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Most people are not engineers so wont touch the innards. People want reliability so the 95% are those who matter.

You don't have to be an engineer to change SSD or Ram but if you're lazy then have someone else do it.
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It was the Nexus Of Somnus :) all I know is the day of upgradable Apple notebooks is over.. this will not go well for Apple. The Mac Pro will flop why ? Because it’s out of reach for most of us, and 999 for the monitor stand ?? This is so stupid. Because the 2019 MacBook Pro 16 inch does not allow upgrades only at time of purchase, it too is a dead end - I stand correct on all accounts.
I don't think we're ever going to be in a place where we can do more than upgrade the RAM.

And that is the next to go on the iMac---you know know they will rev the next iMac with a T2 and new cooling, so RAM will probably be upgradeable, but not user accessible (i.e., go to Apple and upgrade).

The upgradeability issue personally doesn't bother me, although I understand it is a huge deal for some.
 
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Well servers go in racks in computer rooms. Laptop get bounced around in every day life. Stuff falls out when it gets dropped on the floor.
Rubbish. If you're dropping your computer hard enough for that to happen, you're going to do A LOT more damage than having some RAM jiggle loose.

Soldering = 99% FU profit; 1% performance gain; 0% nod to consumers
 
Repair programs do not help those who are outside of territories that have repair programs. If my MacBook. goes bad, I'd have to be without it for at least two months if that, assuming that they will honor the repair. Not to mention the cost of sending it back to mainland US in my case.

If it is easily user repairable, those 2 months of downtime are literally hours.

Also, I could buy whatever configuration I would like now and then upgrade down the line if I wanted or needed to. I could actually use the computer that would be adequate for my needs for longer amounts of time. One would think that a company that claims to be so advanced on the ecological forefront would be all in favor of having less technological waste, would it not?



That's some good Koolaid



And also moves Apple out of the business of making computers and more into the business of making appliances. When's the last time you upgraded a component on your fridge?
"And also moves Apple out of the business of making computers and more into the business of making appliances. When's the last time you upgraded a component on your fridge?"

Or a car. I have a late model Jaguar. I can't change the oil myself or do basically anything.

That is the way of the world in 2019 for much of our technology.

Gnashing your teeth isn't going to make it any better or fix the problem, if it is a problem for you (and it clearly is).

I sympathize with your situation, but if you live in Hawaii or Alaska, it's not only computer repairs that are an issue---many products won't ship there or deals are not available. Not trying to be a Richard, but how is where you live Apple's problem? Β―\_(ツ)_/Β―
 
Repair programs do not help those who are outside of territories that have repair programs. If my MacBook. goes bad, I'd have to be without it for at least two months if that, assuming that they will honor the repair. Not to mention the cost of sending it back to mainland US in my case.

If it is easily user repairable, those 2 months of downtime are literally hours.

Also, I could buy whatever configuration I would like now and then upgrade down the line if I wanted or needed to. I could actually use the computer that would be adequate for my needs for longer amounts of time. One would think that a company that claims to be so advanced on the ecological forefront would be all in favor of having less technological waste, would it not?
I understand your point. And, I totally agree that Apple would likely do a much more business were they to create systems with user-replaceable parts so we could upgrade later. Perhaps Apple needs to lose a lot of business so they can learn that the quest for slim/thin is not actually a good thing if it means soldering everything to the logic board. Perhaps we may see some change now that Jony is gone.

My point was that saying things like "it's trash" or "Apple are idiots" is nothing more than superfluous hyperbole.
 
I don't think we're ever going to be in a place where we can do more than update the RAM.

And that is the next to go on the iMac---you know know they will rev the next iMac with a T2 and new cooling, so RAM will probably be upgradeable, but not user accessible (i.e., go to Apple and upgrade).

The upgradeability issue personally doesn't bother me, although I understand it is a huge deal for some.


Bye bye Apple........
 
we will see how the new Mac Pro sells
The Mac Pro sales will be a footnote of a footnote. Of all Mac sales in a quarter, they will be a tiny sliver of an amount. No one should be mistaken that Mac Pro means a focus back on the Mac. No, it isn’t for growing sales, there will be no ”halo effect”. It’s JUST for providing a solution to those that need it to run Apple’s apps at a higher level... provided they have the money to pay for it.

it’s sad and a disgrace that Apple no longer cares..
It was the same with the Apple II. The Mac couldn’t do what the Apple II could, had ZERO slots and couldn't connect to Apple II peripherals. But we know how that story went. In the future, folks will bemoan that Apple is not paying attention to iOS anymore because whatever the next thing will be will be getting all the attention.
 
