iFixit Tearing Down 16-Inch MacBook Pro Live

[Unregistered 4U]

satisfying the market segment that is insulted by the lack of access.

That’s a fairly small segment and shrinking every day. I’d guess in 40 years, it may even be gone completely.

 

[57004]

Oh that's a shame... I though they'd have an actually good keyboard this time. But they're only like the 'Magic' one

I have a Magic keyboard at work but I can't use it just like the MBP butterfly ones. Way too little travel. I'll stick with my wired external ones while they last

 

[Unregistered 4U]

You keep complaining about this and dismissing any reasons why it is soldered. Go buy a thinkpad or some other upgradable laptop since it’s clearly the most important feature for you.

This is what they consider “debate”. It would be the same as someone saying, “I’ve completely made my mind up about a thing, CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE!!” Folks have fun in myriad ways

 

[alpi123]

no. Mac mini, iMac, Mac Pro, etc all have more replaceable components today that makes that argument nonlogical

This is literally a laptop, not meant to be stationary. The Mac mini could also be moved but it's not as compact as this laptop and doesn't have a display.

 

[Peperino]

Saying there is no reason to solder components really shows how little you know about this. You have a case of SBS im afraid.

Apple has plenty of reasons.
1- have computers failed more easily, so users need to pay for more expensive repairs or plainly just buy a new computer.
2- have repairs be more expensive
3- Charge ridiculous obscene prices for upgrade both RAM and SSD
4- Create disposable appliances, hence create more trash.

 

[Dovydas]

You keep complaining about this and dismissing any reasons why it is soldered. Go buy a thinkpad or some other upgradable laptop since it’s clearly the most important feature for you.

Yeah, yeah ... the end of your arguments.

 

[Peperino]

Actually they will be more reliable if they are soldered. Socketed parts fall out of their sockets. Socketed parts have more points of failure.

Sockets also increase inductance and impedance, thus increasing power consumption at a given frequency, or reducing frequency at a given power consumption.

Sorry, but my electrical engineering ph.d and years of experience designing CPUs tell me that your claim that my arguments are completely flawed is flawed.

All Apple Macbooks prior 2014 had removable RAM. I NEVER had a single problem and heard of a person to have a problem with removable RAM slots. So Maybe your PhD is Flawed...

 

[thevault]

Fanboy's will always defend Apple soldering with regards to SSD and Ram.

Correct soldering SM chips for logic... circuits are normal practice that does decrease power consumption and especially profitable when manufactured with this design. When we're talking about SSD's and Ram for the end user were a mobile computer SSD gets damaged or ram might cause errors then the end user is screwed. SSD/Ram "fall out of their sockets"....Lol ...That's called poor design or cheap design for an over paid PhD.

If you live in a utopia mind set (PhD) basic logic many times gets over looked.

It is laughable that you have to mention a PhD.....I've worked with many and some can see the large picture and some are narrow minded.

 

[code-m]

Having removable items in a portable device creates a point of failure. It is the reason Iphone broke the rule of removable batteries. 80% of my phone issues I had before 2007 came from batteries or their connections. I went from phones lasting a year at the most to passing them on after 3 years or so.

Huh, what about the two movable fans in the MBP or the display hinge that is moved constantly compared to an SSD from its slot or RAM. There was a case for HDD in the past, I am just trying to understand.

 

[Mr. Dee]

The lesson to Apple, if ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[code-m]

All Apple Macbooks prior 2014 had removable RAM. I NEVER had a single problem and heard of a person to have a problem with removable RAM slots. So Maybe your PhD is Flawed...

UoP on-line university 🤣🤣

 

[thevault]

Computers are not more reliable because they are soldered, neither they perform better.
It is a complete scam by Apple to:
1- Overcharge for obscene Apple RAM and SSD prices.
2- Create more expensive repairs, if they can actually be repaired...
3- Creates actually more trash.
4- Most importantly, if anything happens, you will LOSE all your data.(and please do not start with Back up bla bla,,,). While before regardless if the logic board dies,you could remove the hard drive and back up your data.

I can keep going, but sometimes it does not make much sense to try to show something to a blind person...

Maybe you should look at these videos to learn about all the serious design failures Apple is purposely doing.

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[code-m]

Fanboy's will always defend Apple soldering with regards to SSD and Ram.

Correct soldering SM chips for logic... circuits are normal practice that does increase reliabilty and especially profitable when manufactured with this design. When we're talking about SSD's and Ram for the end user were a mobile computer SSD gets damaged or ram might cause errors then the end user is screwed. SSD/Ram "fall out of their sockets"....Lol ...That's called poor design or cheap design for an over paid PhD.

If you live in a utopia mind set (PhD) basic logic many times gets over looked.

It is laughable that you have to mention that you're a PhD.....I've worked with many and some can see the large picture and some are narrow minded.

