially in light of their criticism of iCloud activation locks.

I agree Apple, and the rest of the industry, have a lot of improving to do, but some features of our tech needs to be intentionally locked down for the safety of our data/stuff.
I disagree. The drive should be user replaceable even if it requires the user to go through some sort of process to unlock and lock a drive in a restore mode setup. I see the current lock mechanism merely as a heavy hand to force us to buy the sad through Apple.
 
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So the machine gets a 9/10 from its fiercest critic, calling it a masterclass in repairability, and YOU decide to harp on this? Really?


I agree with the poster. It's 100% ridiculous that you can't swap the hard drive.
Considering SSD's reliability this should be the No 1 thing in a computer like this.
 
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I think the T2 thing is justified. Imagine someone stealing this device, especially if it's got added spec (which most will).

If it means the device is useless if stolen, then it's a small price to pay.
 
I disagree. The drive should be user replaceable even if it requires the user to go through some sort of process to unlock and lock a drive in a restore mode setup. I see the current lock mechanism merely as a heavy hand to force us to buy the sad through Apple.

Yeah, it would be trivial to add a dialog: "Unrecognized SSD module detected. This SSD module has not been used with this system and must be paired and formatted. This will erase any data on the SSD. Do you wish to proceed? (FORMAT) (CANCEL)"

It's not hard. This really smells like Apple wanting to stay in the loop in some way when it comes to users servicing the machine.
 
I think the T2 thing is justified. Imagine someone stealing this device, especially if it's got added spec (which most will).

If it means the device is useless if stolen, then it's a small price to pay.
This has nothing to do with the T2 being tied to a specific SSD, which seems to be what most people are complaining about. Macs have long had a fairly-robust anti-theft device (iCloud lock), even prior to the T2, but a thief can always part it out and sell the parts like CPU, GPU, RAM, etc. regardless. Only the default SSD is rendered useless.
 
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I think the T2 thing is justified. Imagine someone stealing this device, especially if it's got added spec (which most will).

If it means the device is useless if stolen, then it's a small price to pay.


They should use a physical key to do it. Something you can safe in a safety deposit box or somewhere safe or they could have used a YubiKey.
 
Ok, so they learnt lesson 1 of 2 (undo the steps taken in the unrepairability direction). Now they need to learn lesson 2 of 2 (undo the steps taken in the nonstandard graphics API direction, and go back to supporting industry graphics standards: they know how to do it, they did it great when Jobs was alive).
 
Perhaps this will put a stop to the Apple fans who denigrate iFixit whenever they issue a critical evaluation of Apple products. They simply call a spade a spade, regardless of its manufacturer. It would be nice if Apple would put out other products deserving of high praise like this.
 
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Imagine, a Mac Pro Book, a big ol' fatty laptop where you could swap in parts.

I wanted to negate your post, but I really can't. I was going to say 'well have fun traveling with that big fatty laptop on a plane and through TSA,' but for mobility you can buy the MacBook Air.

I have the 2018 MBP 15" and RARELY take it out of my house, just to travel. Sometimes I feel I should have purchased the iMac Pro instead of the MBP.
 
The market this is aimed at don’t “upgrade” machines. They buy them fully configured and replace them with a newer model when the old one no longer suits their needs. Compared to other pro machines in that market, the Mac Pro is a bargain..... the prices are insanely higher than the MP.
Well, perhaps that is true for some folks, but if I was to consider purchasing a machine like this I'd want to purchase a relatively minimally configured machine for a less-than-astronomical price, then gradually upgrade it over time. I'm curious as to what "pro" machines are out there which make the Mac Pro pricing a bargain.
 
Anyone else hoping for a Mac Pro Mini? Something this modular but with a price tag we can swallow.

This Mac Pro shouldn't have been called Mac Pro to begin with – these workstations are radically different to previous Mac Pros and should have been named accordingly.

All the elitists and snobs here will tell you "It's not for you lol". And they are right, this workstation is not for me. I'm not a VFX studio that creates high-end renders for Hollywood movies.
But I still am a professional who would have wanted something more customizable than an iMac. Previous Mac Pros offered just that and cost half for the base configuration.

So yeah, a Mac Pro mini – if they want to call it that – is something I'm hoping for.
 
MP are upgradable, so you could still have a very solid performance down the road.
the iMacs are a very good buy but in 7 years I doubt you can get a solid performance.
i am just saying people need to give up on a mini tower at cheap price. I really don’t see Apple moving into that direction.
Well they haven’t made it in the last 15 years, maybe they’ll start 15 years from now :)
 
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I'm not sure we've heard the final on this from Apple. No doubt the replaceable SSD question is more pertinent to this machine than any other they make and sell. For that reason, I think we could see Apple providing an enhanced way to deal with the T2 lock that we've yet to see.
 
There is nothing stopping you from adding a PCIe based nvme drive. Same speed as internal but not tied to the T2 chip. For once there’s plenty of spare PCIe slots. Or use the internal SATA port and a bracket and put a massive cheap slow spinning HDD in there.
I very much wonder if you can boot off a PCIe drive. If I knew that worked well, it would have changed my config (4 TB).
 
I would love to add a machine that is in between MP and the mini (and NOT an iMac) to my home lab.

Actually, I'd love to see a MP mini AND a new redesigned iMac. The current design may be a classic but it's archaic, especially if you see the XDR display next to it.
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So Apple can design a beautiful machine that is easily repairable in 2019?

I'm also surprised ;)
 
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