Some awesome improvements! It's a shame it will no longer work too well on my 450mhz G4. 
I always liked using that machine.
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iLife '05 and iWork '05
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sigamy said:
I dont think that is really possible. Now they could get a spread sheet program like the one is MSworks which should be what they need. Excel has a lot of stuff in it that would be impossible for apple to put in it. (mainly the VB stuff but they may be able to make it use Xcode). I think there goal should be not to be like Excel but the spred sheet program in MSworks which is a much weaker program than Excel but covers 90+% of people needs
sigamy said:
I remeber Lotus 1-2-3 it was the first spread sheet program I ever used and it was on an very very old IBM computer that ran on dos but that was before the days of windows 3.1 and the days of floppies
sigamy said:
This is not commonly known but in excel you can already do that and rename the cells (or range of cells to where it is a matix) to something like that. I dont remeber the key command off the top of my head but I know that in the top corner where it says the cell locatoin/name you can change it there and it is saved under that. For the most part people who read the spread sheet will never see that but it does help a lot for the person doing the spread sheet and helps out a lot in debugging it. I was going crazying helping out a friend on physic lab report because he did not do that and left it in the rather cryptic form. I showed him how to name the stuff and it made it easier to debug. Spreed sheets are great for displaying raw dating and complining raw data but when it comes to tracing down a bug in your work it can become a pain in the rear simple to the the cryptic nature of spreed sheets.
I do hope that little bit above helps out vast majority of people who did not know the in excell you could already rename you cells (well more so make then vaibles) and not have to the crypit A1+A2 stuff.
I will close saying this post was not ment to pick your apart in any way. I know that the general public at large knows very little about office or a lot of stuff that makes it so great. I using it as more to just hopefully show people that some of the stuff is already in there just not well known. I have to remind my self at times that very few people really know that much about excel and I just really scratch the surface in what I have learned about it and that still a lot of infomation have a class that showed me a lot about it help me out quite a bit.
Keynote 2- no upgrade- still worth it
I was a little disappointed that there is no upgrade for the first minute Keynote 1 users. But seriously, the 49- (must be a littel more in US-currency) they carge me with edu-pricing for Pages and Keynote 2 are a real good deal for everyone, even if it is not called "update"...
I ordered my package right away....good job, Apple.
I was a little disappointed that there is no upgrade for the first minute Keynote 1 users. But seriously, the 49- (must be a littel more in US-currency) they carge me with edu-pricing for Pages and Keynote 2 are a real good deal for everyone, even if it is not called "update"...
I ordered my package right away....good job, Apple.
People: Apple has thought this through
I think Apple was smart in how they didn't include a spreadsheet.
They are not positioning this as an Office replacement. Jobs never said that. They still offer Appleworks for free with new computers.
I think people need to look at this as just the beginning. Apple, as many, many, people have pointed out, cannot risk pissing off MS and killing Office. It will kill the Mac.
So, they are going to build an Office killer, but slowly. v1 of iWork is not a threat. No spreadsheet. Pages is missing key functionality for the corporate environment.
But if we get updates each year, slowly adding more apps, Apple can get paid for development and not piss off MS. It's a win-win. And we win since we get replacements in the meantime for Office's two weakest applications.
Yes, we would of all loved a replacement for Office. But at the cost of killing MS Office support and ultimately the Mac? No way. All of the people here complaining about no spreadsheet would instead my complaining about the death of the Mac.
Be careful what you wish for.
I think Apple was smart in how they didn't include a spreadsheet.
They are not positioning this as an Office replacement. Jobs never said that. They still offer Appleworks for free with new computers.
I think people need to look at this as just the beginning. Apple, as many, many, people have pointed out, cannot risk pissing off MS and killing Office. It will kill the Mac.
So, they are going to build an Office killer, but slowly. v1 of iWork is not a threat. No spreadsheet. Pages is missing key functionality for the corporate environment.
But if we get updates each year, slowly adding more apps, Apple can get paid for development and not piss off MS. It's a win-win. And we win since we get replacements in the meantime for Office's two weakest applications.
Yes, we would of all loved a replacement for Office. But at the cost of killing MS Office support and ultimately the Mac? No way. All of the people here complaining about no spreadsheet would instead my complaining about the death of the Mac.
Be careful what you wish for.
JFreak said:
Yeah, I agree. I've always assumed that it was pro-logic or prologic II. I'd be fine with that in iMovie. I would just like to be able to "point" a sound effect or audio clip to the front or rear speakers. It looks like that is what Pinnacle Studio offers.
Timelessblur said:
No offense taken, and trust me I've done plenty of Excel/VBA development. I've see it go from 5.0's DialogSheets to Dialogs to UserForms. I work with business intelligence/OLAP tools and some of them are directly tied to Excel and VBA.
I believe you are speaking about named ranges, which is a bit different than what Improv offered. In Excel you can give a name to cell A1, in the top box. So you name that cell or a range of cells "Expenses" and another cell "Income'. Then you can create a formula using these named ranges. But the Cells still remain A1, B2, etc. Like you said, most people just viewing the SS won't even see the named ranges. In Improv there is no such thing as A1,A2,B3, etc.
Anyway, this just gets back to the point that the spreadsheet as we know it has been done and done to death. It will be really interesting to see if Apple does something unique or if they just create a basic spreadsheet that is built for OS X with Automator and iLife awareness.
