This is an often overlooked point.
Apple gave up on caring about this when they were more obsessed with having their monitor colors “pop” with the glossy, very reflective, finish
As always … marketing and making money concerns won out.
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I’m just slightly creeped out on a conceptual level about this whole thing
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This is an often overlooked point.
Apple gave up on caring about this when they were more obsessed with having their monitor colors “pop” with the glossy, very reflective, finish
As always … marketing and making money concerns won out.
As far as I’m concerned, the seed of isolation is in the human mind. Roughly speaking, two things can happen. We either persistently think life as it should be. Or we accept and live life as it is.
If we’re in the first group, we risk cracking the seed of isolation open, allowing it to germinate in us, plunging us into growing isolation, which is de facto growing self-alienation.
If we’re in the second group however, we’ll simply enjoy tech, seeing it clearly for what it is, without risking cracking open the seed of isolation.
The point there was the dilemma many parents are currently facing when working remotely from home.
The Vision Pro will help remote workers be productive even when small children are causing distractions.
Another health-related perk is not needing a laptop standing desk. Simply wear the Vision Pro and your Mac desktop is anywhere you need it to be, standing up or sitting down.
Absolutely not. I’m the exact same. I thought the tech looked great and for the first time actually saw the possibility of this category.
But I also felt like any random 30 seconds could be clipped up and used as a scene-setting device in a dystopian 80s Paul Verhoeven movie.
I feel the same. Personally I don't mind using this kinda tech to emulate monitors or watch a movie on the big screen at home but the tech certainly opens the door to more isolation just like in the movie Surrogates. I don't think I'll buy one from Apple because of the tracking and biometric data collection whether by Apple or devs. Also Apple is restrictive on how you use their devices so I'll wait for some open source alternatives.
If this is creeping you out, you should have been creeped out long before that... What do you think the scene would have been before this? The person would have had one hand holding an iPhone... making sure to capture the moment ... rather than living in the moment. This is basically the same thing, but with both of your hands free and a more 3D image video captured. The best I have heard this put is basically a visual set of headphones (i.e. isolating in the same manner for the most part), with either passthrough (audio) or blocking out external sensitory input.
I don't think Vision Pro will be the "end of human interaction" as some have said... but other iterations and companies will, especially ones that rely heavily (or exclusively) on advertising and sales. Even some who have compared this to the iPhone - it's not usually the iPhone native apps that are making you stick your face into your phone, but apps like FB, IG, TT, etc. that are trying EVERYTHING possible to keep your eyeballs on the screen and nowehere else.
Sure, I'm thinking it, but technology is going to continue to roll onward with or without me. Since adapting or resisting or merely observing makes no difference in slowing this train, the destination is inevitable. The tech people are going to build whatever dystopian ideas they have guided purely by shortsighted economic self-interest. If they plunge half the population into sedentary lifestyles and then put them out of work, well so be it, that is just the nature of the world you will find yourself living in, and you have no control over it, just like you had no control over the state of the world when you were born into it. The only meaningful choice you can make is whether or not have kids and subject them to the life in store for them, and that choice only meaningful to them. When you make the decision to spare your kids from this future by not having them in the first place, all this collapsing 18th century British industrial culture becomes a spectator sport & greek tragedy for you to entertain yourself with. Will they learn from their mistakes in time to grab a lifeboat before the burning ship sinks beneath the waves??? yawwwwn... Wake me when something exciting happens.
Not thinking you're a part of some great utopian society that will live on for eternity, where every decision is super critical to some master plan, frees you up to find some enjoyment in the long parade of our species failures before your time is up.
Headphones are different because even if you turn on “transparency mode” so that you can hear the world around you, people around you can’t know if you can hear them or not. So until someone figures out a solution to that, headphones are inherently isolating. On the other hand, with the Vision Pro “EyeSight”, people can always see your eyes, and you can see them—so you can see each other seeing each other. So the headset itself doesn’t isolate people. But it will be strange to wear around others, at least at first.
An LED on the headphones that indicates the device mode. There, figured out a solution.
You will own nothing* and be happy.
*except your Vision Pro
*except your Vision Pro
I've had all sorts of opinions about this but ultimately agree with you. The technology is not bad, it's just how we choose to use it. These days I'm very much against the tech reactionaries, I blame Black Mirror. Evil agendas are distinct from the technology that might be used to facilitate them.
The nuke gave us a world ending bomb but it also gave us one of the most renewable and powerful sources of energy that we're capable of building.
Lol I guess that could theoretically work, but it’s very abstract so it would require teaching everyone you ever come in contact with, and some level of trust.
