If Samsung are able to fix it then it could be a different story. There have been a lot of positive reviews despite the issues.
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iFixit Teardown of Samsung Galaxy Fold Reveals Likely Design Flaw
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Booooom. TKO
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And yet the XR is currently the most popular phone in the US. You worry about bezels and rabbit ears whereas the bulk of the users worry about the overall experience of owning an Apple product.
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Six years of development to release this product isn't going to get fixed in a couple of months. Or should I say it may, but it will be a band aid, ready to ripped off again with a little real world use.
Because it's a halo product meant to create an impression that Samsung is now the leader in smartphone innovation. Selling enough units to make money from it probably isn't a major concern. They just needed to be first and make a splash by doing so.
Unfortunately, belly flopping wasn't the kind of splash they had in mind.
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I just looked at the iFixit page, no headphone jack. Sigh. 
Oh and a ton of cameras - good move but I guess they had room.
Display needs a complete redesign I think. I do think they did something bold and this concept may have some traction in the future. Not for me but maybe for others? I still think some may like this.
Oh and a ton of cameras - good move but I guess they had room.
Display needs a complete redesign I think. I do think they did something bold and this concept may have some traction in the future. Not for me but maybe for others? I still think some may like this.
Read up on Korean culture (e.g. Korean Air incidences) and you know why no one spoke upI think this is indicative of a bigger problem than most people realise, or at least, care to admit.
https://daringfireball.net/2019/04/know_when_to_fold_em
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Where have we seen that before, aha, the apple butterfly keys...what samsung need now is to borrow apples fix and put a membrane across the gap to stop things getting in, or better still wait until apple gets a fix to their fix to the dust issue and then use that solution.
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Butterfly keyboard, antenna gate, bend gate...? most companies will make a mistake at some point in time.
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only this one - likely because others are still awaiting a screen / display technology which can actually be bend without taking damage..
When did Xr become he most popular phone in the US? Last I heard shareholders are suing Apple for hiding lackluster iPhone X sales numbers. Did I miss something?
But that is not my point, my point was Samsung managed to do something Apple wasn't able to do, at a good price point,they deserve some kudos for that just like they deserve to be criticized for the stupid fold phone
They fully presented it and how it would work and realised after the fact that it wasn't possible. Yes, it is embarrassing, but I doubt they have a warehouse of Airpower devices, unlike Samsung, who must have thousands of these phones ready to ship with all of the clearly faulty design quirks.
I think I am seeing reality pretty clearly, thanks.
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Where have we seen that before, aha, the apple butterfly keys...what samsung need now is to borrow apples fix and put a membrane across the gap to stop things getting in, or better still wait until apple gets a fix to their fix to the dust issue and then use that solution.
Apples mistakes really don't justify those of Samsung, in fact, you would think they might have actually learnt something from them.
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More like when, not if.
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You can keep your 'innovative' folding phones and the lumpy, fragile, easily dented plastic screens they rode in on. Hows that for spin from an Apple fan?
Hmm, the entire phone industry is abuzz with excitement regarding the "folding phone trend".
If anyone isn't excited about it then they are simply a non-Apple hater?
Regardless of how I personally feel for a product (I also was excited by, and still have and use the original iPad), there will always be some people out there who refuse to see the potential of a device, for whatever reason. I saw it with the iPod, the iPhone (Ballmer's famous laugh), and the iPad ("just a big iPod Touch").
It's simply interesting to see it happen now from the other side of the Apple fence.
I think there is a difference between applauding new choices, and being so eager for something new to the smartphone market that we voluntarily blind ourselves to the obvious flaws and the reality of the situation.
Which is basically what every YouTuber reviewing the Galaxy Fold was basically doing right down to the moment when Samsung cancelled sales of said product.
I stand by everything I said before about the Galaxy Fold being a flawed concept right from the very start. I believe that folding screens belong more on wearables than on smartphones, ironically enough.
So true. Yes, it is an issue but it's almost like they think it cancels out Samsungs design flaws. (Written from my Butterfly Keyboard. Still going strong after over a year!)
Are you typing that on a £2k+ 2017 Macbook Pro Keyboard because mine is shocking !?
For the record, and from someone who is excited by the idea of folding phones/tablets/phablets and believes it should be vigorously pursued, I agree wholeheartedly with the assertion that both Samsung's Galaxy Fold is a disaster and that failures with Apple keyboards are NOT relevant to the discussion of Sammy's product.
Didn’t Samsung identify their issue with obedience to hierarchy as one of the reasons why the Galaxy Note 7 had to be recalled and vow to fix it? Or am I thinking of something else with another Asian company?
Well, for starters, I agree with almost everything you said. Apple has had its fair share of products – in fact, most of their lineup – that weren't exactly the first in their respective categories, but they were either extremely perfected from the get-go (the iPod, the AirPods and even the HomePod with it's incomplete software at launch), or revolutionary enough to keep people interested in them (the iPhone, the Apple Watch…).
These last two are a typical case of deeply-flawed, yet delightful first-gen Apple products; people seem to forget the iPhone 2G's software didn't even feature an App Store or (*gasp*) copy and paste, and Apple was heavily chastised for those ommissions. As for the Apple Watch, retroactively called Series 0, I should know about its shortcomings because I own one. I love it to bits for the convenience it provides as an actual watch, notification relay thingy and occasional timer, but third-party apps feel like utter crap, and the battery life only suits me because I've been on a lazy streak ever since I bought it; I recently put it through its paces during a ski trip, and every single day the poor thing had to be recharged back at the hotel if I still wanted to use it during the evening.
