I'm honestly thinking of getting the Vision Pro

[GMShadow]

I'm considering it...but I do have a concern.

The second generation of Apple products usually fix a *lot* of pain points about the original, and often are supported far longer. The iPad 2 had four years more support, though that's obviously the most extreme example.

 

[Longplays]

WAIT! I just realized another use case for the Vision Pro for me: The cameras. And no, I'm not talking about that disturbing Black Mirror crap that they had in the presentation, I'm talking about POV shots. The Vision Pro could replace a GoPro, and offer better POV angles than a GoPro, since it's literally where your eyes are.

I could do POV filming of unboxings, I could start a vlog and never have to show my face.

Okay now I'm getting even more excited.

POV...

3D camera...

😉

 

[Longplays]

I'm considering it...but I do have a concern.

The second generation of Apple products usually fix a *lot* of pain points about the original, and often are supported far longer. The iPad 2 had four years more support, though that's obviously the most extreme example.

The ~half million Vision Pros that will be out next year will likely land on 3rd party devs hence the US-only distribution.

Same with the iPhone that eventually was released later that year to other rich nations with lots of 3rd party devs.

 

[klasma]

I'd wait for the reviews from those who try to use it all day long. I don't think it will be comfortable to wear for extended periods of time, and to the eyes due to VAC, compared to lounging around with an iPad.

 

[Night Spring]

I can see using it a lot more than my iPad, since I don't have to carry a tablet with me. I just wear the headset and I have the OS with me.

I agree with your analysis of VP potentially replacing multiple devices. But I doubt it will be as portable as the iPad. You can wear VP around the house, but if you want to take it to office/school, it's going to need to be in a case. And Apple hasn't yet shown a case. Considering that the front glass will need a lot of cushion and you also need to store the head strap, I expect the case will be kinda bulky.

So much as I'm excited at the possibilities of this new platform, I'm waiting until the early gen kinks are worked out.

if I get it in January or not.

Early 2024 could be as late as March, even April.

 

[Jensend]

They were farther ahead of release date than the introduction of the iPhone and that announcement had Steve Jobs using multiple prototypes each with one function or two to demonstrate and was not something you could play with. The expectation that the public demos would be able to demo randomly anything you wanted, or all features... crazy.

My point is not that they haven’t tested the incomplete current version, but that they haven’t fully explored what will be available at launch . Yes, of course that is impossible for anyone to do right now.

 

[bkkcanuck8]

My point is not that they haven’t tested the incomplete current version, but that they haven’t fully explored what will be available at launch . Yes, of course that is impossible for anyone to do right now.

And there were many that mentioned that there were things obviously held back from the demo. It is highly likely that they will have another event of which Vision Pro will be revisited just before it goes on sale...

 

[cardfan]

Originally I was thinking of waiting for the consumer model Vision Pro since $3500 for a first gen headset is absolutely insane, but then I started thinking.

See, a little backstory: I love VR. If you've followed me from my posts in all the rumor articles I was explaining my VR background and things about the VR industry, so I'm one of the only people in this forum who was excited about an Apple HMD even if it was expensive.

I have a Quest 2 as my headset, but to be fully honest...the Quest 2 is awful. AR Passthrough is black and white and low quality since it was made for VR in mind and it's passthrough is meant for utility so you could step out of your playspace for a moment to do something without taking the headset off. The Quest 3 and Pro have proper passthrough but even then it's not ideal as the image quality is horrible. And that's the biggest issue with the Quest HMDs: The image quality. For games, it's perfect, but for any other kind of media consumption or even doing work on it, it's too poor. It's why people pretty much only use the Quest as a gaming headset.

Which brings me to why I'm genuinely thinking of getting the Vision Pro: To replace my iPad. You see, the iPad used to be my favorite Apple product since the iPad 2. I used it constantly and always, sometimes over my PC. But recently Apple's kinda caused the iPad to languish. iPadOS has been the second banana in terms of OS features, always getting last year's iOS features, and lately I've been using my iPad less and less. Then last year I got a 14 inch Macbook Pro, and that had essentially replaced all my iPad's functions since the display and OS is better than my iPad's.

