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Honestly tempted to sell my old desktop to put the funds towards one next year. The 3.5mm port still serves as an optical right if you get a SPDIF converter? Needs to be able to support a DAC which in turns goes to the AMP for a HD 800S
 
There was one model of MBPs where one of the RAM slots was basically guaranteed to go bad. Once it did, the RAM in that slot wasn’t recognized. This issue hasn’t happened again since Apple switched to soldering RAM directly time the logic board.

I’m going to guess the real reason Apple did it was to reduce laptop thickness, but there are reliability improvements to be had, as well as possible new problems (can’t replace parts that fail as easily as machines with slotted parts).

Honest question, do you actually believe the loss of upgradeability is well justified with that?
 
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How would the "right to repair bill" make it any easier. Wouldn't it just make Apple have provide the repair parts for sale? I'm honestly asking.

I don't think a bill should be allowed to force a manufature on how to make a product. Apple could weld the enclosure shut if they wanted to, and still repair parts and a Dremal tool.


I agree. Those who don't like Apple's laptop repairability have loads of options. They should simply vote with their wallet and reward a company who manufacturers a laptop that meets their requirements. Godspeed and courage to those willing to stand up.
 
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Sure there are. Reliability, performance, security, among others.

Computers are not more reliable because they are soldered, neither they perform better.
It is a complete scam by Apple to:
1- Overcharge for obscene Apple RAM and SSD prices.
2- Create more expensive repairs, if they can actually be repaired...
3- Creates actually more trash.
4- Most importantly, if anything happens, you will LOSE all your data.(and please do not start with Back up bla bla,,,). While before regardless if the logic board dies,you could remove the hard drive and back up your data.

I can keep going, but sometimes it does not make much sense to try to show something to a blind person...

Maybe you should look at these videos to learn about all the serious design failures Apple is purposely doing.
(8min)

 
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How would the "right to repair bill" make it any easier. Wouldn't it just make Apple have provide the repair parts for sale? I'm honestly asking.

I don't think a bill should be allowed to force a manufature on how to make a product. Apple could weld the enclosure shut if they wanted to, and still sale repair parts and a Dremal tool.
 
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This is why i buy Applecare, because if the unit goes bust over 3 years i get it fixed or repaired at little or no cost. Or Apple just replaces the computer. Most people do not know how to do the simplistic things on how to upgrade a computer without damaging some other component. These are not desktop computers where you have a larger tolerance for installing things. Do we do self upgrae our iPhone or do we buy a new iphone every 5 years or less. Or I get two incidents of damage. People cry about how they want a thinner lighter laptop but they want to have memory card slots or SSD memory slots now you laptop gets fatter and if you drop it their is a chance that it will come out of the socket.

I upgrade every 5 years and over half of the life is covered under Applecare. Spend the Money for what you want right away and live with it for 5 years and then trade in or sell the old model and put the money into the new machine.

Or by a Mac Pro were you can upgrade to your heart content.
 
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Computers are not more reliable because they are soldered, neither they perform better.
It is a complete scam by Apple to:
1- Overcharge for obscene Apple RAM and SSD prices.
2- Create more expensive repairs, if they can actually be repaired...
3- If something goes bad, you are at more risk of losing your entire data (regardless the backups).
4- Creates actually more trash.
I can keep going, but sometimes it does not make much sense to try to show something to a blind person...
So what are you doing in this forum?
You are free to buy non-Apple products.
Buy whatever you like and be happy with it.
 
So what are you doing in this forum?
You are free to buy non-Apple products.
Buy whatever you like and be happy with it.

I am still an Apple user (i do not know how much longer...) that is trying to inform other people of the bad products Apple is actually releasing. And it is because users continue to buy the bad products they are releasing that they do not care to design better products.
It is great that they are finally and acknowledging the problems and fixing some of them. But truly, is beyond understanding how after 3 years of flowed design, people gets excited with this poor release.
 