But, you see, other companies also produced crappy firsts, for years on end. Microsoft and its abominable Windows Mobile (not Windows Phone, that was actually a nice system, which I'd have very much preferred to see as a standard instead of Android) comes to mind, but one thing those devices didn't do was spontaneously combust or break after a week. Samsung didn't use to be like this, either, and they had already started experimenting with a lot of technologies a few years prior (in fact, many of the technical innovations Apple makes use of at the component level, especially the screens, do come from Samsung). So, something definitely changed inside of that company, mostly because of Apple and other competitors; they really lost their shame and let themselves go on QA.
One thing did similarly change inside of Apple: they became more cavalier when it comes to pre-announcements. It did start with the iPhone, during Steve's tenure, and the same happening with the Apple Watch was also understandable, as there was no Osborne Effect to be had with either launch; but the others were really a case of Apple having waited out (or dragged on with their R&D) a bit too long, then pre-announcing stuff also way too early, and feeling the need to grab their market's attention and do some “Osborning” to their competitors' products. It did feel a little desperate and ”me-too” (in its old, pre-#metoo meaning), and not just “look at these perfected products we came up with”.
The AirPower fiasco is probably the most telling example of that (Apple was super late to the wireless charging game, to the point they released a Qi-compliant phone without the first-party charger to go with it; it's patently ridiculous), but it also revealed another worrying trend (albeit one with a relatively minor impact, as you'll soon see): they are also getting more cavalier with their innovation on secondary product lines. The only product line Apple absolutely can't fail at is the iPhone; whether you like it or not, they are the “iPhone company”, and if they have one misstep, they're doomed (the fact that they don't do like other companies and launch a metric ton of different models each year – and no, three new phones is not much – also raises the stakes much higher). But when it comes to accessories and the Mac, they don't really give a damn. I can picture this conversation going somewhere at Apple Park: “AirPower's reliability is unknown at this time? Screw it, it's just an accessory and it's cool so let's pre-announce it”. And maybe if Steve was still around, but definitely if the iPhone didn't even exist, you can bet those stupid butterfly keyboards would've been scrapped already.
The thing is: Apple is now so huge that a multi-million fiasco can feel like peanuts to them, and people will similarly either overlook it, or put up with it for a few years (I do believe they'll eventually fix the keyboard-gate, the flex-gate, etc). Back during Steve's days, not that long after the company had been on the brink of bankruptcy, any fiasco like that would've severely damaged the company's reputation. To this day, the “beleaguered” spectre still prevails, albeit in a bit of a dissimulated fashion. Apple has always been a quirky company, and some people had wanted it to fail from its very inception, but the dark ages of the '90s provided them with the perfect fodder to peddle the “beleaguered” narrative and it sort of became a meme that was heavily circulated until a bit after Steve's passing. I predict it will take another decade until people and reporters get completely used to Apple being a successful company and stop predicting its demise at every juncture, much like they don't with the likes of Google, Microsoft, Samsung et al.
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That's a real shame, I like the idea of a folding device. It's been suggested that Samsung's rush to market and it appears subsequent lack of real world testing may in part be due to a Chinese rival allegedly obtaining Samsung's folding OLED technology. Samsung therefore rushed it to market as they wanted to be the first to release a folding device given the time they've invested in designing it.
It does seem like a pretty glaring design flaw allowing debris into such fragile technology.
It does seem like a pretty glaring design flaw allowing debris into such fragile technology.
Yes, but mine is actually fine. I’ve got an air duster and give it a blast every now and then... Though, I’ve always done that with keyboards because I don’t like the idea of it being filthy.
For me the funny thing is that Apple's "doom" already happened, just "not with a bang, but with a whimper".
Tim's Apple is not Steve's Apple.
I've slowly seen this company make decisions regarding their products that are in direct contravention to what attracted me to them in the first place:
Every version of iOS starting with 7
Yosemite
Killing off XServe
Killing off the 17-inch MBP
Killing off the cMBPs altogether (the last upgradeable Macs)
The first Retina MBPs (where they started soldering RAM to the logic board and making storage not upradeable, even if it was a removeable module)
The 2013 Mac Pro
The loss of the headphone jack
The continued use of Lightning (when USB-C is common)
Glue
USB-C only on ALL portables
Soldered SSDs
The TouchBar not being an optional thing over the row of tactile keys on higher MBPs
The single-port MacBook
Killing off MagSafe
Killing off the glowing logo (it was ALWAYS unecessary, but cool) on portables
The Notch
The PRICES (of RAM and Storage upgrades in particular)
and of course:
The maligned (or beloved, depending on your opinion) keyboards
Apple has transformed into an iOS-centric company, for better or worse. The Post-PC era is Tim Apple's era.
Thus, I've been called an Apple hater in these forums repeatedly, and after compiling the list above I realize they're right, although not in the irrational way they imply. The above ARE my reasons.
I LOVE Steve's Apple, and the products I still own are from that era. I'm a dinosaur.
But I realize that right now, today, Tim's Apple offers no device I'm willing to buy (at least not without having to put up with something I don't like) despite Apple having great tech: MacOS, Continuity, A-series chips, iPad Pro hardware, Mac mini, iOS's smoothness, the unmatched trackpads & multitouch support.
Yet, that doesn't mean I hope for (or expect) Apple's doom as a company.
It just means that I, me, have to accept that the reality that the Apple I loved may be gone, regardless of how much I hope for change to come.
But that's the thing about hope. It dies HARD. So here I am, along with a few other "haters":
This sounds insurmountable!
Cancel technology! Notches and 5400RPM drives for all!
Apple can go back to sleep for the next 3 to 4 years...
Cancel technology! Notches and 5400RPM drives for all!
Apple can go back to sleep for the next 3 to 4 years...