I was thinking of getting an iPad Pro, used or new...but then I had a thought: Why should I get a iPad I would barely use, potentially spending over a thousand dollars, when I could get the Vision Pro, a new OS with a new control layout that I love, that I could do more with than an iPad, and could also replace my Quest 2 for non-gaming stuff. I barely use my iPad anymore, pretty much only using it in the bathroom and on the bed. But seeing the Vision Pro, I can see using it a lot more than my iPad, since I don't have to carry a tablet with me. I just wear the headset and I have the OS with me.

And that's the big thing that has my attention on the headset: The display. A 4K Micro-OLED display with me that's easily transportable. Essentially a mini Pro Display XDR for less the cost. The content consumption I can do with this thing would be incredible, to the point it could potentially replace my traditional monitor with how good it is

I'll have to try it on at the Apple Store in January before I make the decision, and if I do get it, I'd probably have to do monthly payments using my Apple Card. But right now, I'm looking at this, and gears are turning in my head.

You pretty much said what I have. Iits basically a 3d iPad oled. ’ll preorder when it drops assuming vet discount is available. I wouldn’t buy it unless I get my usual 20-25% off that the vet discount is a component of. And yes it has to replace iPads and monitors for me.

The only question is what storage the base unit will have. I’m guessing 256gb but apple could surprise with 128. We saw 1 tb in the visionOS walkthroughs. But since this isn’t a mobile device for me I’ll deal with base.

 

[rafark]

Me? It’s everything I expected it to be. Everyone else seemed to expect a gaming device but I knew Apple could do better. I was one of the few defending the rumors for past couple of years. Hopefully I can afford it next year.

I'll have to try it on at the Apple Store in January

Hmm, January? It probably won’t be available before spring.

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

You pretty much said what I have. Iits basically a 3d iPad oled. ’ll preorder when it drops assuming vet discount is available. I wouldn’t buy it unless I get my usual 20-25% off that the vet discount is a component of. And yes it has to replace iPads and monitors for me.

The only question is what storage the base unit will have. I’m guessing 256gb but apple could surprise with 128. We saw 1 tb in the visionOS walkthroughs. But since this isn’t a mobile device for me I’ll deal with base.

Since it's using a M2 in it we can assume the same configurations as an iPad Pro.

 

[nathansz]

I would personally never buy something like this but that’s because I’m not in to vr/ar

However if I loved vr like you say you do than I would almost certainly go for it

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

I agree with your analysis of VP potentially replacing multiple devices. But I doubt it will be as portable as the iPad. You can wear VP around the house, but if you want to take it to office/school, it's going to need to be in a case. And Apple hasn't yet shown a case. Considering that the front glass will need a lot of cushion and you also need to store the head strap, I expect the case will be kinda bulky.

To be fair I don't carry my AirPods Max in a case. I'll probably just wear them around my neck when not using them, just like I do my Maxes.

Or put them on my forehead like night vision goggles

WAIT A MINUTE! NIGHT VISION MODE! OH MY GOD THAT'S BRILLIANT! Affordable consumer night vision goggles!

 

[masotime]

By the way - in case it's not well known, there's an excellent VR headset comparison website - https://vr-compare.com/

There really are only a handful of VR Headsets that sport 4K per eye capability

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

By the way - in case it's not well known, there's an excellent VR headset comparison website - https://vr-compare.com/

There really are only a handful of VR Headsets that sport 4K per eye capability

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The Pimax is the closest to a consumer 4K VR headset, but it's heavy. Very heavy. And just like the Bigscreen Beyond, requires a VR ready PC which at minimum is $1000, and Valve's base stations which is another $1000

So it's the same price as the Vision Pro at that point, and is tied to a PC and heavy. The only upside to using the Pimax over the Vision Pro, is of course it's used on a PC so you can do PCVR experiences immediately, which is why the headset is popular with VR arcades.