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Hm, would they really make the 14" thicker in the same manner they made the 16" thicker relative to 15"?
 
Computers are not more reliable because they are soldered, neither they perform better.
It is a complete scam by Apple to:
1- Overcharge for obscene Apple RAM and SSD prices.
2- Create more expensive repairs, if they can actually be repaired...
3- Creates actually more trash.
4- Most importantly, if anything happens, you will LOSE all your data.(and please do not start with Back up bla bla,,,). While before regardless if the logic board dies,you could remove the hard drive and back up your data.

I can keep going, but sometimes it does not make much sense to try to show something to a blind person...
To be honest, first gen retina macbook pro did have a performance increase due to soldered RAM.

Not that it's significant or that it outweighs the obvious drawbacks, just pointing out the technicality of it.

I absolutely understand why they wanted to get rid of the 2.5" format and it really doesn't make sense in context of SSDs.

However, there's absolutely space there for a NVMe drive.
(Don't know how that would play with T2 encryption)
 
To be honest, first gen retina macbook pro did have a performance increase due to soldered RAM.

Not that it's significant or that it outweighs the obvious drawbacks, just pointing out the technicality of it.

I absolutely understand why they wanted to get rid of the 2.5" format and it really doesn't make sense in context of SSDs.

However, there's absolutely space there for a NVMe drive.
(Don't know how that would play with T2 encryption)

With the minimal difference I rather have a removable RAM.
Also, I rather have a removable SSD than be exposed to lose all my data.
 
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Honestly tempted to sell my old desktop to put the funds towards one next year. The 3.5mm port still serves as an optical right if you get a SPDIF converter? Needs to be able to support a DAC which in turns goes to the AMP for a HD 800S

No, Apple removed SPDIF from their machines a few years ago. You'll need an external DAC if you need digital audio out from the machine.
 
When’s the last time anyone upgraded their old laptop? I upgrade my PC, sure, but I’ve had zero reason to upgrade my 2013 MBPr. Also there are other laptops on the market, no one is forcing you to get a MBP. If upgradability is SO important to you, get something that allows for it.
 
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When’s the last time anyone upgraded their old laptop? I upgrade my PC, sure, but I’ve had zero reason to upgrade my 2013 MBPr. Also there are other laptops on the market, no one is forcing you to get a MBP. If upgradability is SO important to you, get something that allows for it.

A lot of people do, obviously few Mac users do because Apple doesn't allow any upgrades after the purchase. But upgrade and repair is a huge reason why Lenovo sells more PCs than anybody - their Think line is famously repairable.
 
No, Apple removed SPDIF from their machines a few years ago. You'll need an external DAC if you need digital audio out from the machine.

Indeed, will have to either get a converter or go through USB (Non Gen 5 USB board). Think I'll have to upgrade my DAC then ha. Oh dear, this is going to be expensive.
 
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A lot of people do, obviously few Mac users do because Apple doesn't allow any upgrades after the purchase. But upgrade and repair is a huge reason why Lenovo sells more PCs than anybody - their Think line is famously repairable.
They also have deals with many companies, and those don’t ever get upgraded.
 
Are you an engineer? You don't need to speculate on if it would or would not be thicker or heavier. The last 15" MacBook Pro that was upgradable was the 2012 MacBookPro9,1. It weighed 5.6 pounds (versus 4 pounds on the current 2019 model) and was 0.95 inch thick versus 0.61 inches. It was also a bit longer and wider. That's just the facts.

it’s irrelevant who I am. The fact is ssd is in a socket on a 2015 mbp but not the ram when it easily could have Been deigned the same way like the ssd ram chip is about the same size like the ssd.
 
it’s irrelevant who I am. The fact is ssd is in a socket on a 2015 mbp but not the ram when it easily could have Been deigned the same way like the ssd ram chip is about the same size like the ssd.
You keep complaining about this and dismissing any reasons why it is soldered. Go buy a thinkpad or some other upgradable laptop since it’s clearly the most important feature for you.
 
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