I'm honestly thinking of getting the Vision Pro

[calikid78]

Apple has a 14 day return policy folks. Buy it and use it for a couple of weeks. If it doesn't blow you away, return it.

 

[TehFalcon]

I’ve managed to build up a little bit of money, and I purchased a used EV that’s getting me a $4000 tax credit, which will offset my cost of buying the Vision.

 

[TechnoMonk]

I am not buying it to replace an iPad Pro. Need more than that to splurge 3500.

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

Originally I was thinking of waiting for the consumer model Vision Pro since $3500 for a first gen headset is absolutely insane, but then I started thinking.

See, a little backstory: I love VR. If you've followed me from my posts in all the rumor articles I was explaining my VR background and things about the VR industry, so I'm one of the only people in this forum who was excited about an Apple HMD even if it was expensive.

I have a Quest 2 as my headset, but to be fully honest...the Quest 2 is awful. AR Passthrough is black and white and low quality since it was made for VR in mind and it's passthrough is meant for utility so you could step out of your playspace for a moment to do something without taking the headset off. The Quest 3 and Pro have proper passthrough but even then it's not ideal as the image quality is horrible. And that's the biggest issue with the Quest HMDs: The image quality. For games, it's perfect, but for any other kind of media consumption or even doing work on it, it's too poor. It's why people pretty much only use the Quest as a gaming headset.

Which brings me to why I'm genuinely thinking of getting the Vision Pro: To replace my iPad. You see, the iPad used to be my favorite Apple product since the iPad 2. I used it constantly and always, sometimes over my PC. But recently Apple's kinda caused the iPad to languish. iPadOS has been the second banana in terms of OS features, always getting last year's iOS features, and lately I've been using my iPad less and less. Then last year I got a 14 inch Macbook Pro, and that had essentially replaced all my iPad's functions since the display and OS is better than my iPad's.

I was thinking of getting an iPad Pro, used or new...but then I had a thought: Why should I get a iPad I would barely use, potentially spending over a thousand dollars, when I could get the Vision Pro, a new OS with a new control layout that I love, that I could do more with than an iPad, and could also replace my Quest 2 for non-gaming stuff. I barely use my iPad anymore, pretty much only using it in the bathroom and on the bed. But seeing the Vision Pro, I can see using it a lot more than my iPad, since I don't have to carry a tablet with me. I just wear the headset and I have the OS with me.

And that's the big thing that has my attention on the headset: The display. A 4K Micro-OLED display with me that's easily transportable. Essentially a mini Pro Display XDR for less the cost. The content consumption I can do with this thing would be incredible, to the point it could potentially replace my traditional monitor with how good it is

I'll have to try it on at the Apple Store in January before I make the decision, and if I do get it, I'd probably have to do monthly payments using my Apple Card. But right now, I'm looking at this, and gears are turning in my head.

Agree 100%.

If it can substitute any of my use cases (workflows) and offer something more enjoyable or efficient than what I'd do on my iPad or Mac, then I'd absolutely go for it.

But we gotta try it out before we make that jump.

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

I'm considering it...but I do have a concern.

The second generation of Apple products usually fix a *lot* of pain points about the original, and often are supported far longer. The iPad 2 had four years more support, though that's obviously the most extreme example.

This is also my main concern.

I'm not a tech collector and neither have a burning need for anything VR/AR or showing this off to anyone.

It has to fit into my work setup for me to justify it.

And knowing consumer electronics in general, I'm very much expecting the 2nd or 3rd iteration to be a big improvement on all fronts.

Again, it all comes down to what goes down when I get to demo it.

I'm hoping we don't have to wait until next year to see AVP irl. Hopefully, Apple will do some kind of tour or showcase it at some other events. Idk.

 

[bkkcanuck8]

This is also my main concern.

I'm not a tech collector and neither have a burning need for anything VR/AR or showing this off to anyone.

It has to fit into my work setup for me to justify it.

And knowing consumer electronics in general, I'm very much expecting the 2nd or 3rd iteration to be a big improvement on all fronts.

Again, it all comes down to what goes down when I get to demo it.

I'm hoping we don't have to wait until next year to see AVP irl. Hopefully, Apple will do some kind of tour or showcase it at some other events. Idk.