When anyone mentions that not only Apple laptops had replaceable RAM and SSD that was secured into place with a single screw or clip, they will come up with some other ridiculous reason such as thickness and weight, etc, etc.

Some of these posters even defended the butterfly mech KB and still do despite Apple reversing course. At some point these posters will change they tunes and come up with another excuse or reason for Apple’s action.

The Apple cheerleader team only on MR.

Memory so short that the 2017 MBA had a replaceable SSD and no problems, go figure.

 

[bigcat]

Is the WiFi upgradable to wifi6?

 

[alvindarkness]

Yes, soldered ssd's prevents that thief that wants to remove the bottom cover of your laptop and steal the ssd specifically ... If you want true security, there are far better measures that can be taken. SSD chips won't be more reliable if they are soldered. And recent NVMe SSD's that can be slotted in and taken out are just as fast as Apple's soldered-in SSD's.

And there's truly no performance boost or security advantage to having soldered ram versus slotted ram. I'm sorry, but your arguments are completely flawed.

No extra security, reliability or performance? I disagree. By soldering in the SSD and RAM, Apple can reliably secure more of your money, via increasing their BTO add-ons sales performance.

 

[dukebound85]

This is literally a laptop, not meant to be stationary. The Mac mini could also be moved but it's not as compact as this laptop and doesn't have a display.

And what is your point?

The below is what you are stating as a reason for not having user upgradeable parts. If it is ok on their other current offerings, then what does being a laptop have anything to do with it? your logic isn’t there

Because Apple wants to control the speed of this machine and using third party apps would mess some things. You can use the lowest quality parts and claim the Macbook is slow.

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All Apple Macbooks prior 2014 had removable RAM. I NEVER had a single problem and heard of a person to have a problem with removable RAM slots. So Maybe your PhD is Flawed...

I have never heard of components falling out of sockets being an issue either.

 

[applesed]

Let's see the teardown score of the new Mac Pro, that might calm some folks down.

 

[Glockworkorange]

What is the point.. the repairability score will be less than 2.. As always!

Always. They have an agenda.

 

[SergueiTemp]

400$ for 32GB? Shove it up your ass. Guess there isn't any hope till Cook is gone.

 

[Glockworkorange]

I’m dying at describing people who are fighting for the right to repair products that one owns as self-serving.

Lol.

You have every right to "repair your product."

You can take it to Apple or an authorized repair center for a fix or replacement parts.

Nobody is stopping you from going to take your product to be repaired.

if it can’t be repaired, you can buy a replacement, you know, as with everything else.

I believe the original comment was made because the "right to repair" "movement" is agenda driven, misleading and couched as an almost civil rights issue.

It’s 2019. Things aren’t like they were in 2005. The old days of diy with spare parts is over.

Just like disco and hair metal. And, unfortunately, grunge.

 

[kensic]

she s still using the 2012 non retina version....and thats the samee for me!!! i love it. bought it new at 1300$...well worth the money spent now.

 

[Glockworkorange]

This is what they consider “debate”. It would be the same as someone saying, “I’ve completely made my mind up about a thing, CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE!!” Folks have fun in myriad ways

In fairness, I bet your mind is made up as well.
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This is why i buy Applecare, because if the unit goes bust over 3 years i get it fixed or repaired at little or no cost. Or Apple just replaces the computer. Most people do not know how to do the simplistic things on how to upgrade a computer without damaging some other component. These are not desktop computers where you have a larger tolerance for installing things. Do we do self upgrae our iPhone or do we buy a new iphone every 5 years or less. Or I get two incidents of damage. People cry about how they want a thinner lighter laptop but they want to have memory card slots or SSD memory slots now you laptop gets fatter and if you drop it their is a chance that it will come out of the socket.

I upgrade every 5 years and over half of the life is covered under Applecare. Spend the Money for what you want right away and live with it for 5 years and then trade in or sell the old model and put the money into the new machine.

Or by a Mac Pro were you can upgrade to your heart content.

You can’t win these days!

 

[nt5672]

I was hoping for a socketed SSD at least. I didn't expect RAM to be upgradable, but allowing for replacement SSDs would mean less need for replacement logicboards when the SSDs (inevitably) die.

I don't think you understand. Apple expects you to pay the Apple tax again when that happens by buying a new computer. How else do you think they can keep the stock price high. Its certainly not with innovation.

 

[cmaier]

All Apple Macbooks prior 2014 had removable RAM. I NEVER had a single problem and heard of a person to have a problem with removable RAM slots. So Maybe your PhD is Flawed...

By definition “reliability” is not measurable by your single data point.

 

[Glockworkorange]

By definition “reliability” is not measurable by your single data point.

This guy said 2013 Macbooks had removable RAM?

What planet was that on?