I agree that this presentation was quite unsettling. You could see Apple trying really hard to not make you think that this device will isolate you from your surroundings (people working with other people around, the dad speaking to his children while wearing the headset and so on).
I agree that Vision Pro will be fun to use and probably bring new experiences but do people really need even more screens on their face? I don't think so but this is the future anyway, this will be quite normal in a few years when those 3500$ become 1500$.
When we reach a level of technology where AR just becomes holograms anyone can see, this won't be has unsettling IMO. But yeah, I'm not sure this is the way to go for humanity. As fun as a game/movie/experience can be, having a real deep and intersting conversation with someone in real life brings you way more knowledge and joy than whatever polygon spin in front of your eyes.
I agree that Vision Pro will be fun to use and probably bring new experiences but do people really need even more screens on their face? I don't think so but this is the future anyway, this will be quite normal in a few years when those 3500$ become 1500$.
When we reach a level of technology where AR just becomes holograms anyone can see, this won't be has unsettling IMO. But yeah, I'm not sure this is the way to go for humanity. As fun as a game/movie/experience can be, having a real deep and intersting conversation with someone in real life brings you way more knowledge and joy than whatever polygon spin in front of your eyes.
All you’d need is to have been a single person without dependents living in a poor nation where min wage is $1.00/hr with the foresight to invest in some computer company halfway around the world whose products aren‘t even present in your country. …and $312,800.00 US dollars in pocket change laying around somehow.
Did you watch the keynote? I don't like Facebook but the Lizard King had a point: he recently pointed out that all of Apple's demos of the VP were of people either on a couch by themselves or people working in a room and one person leaves when the other turns the VP on.
Not really enhancing interaction.
Maybe a cool device if you're a single person who likes watching movies alone. My spouse and I aren't paying $7000 so we can watch movies "together" when we can already do that with a $400 TV. So it's not 3D. Boo hoo.
That's a pretty f'ed up world if it uses computers to hide the reality of other peoples suffering from you. This "pleasant" and totally false vision of the reality of what's going on around you is a prime example of how fake the world we live in could become and how further detached from reality we could be. It'd personally make me feel sick inside downloading an app or turning on a setting to "delete" people that are less fortunate than me from the world I see, so I could more easily ignore them and aid me in not caring. That's a definite no from me.
People are already blinded by their false human-centric version of man-made surroundings and constant multi-media feed, which makes them oblivious to the nature that it actually supporting their existence. How many people live in flats and don't have a garden or any real connection with nature? How many people see meat as a manufactured square in a plastic tray, not the reality of the animal that it actually is and the consideration of respect it deserves if not raised or hunted and butchered by the consumer. Waste is put in a bin and all magically disappears with no direct connection to where it goes or what it is polluting.
I'm not seeing the AV Pro as that much of a scary development like the OP, but the vast majority of us are all already scarily removed from true reality and the long-term consequences of our actions to the planet, and if we're not VERY careful it'll be the downfall of us and a lot of life on the planet.
The interaction happens in the environment. It is not a replacement for physical human interaction, but as I said — it may enhance human interaction, in some scenarios. I can easily think of some.
All Meta hardware operates on a user by themselves — so if they are knocking Vision Pro for this, they are also knocking every device they have and will ever make. Using a mobile phone, tablet, laptop, watching television — these are all not social activities. You may be in the same room as your spouse watching a movie together, but you’re not interacting with them — you’re each focused on a flat panel on a wall. Some people also read books on a couch by themselves — is there something inherently wrong about this?
By the way, the “Lizard King” died in 1971, so it is impossible that he could have commented on the Vision Pro.
So the industrial (scientific) revolution was a mistake? You would like go to back to before the 18th century? Not sure that is utopia either, I use to do some geneology research for my parents and it was not uncommon for you to have 6 kids and having 2 make it to their 18th birthday... where today if you managed to afford 6 - very likely all 6 would make it to their 18th birthday. Tech people are going to build the next thing, it is YOUR responsibility to use it responsibly...
Well first, there was a demo of someone using the headset in a social setting—a birthday party.
But the reason most of the demos were people by themselves was because the VP is a personal device, just like a phone or a PC. Actually, you can really just think of the VP as a 3D version of an iPad. So demos of the VP should look just like demos of the iPad, in that most of the applications are used by oneself.
That said, there are some (physically) social applications for iPad. And as more apps get developed for visionOS and more people own headsets, there will surely be (physically) social applications for the VP too (AR games, etc), and ones that are not feasible with iPad since you have to hold an iPad.
And because the VP and iPad are the same in essence, any criticism (other than looking odd for now) for the VP—namely causing isolation—equally applies to the iPad as well. And really, the laptop, phone, pretty much any personal device, even a book too for that matter.