I just don't see any updates other than software updates for a good 2 years after the initial release unless there is some company that comes out to anything coming close to the Vision Pro and I don't see that initially. Apple will continue working on the next release, but they will want to get a better idea of how it is being used, what developers are doing with it... while also working on the mass manufacturing and supply chains so future models won't be as constrained by supply and manufacturing issues. As you mentioned it will be wise of anyone that thinks this fulfills some need and thinks it is worth it for them, to plan to buy it when they have a good 2 weeks of quality time they can put it through it's paces.... then at the end of that time reevaluate if it is matching reality of their needs and if not return it and wait for the next release in a few years time.

 

[Bodhitree]

For me it would just be a toy, I don’t really have many productivity use cases to test it with. Wish I had a good justification for buying one.

 

[PBG4 Dude]

Yeah possibly sqrt(23000000/2) ~= 3400x3400 per eye. I'm assuming square aspect ratio - not sure if individual eyes do better with wide aspect ratios (?)

I swear I saw 3391x3391 posted somewhere which struck me as odd, like the number, since every other resolution I’ve seen use even numbers.

 

[laptech]

I've noticed a couple of people saying they are looking forward to the next versions of the Vison Pro but I am wondering if these people have considered the potential that whilst things maybe added, what about things that get removed or downgraded so it can make away for additions. If Apple does downgrade or remove things from the 1st released edition, will these people be annoyed? or will it all depend on what get's removed/downgraded before they decide to be annoyed or not because sometimes 2nd 3rd editions of stuff does not always mean they are better than the original release.

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

I've noticed a couple of people saying they are looking forward to the next versions of the Vison Pro but I am wondering if these people have considered the potential that whilst things maybe added, what about things that get removed or downgraded so it can make away for additions. If Apple does downgrade or remove things from the 1st released edition, will these people be annoyed? or will it all depend on what get's removed/downgraded before they decide to be annoyed or not because sometimes 2nd 3rd editions of stuff does not always mean they are better than the original release.

The screen quality is gonna get reduced greatly in the consumer model, that's a fact. They'll probably reduce it from 4K to 1440p. The refresh rate will stay 90hz since VR needs it so people don't get motion sick.

They might reduce the amount of cameras though that might make controlling it worse so they might not

Speaking of cameras, the quality of photos and videos taken from it will probably get reduced as well, saving the feature to the Vision Pro since it's the pro headset.

They could change the chip in it. Instead of an M series the consumer model uses the much slower A series instead, which would greatly reduce the functionality. Maybe even take out Mac mode on it.

Though I dunno about you but the thing I would want removed is that external display showing your eyes. It just looks weird. I get it, it's there so people can maintain eye contact while wearing the headset. But this is my avid VR user self talking that frankly I'd rather if people didn't see my eyes.

 

[laptech]

The screen quality is gonna get reduced greatly in the consumer model, that's a fact. They'll probably reduce it from 4K to 1440p. The refresh rate will stay 90hz since VR needs it so people don't get motion sick.

They might reduce the amount of cameras though that might make controlling it worse so they might not

Speaking of cameras, the quality of photos and videos taken from it will probably get reduced as well, saving the feature to the Vision Pro since it's the pro headset.

They could change the chip in it. Instead of an M series the consumer model uses the much slower A series instead, which would greatly reduce the functionality. Maybe even take out Mac mode on it.

Though I dunno about you but the thing I would want removed is that external display showing your eyes. It just looks weird. I get it, it's there so people can maintain eye contact while wearing the headset. But this is my avid VR user self talking that frankly I'd rather if people didn't see my eyes.

Are you perceiving the first release to be a development release or a first edition consumer release? because if what you write could happen then any consumer release would be a very poor example of the development release. This could then mean VR users want what the development release had and not a consumer release which would bring me back to my original point, would those looking into getting the Vison Pro but waiting on later releases be annoyed if the later releases did not have the same specs as the original release and thus saying to themselves 'I wish I had purchased it when it was first released'.

 

[tweaknmod]

I’ll likely wait until the consumer-targeted version, but I’m really excited to see what devs come up with for this new OS…

Right now, our work is done on 2D surfaces, but this allows for apps which use the 3D space to add functionality.