One cautious comment on the point the video made regarding water ingress:

Obviously this will void your warranty (and do this at your own risk etc etc): If you get water/wine/etc ingress into the body of a laptop like this (and you can't get warranty for it, and it's not serviceable - like a MacBook Pro), you could, after drying, disperse the moisture and ingress with lanolin spray which is suitable for electronic devices. It works but you have to protect the screen extremely well during the process as lanolin spreads everywhere and the screen relies on remaining dry for its optics. This treatment works and delays corrosion, and as there are few moving parts (apart from fans, which I guess are brushless), no unsoldered joints, etc, it's probably safe to do this. It will also make the keys nearly silent.
 
It was the same with the Apple II. The Mac couldn’t do what the Apple II could, had ZERO slots and couldn't connect to Apple II peripherals. But we know how that story went. In the future, folks will bemoan that Apple is not paying attention to iOS anymore because whatever the next thing will be will be getting all the attention.

I remember being annoyed that they didn't include the schematics in the reference manual like they did with the ][+, and also having to scour the world (pre-internet) to find a long torx driver so I could open the Mac case to get inside.

I wish that the RAM and SSD were upgradable, mostly so I could use aftermarket options to reduce the cost, and allow future upgrades.

The same thing is true on the ports. I hate the dongles, but see that within a couple of years, all my peripherals except the monitors will have turned over and be native USB-C/TB3.

I wish they'd ditch the touchbar and give us real keys again. It's a gimmick and the lack of tactile feedback means it's expensive from a UI perspective.

In the end, those things aren't going to change. We can gripe about it, and maybe they'll listen, but until it changes, it's a choice to either use a mac or not. I'm not going back to Windows, so yep, I suck it up and make the best choices I can given my budget - and part of that is absolutely AppleCare.
 
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Self-serving: having concern for one's own welfare and interests before those of others.

Seems to me that most who wants to repair the products themselves are putting their own interest before Apple employees, shareholders and some customers.

Well, if you put it that way... Of course, then those who to choose stick to their older machine because of this, or who switch to another brand, are also self-serving. As are those who never buy Apple at all, actually, as they deny some profit to Apple employees and shareholders. But wait - those who do buy Apple, do they have proper concern for the interests of Samsung, Lenovo, Google, etc.? Hmm. And this applies not just to electronics: If people choose to buy Toyota rather than Ford, Pepsi instead of Coke etc., one could arguably always construe this as people putting their own interest before that of company X.

No, asking for Apple's products to be easier to repair is not self-serving. That would be a perversion of the term and render it meaningless. There is a wide range of healthy balancing of interests between actual self-serving behaviour on one side (like demanding Apple to produce at a loss) and slavishly submitting to yet another profit maximization as the other extreme. Apple would still make plenty of money if their devices were easier to repair.
 
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Repair programs do not help those who are outside of territories that have repair programs. If my MacBook. goes bad, I'd have to be without it for at least two months if that, assuming that they will honor the repair. Not to mention the cost of sending it back to mainland US in my case.

If it is easily user repairable, those 2 months of downtime are literally hours.

Also, I could buy whatever configuration I would like now and then upgrade down the line if I wanted or needed to. I could actually use the computer that would be adequate for my needs for longer amounts of time. One would think that a company that claims to be so advanced on the ecological forefront would be all in favor of having less technological waste, would it not?



That's some good Koolaid



And also moves Apple out of the business of making computers and more into the business of making appliances. When's the last time you upgraded a component on your fridge?
Don’t buy a Mac if you don’t live in an officially supported country. Problem solved.
It is not an user repairable device.
 
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All Apple Macbooks prior 2014 had removable RAM. I NEVER had a single problem and heard of a person to have a problem with removable RAM slots. So Maybe your PhD is Flawed...

I had a slot go bad on my Mac Mini 1,1 and the PowerBook 6,7 was notorious for a failing RAM slot. It does happen. Having said that, the problem was more electrical than mechanical on both.

My issue with soldered components is that, in my experience, I have had more RAM sticks and SSDs fail than their sockets on any PC/Apple computer I have ever owned. Previously, you would just sigh, open the computer up and remove/replace the offending part. Now, if either the SSD or RAM malfunctions in any way, the whole logic board is toast.

What was a 5 minute repair is now a trip to the Apple store and possibly a 2 week wait for a repair or replace if you have a CTO unit. If you are unlucky and your malfunction happens out of warranty, then the computer you hoped would last 5-6 years is going to landfill. Rejoice.
 