One othe idea I'd like to see is the spreadsheet app tied to Dashboard widgets ala Microsoft's old Excel web-query. You can use a widget to get stock prices, currency conversion, etc and have that data dynamically updated in your spreadsheet.
JFreak said:i think it's not pretending to be indesign at all. it's rather a "ms works in apple style". it's only a positive thing that apple has not included spell/grammar check or any other totally useless features, but only a basic word processing app with templates (for the regular joes).
i might enjoy this "word lite"-ness because i publish my documents with indesign anyway, but composing text with textedit.app feels rather cheap. if it feels nicer composing text with pages, i'll buy that
"I swear it's like he's trying to tell me something."
I already have Office for Mac 2004, but I ordered iWork anyway just for the days when I feel too lazy to do something really creative, when I am creatively exhausted and let someone else do the layout work for me.
For someone who don't feel like spending a lot of money for Office, and only need word processing and some presentation stuff, iWork is defintely a good investment.
For someone who don't feel like spending a lot of money for Office, and only need word processing and some presentation stuff, iWork is defintely a good investment.
jhomayne said:wait..
am i right in saying that Pages has no spell-check?
EDIT: not that i wouldn't be able to function without one, but in an age where things like hotmail, msgboards. etc have spellchecks, it was a bit of a shock to read that.
Where did you get that from? Who said it doesn't have one?
fjs08 said:
Same here. I've got 100 bucks in my pocket right now, and I can go get a pair of shoes when my class (which I'm in right now) is over, or save it for iWork '05 in a couple weeks.
Decisions, decisions...
jhomayne said:wait..
am i right in saying that Pages has no spell-check?
EDIT: not that i wouldn't be able to function without one, but in an age where things like hotmail, msgboards. etc have spellchecks, it was a bit of a shock to read that.
Of course it has spell check.
iDVD '05 Slideshows
One of my few gripes with iDVD '04 is the limit of 99 photos in a slideshow and the limit of only 1 song per slideshow. I have yet to read if either limitation has been lifted in the '05 package.
I do know that i could import the photos and music to iMovie , but i would then also have to insert ( and render) the transitions. Has anyone read a review or found out anything regarding this subject?
*My first post BTW! My HOMEPAGE
One of my few gripes with iDVD '04 is the limit of 99 photos in a slideshow and the limit of only 1 song per slideshow. I have yet to read if either limitation has been lifted in the '05 package.
I do know that i could import the photos and music to iMovie , but i would then also have to insert ( and render) the transitions. Has anyone read a review or found out anything regarding this subject?
*My first post BTW! My HOMEPAGE
To ikarl67.
I too was very annoyed at the 99 picture restriction.
Though if you want to have more than one song for your slideshow, make a playlist of the music you want in the slideshow in iTunes, then go to ur iDVD slideshow, select media in the customise panel and find your playlist, drag it over into the audio button.
I too was very annoyed at the 99 picture restriction.
Though if you want to have more than one song for your slideshow, make a playlist of the music you want in the slideshow in iTunes, then go to ur iDVD slideshow, select media in the customise panel and find your playlist, drag it over into the audio button.
I was watching the keynote and during the iwork portion, the main portion that was mentioned was the "templates." Jobs stated that it was the first word processor ever to do this... Templates have been in MS office since as long as I remember. If you have a PC, go start/new office document and you see about 40 templates. Maybe not as nice templates as iwork...but they're templates nevertheless. I haven't done templates on a mac, but if memory serves, there is a way to do templates in file/new document. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thibk this template thing is old news...........
I agree. I've been using apps with placer text and template layouts for a long time. Apple has definitely done it better than others with the little details like the photo frames set at an angle (and you can still drop an image in there) and the fancy text placement, but these aren't "new" features. They're old stuff, just done better and more simply as you would expect from Apple.Freyqq said:
I also think that the comparison to Word isn't useful. This product is a lot more like MS Publisher. I own Word on Mac and PC and Publisher on PC. I use Word to write letters, papers, proposals, but my wife and I use Publisher a lot to do flyers, cards, etc. because it's so easy to place graphics, clipart, etc. with all the built-in TEMPLATES in Publisher. I'd like to buy iWork, and for me it would replace Publisher. I would probably still use Word for papers unless the import/export from Pages really blows my socks off.
jhomayne said:
I know it has been claimed by a poster here, but it is incorrect.
Pages has a spell checker. I have used Pages, so I am absolutely certain of it.
Plus, think about it: OSX has a system wide spell check, and Apple is very smart at giving customers what they need. Why would Apple do something like not include a spell checker in a word processor? Not even Microsoft is that stupid.
Yeah there is a limit of 99 in the DVD spec, but I'm told there are also ways around it (like 2 sets of 99 butted up against each other).3Memos said:
Alternatively (if Apple wanted to), I guess instead of 1 slide per 'chapter', they could do 2 slides per chapter. Still, not quite as professional.
I'm very interested in how movies and slides interact now with '05 - I have no idea yet. I'd love to drag a slideshow straight into iMovie (complete with transitions, music, and optional chapter markers). Start an iMovie for my holiday, make 3 or 4 slideshows from different bits of a holiday and drag them into the film separately.