I’m thinking there are devs out there who grew up playing 3D games, and have great ideas to marry some of the designs and functions of those digital worlds with our work worlds.

I don’t know what this will look like, but I’m excited to see what begins to emerge over the next few years…

By the time Apple Vision Air is released, I have no doubt this ecosystem will have already differentiated itself, and shown is how it can improve both work and play.

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

Are you perceiving the first release to be a development release or a first edition consumer release? because if what you write could happen then any consumer release would be a very poor example of the development release. This could then mean VR users want what the development release had and not a consumer release which would bring me back to my original point, would those looking into getting the Vison Pro but waiting on later releases be annoyed if the later releases did not have the same specs as the original release and thus saying to themselves 'I wish I had purchased it when it was first released'.

That's kinda the downside of releasing the pro model first. People forget the Vision Pro is the pro model, and the consumer model is coming at a later date. So there's gonna be downgrades and compromises to the consumer model to get that price way down.

The Vision Pro is essentially a repeat of the Apple Watch Series 0. That was also expensive as hell and was just full of random stuff for Apple to see what stuck. Example: The ability to share heart rates with another person, a feature no one used lmao. There's gonna be a lot of stuff that probably won't stick with the Vision Pro, like the personas, I do not see that becoming a thing with how uncanny they are.

But hey that's just another reason I want the Vision Pro, so I can be one of those early adopters who shapes the future of the entire Vision product category, even if it is a first gen.

 

[klasma]

I swear I saw 3391x3391 posted somewhere which struck me as odd, like the number, since every other resolution I’ve seen use even numbers.

That's because sqrt(23000000/2) is literally 3391 (point something). But the panels probably aren't square. They could be something like 4096 x 2816, for example.

 

[bkkcanuck8]

That's because sqrt(23000000/2) is literally 3391 (point something). But the panels probably aren't square. They could be something like 4096 x 2816, for example.

If you look at average glass lenses - they are wider than they are tall and I believe that is because your eyes have more side peripheral movement than up and down which if you put your hands up on the upper and lower sides vs the outside - you will notice it is more blocked from viewing. The individual pixels would likely make up the same size vertically as horizontally - which leads me to believe that Apple would want image resolution consistency.

 

[christlinah]

Personally, I'll absolutely buy it the moment it's released here in Europe. It's been a long time since I've been so fascinated by something tech-related and I think watching movies with it will be a blast.

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

Personally, I'll absolutely buy it the moment it's released here in Europe. It's been a long time since I've been so fascinated by something tech-related and I think watching movies with it will be a blast.

Oh it certainly will. Watching content in VR is spectacular after years of using BigScreen. But this is even higher quality than BigScreen was.

 

[klasma]

If you look at average glass lenses - they are wider than they are tall and I believe that is because your eyes have more side peripheral movement than up and down which if you put your hands up on the upper and lower sides vs the outside - you will notice it is more blocked from viewing. The individual pixels would likely make up the same size vertically as horizontally - which leads me to believe that Apple would want image resolution consistency.

Yes, the visual field of a single human eye is very roughly 4:3.

 

[k995]

I was thinking of getting an iPad Pro, used or new...but then I had a thought: Why should I get a iPad I would barely use, potentially spending over a thousand dollars, when I could get the Vision Pro, a new OS with a new control layout that I love, that I could do more with than an iPad, and could also replace my Quest 2 for non-gaming stuff. I barely use my iPad anymore, pretty much only using it in the bathroom and on the bed. But seeing the Vision Pro, I can see using it a lot more than my iPad, since I don't have to carry a tablet with me. I just wear the headset and I have the OS with me.

And that's the big thing that has my attention on the headset: The display. A 4K Micro-OLED display with me that's easily transportable. Essentially a mini Pro Display XDR for less the cost. The content consumption I can do with this thing would be incredible, to the point it could potentially replace my traditional monitor with how good it is

I'll have to try it on at the Apple Store in January before I make the decision, and if I do get it, I'd probably have to do monthly payments using my Apple Card. But right now, I'm looking at this, and gears are turning in my head.

So just to do what? Surf, watch movies things like that?
If you are going to use it for long extended times I would suggest you actually try that before buying it. Using it a few minutes in a shop isnt the same as wearing it for several hours.