 

[now i see it]

Very few people that visit MR had any interest at all in VR goggles. Butnow that aplInc will be making one - people are interested.

 

[the future]

Also, Vision Pro has > 4K resolution. Apple states 23 million pixels in total; 2x 4K screens have „only“ approx. 16,6 million pixels.

 

[masotime]

Also, Vision Pro has > 4K resolution. Apple states 23 million pixels in total; 2x 4K screens have „only“ approx. 16,6 million pixels.

Yeah possibly sqrt(23000000/2) ~= 3400x3400 per eye. I'm assuming square aspect ratio - not sure if individual eyes do better with wide aspect ratios (?)

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

I'm thinking more about that GoPro replacement angle, and yeah Vision Pro really introduces new recording possibilities.

Now by GoPro replacement I don't mean for sports or outdoor activities. Obviously you should stick to a GoPro for that lmao. Falling off a bike you could break the glass of the headset

But what the Vision Pro could do, is be used to record point of view shots in non-extreme cases. You could do vlogs from your perspective. You could do first person tutorials since the viewers would see exactly what you see since the Vision Pro cameras are literally where your eyes would be. You could use it to record POV experiences and then share them online via Youtube. You could do first person unboxings. There's just so many content creator possibilities with this headset.

 

[masotime]

Now by GoPro replacement I don't mean for sports or outdoor activities. Obviously you should stick to a GoPro for that lmao. Falling off a bike you could break the glass of the headset

Depends. I like to go snowboarding and it's hard to see in a blizzard. I think ski goggles with AR to outline the trail would be immensely helpful personally.

Case in point...

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

Depends. I like to go snowboarding and it's hard to see in a blizzard. I think ski goggles with AR to outline the trail would be immensely helpful personally.

Case in point...

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I don't think the Vision Pro would be able to handle weather like this

But this would be a good prospect for a Vision Ultra that ditched the eye display on the outside and opted for ruggedness.

 

[TheColtr]

I had the original HTC Vive for Steam. It was cool, but with my motion sickness, I mostly swore off VR. I recently tried a family member's Quest 2 and played with the workspace app, letting me use my MacBook in VR with a huge screen was great. I have now started saving up money for the Vision Pro. After my time with the Quest at work, I understand "spacial computing" and can see a real use case for me. I will buy the Vision Pro, at launch, sight unseen. I am convinced that this is the first step in a revolution and I want to be part of it.

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

Hell I'll take it a step further. I'd actually wear it in public.

"You'd want to be seen with big goggles on your face?"

Yes. After all, the girl in my profile pic wears them all the time

(Great I'm gonna have to commission someone to draw Futaba wearing the Vision Pro now...)

 

[masotime]

I don't think the Vision Pro would be able to handle weather like this

But this would be a good prospect for a Vision Ultra that ditched the eye display on the outside and opted for ruggedness.

Yeah I think there would be a market for a "sport" / outdoor version of the Vision Pro. I could be wrong - it's kinda niche - but it's really handy if you can overlay paths / trails and live information about weather etc.

 

[bkkcanuck8]

Depends. I like to go snowboarding and it's hard to see in a blizzard. I think ski goggles with AR to outline the trail would be immensely helpful personally.

Case in point...

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I would not trust any gadget in a blizzard at least at this point....I would recommend picking a day with better visability. Although not quite the same, I have known skiiers from long ago that got bored of skiing on the normal trails, and done gone off trail skiing... the type where you turn left, great, turn right... boom... you are not in great shape you are dead. IMHO, it is not worth it.

 

[zapmymac]

Or buy it, keep it unopened and wait for the it to be the collectors item it will be.

If you buy it, I’ll gladly watch your unboxing 2x 😀✌️