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If they let you swap RAM and SSD then there is no point in offering $400 dollars upgrade from 16gb to 32gb RAM and another $400 from 1Tb to 2TB :)
Technically, they could still charge it if it was easy upgrade. Logic board could have a T2 like authentication that would require specific RAM modules with a chip on them, separate from the memory chips, that would "sync" with the logic board's chip.

I've read this was done in the distant past with some extinct PC OEMs and their prebuilts, but I've never had luck finding reliable data on that claim. In theory, Apple could do it. Would they? Probably not.
 
I guess this depends a lot on the specifics of the job and place, but still I am not sure that parts upgrades on laptops are such a common thing for professional users. Rather, when computers are bought for business, then it is common in taxation law that their cost can be tax deducted over X years - so that is how long they will have to last, and lasting even longer is irrelevant. E.g. in my country X=3, so at my workplace (research institute) we get new machines every 3 years, and the old ones are dumped or handed to interns or whatever.

Don't get me wrong, on my private computers I value longevity and upgradability very much, and generally I am clearly for modular computers. I just think in the professional area the benefit of modularity is easier repairs rather than long-term upgrades. And many businesses will probably not even care about the repairs, they have some service contract and get a new machine if something breaks. In fact, the only problem I could see for totally soldered computers at my workplace is the fact that we are not to hand out hard drives/SSDs, and I'm not sure whether our disk shredder can take whole laptops. :D

You could ague people in business would be more likely to replace components as they can afford them, (given the facts their computer can be upgraded) over personal users with limited money.
 
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Soldered ssd/ram Apple purchaser....
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If you listen closely, and you know what to look for, you can see how much bias is present in that video.

One example, the man describes the butterfly keyboard as:

"it's garbage"

This is an opinion, his opinion. I have a MacBook Air 2019, my first ever MacBook Air, and I quite like the keyboard. So, it is clear that a derogatory opinion should not have been allowed in the video because it isn't actually fact and that bias has the potential to inaccurately shape the overall video. Of course, that's my opinion.. but I'm not making a video meant to be viewed by the masses.

Being that bias is present in this section of the video, what guarantee do I have that the same bias isn't present in the rest of the video? (don't answer that.. it's rhetorical)

If you don't like something then don't buy it. But, don't go around saying "it's crap".. someone else may find it valuable. One man's trash is another man's treasure.
Anyone that’s had a faulty butterfly keyboard will tell you it’s garbage. Apple themselves realized its garbage that’s why they went back on it with the 16 inch
 
Anyone that’s had a faulty butterfly keyboard will tell you it’s garbage. Apple themselves realized its garbage that’s why they went back on it with the 16 inch
You completely missed the point of my post.. setting a good example and speaking fact instead of disdain. But, that's ok.. not everyone can understand everything.
 
Apple know the few moving or movable parts in a device the fewer points of failure. This makes the device more dependable, meaning it requires less repairs which is the opposite of what drives ifixit
Ssd nand has a higher failure rate due to write cycle than pins on the actual ssd or ram going bad first, meaning it require more expensive repair down the road and less sustainability overall
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You completely missed the point of my post.. setting a good example and speaking fact instead of disdain. But, that's ok.. not everyone can understand everything.
I didn’t miss it, just don’t feel the need to address it since it’s ur β€œopinion”
You completely miss the point of the video review, that’s ok.. not everyone can understand everything.
 
Socketed parts fall out of their sockets. Socketed parts have more points of failure.

It's funny, my SSD and RAM literally never fell out of my 2011 17" MacBook Pro nor battery, screen, or other sensors on any of my iPhones, but just in case, socketed parts can also be put back into sockets.

Socketed parts can also be replaced when failing, upgraded to keep you from buying a new computer unnecessarily early and creating more e-waste.
 
Because socketed parts fall out. Historically a large percentage of support calls for mobile devices involved parts that have come loose.
On my second or third-gen iPod, the power supply cable was connected via a plug to the battery. That plug could come loose after a while. You could pry open the iPod with a knife and replug it but the issue would reappear not too long after. I ended up applying a little bit of glue and that solution fixed the issue for at least several years.
 
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2016 an unrepairable laptop computer something go's wrong with this after 3 years if you get apple care only mind you your toast. The cost of repair at Apple usually leads to the genius guy tell you "Cheap to Buy New".
 
2016 an unrepairable laptop computer something go's wrong with this after 3 years if you get apple care only mind you your toast. The cost of repair at Apple usually leads to the genius guy tell you "Cheap to Buy New".

I’m sorry, what?
 
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