 

[k995]

Finally! Someone got what the Vision Pro's trying to do...

Be the replacement of TVs, computer displays, iPads, etc into 1 device.

Naturally there will still be people who will have more than 1 device but for most it will be more than 1-2 devices.

That's what the iPhone did in 2007 when Steve showed the worldwide shipping numbers of mobile phones, digital cameras, MP3 players, PCs and game consoles.

It will succeed if it is priced $429-1599 like the iPhone.

But it wont do that for the vast mayority of consumers.
A family watching tv's isnt going to watch all on their individual VP's so they still need a tv, if I want to game on windows or console, still need a tv/monitor, look up something quick an ipad will be so much easier then this. Iphone still is needed ,...

Sure some people might replace something, but I doubt many will replace more then one thing iof they replace anything at all.

An iphone did actually replace all those you mentioned AND cost 499$ .

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

So just to do what? Surf, watch movies things like that?
If you are going to use it for long extended times I would suggest you actually try that before buying it. Using it a few minutes in a shop isnt the same as wearing it for several hours.

Well there's more to the headset I can use it for than just watching content

I can use the camera features to start a first person vlog since I don't like showing my face

I can use it to replace my monitors since I don't have a 4K display

There's probably more uses but we'll have to wait and see as we get closer to launch what apps are available.

 

[k995]

Well there's more to the headset I can use it for than just watching content

I can use the camera features to start a first person vlog since I don't like showing my face

I can use it to replace my monitors since I don't have a 4K display

There's probably more uses but we'll have to wait and see as we get closer to launch what apps are available.

First person? GO pro costs 300? Replace monitors sure, but if you are going to use that for many hours its going to be a real drain on your eyes and you are limited to the vision pro OS and apps.

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

First person? GO pro costs 300?

And GoPro is a separate device that has to be mounted to something, then afterwards you gotta import the footage to a Mac or PC. The Vision Pro I just wear and go. It's just like with phone cameras. You can make the case a dedicated camera is better (and in a lot of situations they are) but they're not convenient. The Vision Pro is, since I'm already wearing the headset, I can see what is being recorded since it literally sees what I see, and after done recording I could instantly get to work editing the footage, not even needing to take the headset off.

Just like the iPhone the Vision Pro is a jack of all trades and being a first person photo and video camera is just one of them, especially since unlike the GoPro, you can shoot 3D videos.

Replace monitors sure, but if you are going to use that for many hours its going to be a real drain on your eyes and you are limited to the vision pro OS and apps.

My guy you're talking to a avid VR user who sends upwards of 5 hours in VR in a single sitting. It's not a *strain on the eyes like you think it is. The only strain is the same strain you'd get from staring at a phone screen or a standard computer monitor.

 

[Longplays]

But it wont do that for the vast mayority of consumers.
A family watching tv's isnt going to watch all on their individual VP's so they still need a tv, if I want to game on windows or console, still need a tv/monitor, look up something quick an ipad will be so much easier then this. Iphone still is needed ,...

Sure some people might replace something, but I doubt many will replace more then one thing iof they replace anything at all.

An iphone did actually replace all those you mentioned AND cost 499$ .

Have you seen the fertility trend of the top 20% income bracket countries and individuals for the past 1-2 decades?

Unplanned childlessness and planned childlessness is on the rise with <2 births per mother. S. Korea leads it by a little over 1.00 per mother.

The Vision Pro may not as quickly eat into those devices Steve pointed to in 2006 but it is the device that will stay with us after Tim passes.

Before the 2024 Vision Pro I wanted to replace from my decade old

- 2011 MBP 13" 32nm > 2021 MBP 16" 5nm
- 2012 iMac 27" 22nm > 2023 iMac 27" 5nm
- 2016 LG OLED 4k TV > 2026 LG OLED 8K TV
- 2018 iPad Pro 11" A12X Bionic 7nm > 2028 iPad Pro 11" M4 1nm (A10)

But entering the 2030s will I replace the laptop, desktop, TV and tablet with their refreshed SKUs or go AR?

This was why I was saying that for Vision Pro to get iPhone success it needs to reach $429-1599 price band for it to move ~333 million units annually worldwide.

 

[Black Belt]

The technology is pretty astounding