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Is it still "serving your country", if the cause is unjust?

Iraq isn't the only thing going on right now. We have folks deployed all over the place. If, of course, that is what you are talking about ;)

Very simple. One reason is money for school. Another reason is serving my country in war and in the civilian world. Lots of diffirent reasons why. I can go on and on.

I'll be deployed here sooner or later. You'll more than likely fly into one of the airfields I'm managing once your training is complete. :) Money for education was also one of the reasons I joined up, so to me, its a great reason :p Hopefully the Army is as good to you as the Air Force is to me. Somehow I've ended up with a wife and kid out of it :D
 
Congrats, good luck, and thank you for your service! :)

And be sure to call/write your folks a lot, once you do get deployed. I'm sure they'll worry!
 
Is it still "serving your country", if the cause is unjust?


Maybe it's just me, but is that really the first thing you really want to say to a new recruit? Come on, not wishing for bigger priorities such as his safety, etc., but rather politicizing his actions?

It's certainly alright to have an opinion; I just don't think this is an appropriate outlet to inject it.
 
Maybe it's just me, but is that really the first thing you really want to say to a new recruit? Not wishing for bigger priorities such as his safety, etc., but rather politicizing his actions?

It's certainly alright to have an opinion; I just don't think this is an appropriate outlet.

Amen to that! Let's not be jerks, folks.
 
Well Im finally in the army(I was suposed to join 3 months ago but a surgery on my toe slowed me down). I'm 17 years old and a senior in high school. My MOS is 13 Bravo Cannon Crewmember. Look it up on google or youtube. I'm going to basic training/bootcamp on June 10 of this year in Oklahoma, just a couple of days after graduation. I get to go to airborn school after bt and my initial training. Ill most likely do a one year term in Iraq. I get sworn in this Wendsday. Any questions, go ahead and ask. Ill keep this updated.

Congrats again.

On a slightly more serious note, some suggestions for OSUT (I think they still call it that . . . "One Station Unit Training").

First, make sure you're in reasonable shape. Don't start a huge workout regimen, but if you're not doing pushups and situps and running, now is a good time to start. It'll ease the physical transition, and if you're in good shape it'll put you a step ahead of others and give you greater confidence in yourself.

Second, remember that the first couple weeks of the Basic part are mainly psychological and that it is not personal. That can be hard to remember when you've got a drill sergeant in your face calling you every name in the book, but it's true. If you haven't, read Robert Heinlein's "Starship Troopers," and pay particular attention to what he says about why Basic is hard.

Finally: Have some fun! There will be lots of stuff that seems incredibly pointless--but in Basic, nothing is pointless. And a lot of it is fun--where else do you get paid to get in shape, to learn some history, qualify on a variety of weaponry, and learn so much about yourself?

I don't know anything about field artillery, other than how to call for it, but if you're a 13B I'll guess you'll be on a M109A6. Just wait until you see a live-fire!
 
Maybe it's just me, but is that really the first thing you really want to say to a new recruit? Come on, not wishing for bigger priorities such as his safety, etc., but rather politicizing his actions?

Of course I wish him well and hope that he does not come to harm. But I simply cannot congratulate him for his decision. Congratulations are usually reserved for happy occasions and great accomplishments. I can't see this as one. And I'm merely questioning the idea of "serving my country" by flying to the opposite side of the globe and taking part in a war that is based on a lie and deception. I think there would be better ways of serving the country than that.

Yes, he might end up somewhere else instead. But I think it's safe to assume (and he assumed as much himself) that he will end up in Iraq.

It's certainly alright to have an opinion; I just don't think this is an appropriate outlet to inject it.

Well, I didn't come marching in and start shouting anti-war slogans and/or demonizing the military. I merely questioned the idea of "serving the country" in this particular way. And for that this seemed like an excellent place to do so.

Anyway: keep your head down. If it whistles, it's not going to hit you :). But duck and cover in any case.
 
good luck and thank you for your service.

have fun shooting that m16 and m4. those are pretty good rifles, think of it as an extension of yourself. that type of thinking will help if you are in any kind of close quarter's combat training. just remember they break you down to build you back up!
 
Amen to that! Let's not be jerks, folks.

To be fair it's probably a pretty important part of joining any military organisation. If he's done all the thinking then so be it but at 17 it's a massive decision that shouldn't be taken lightly.

I suppose congratulations for the new job! I could never do it for a million reasons, whatever you want to do with your life.
 
Very simple. One reason is money for school. Another reason is serving my country in war and in the civilian world. Lots of diffirent reasons why. I can go on and on.

How expensive are the "normal schools" in America? We only ever hear about the high prices of the top schools.
How popular is it serve in the military? Here in Finland every man has to serve in the military or do a civil service(which takes longer) or go to jail.
It must be a hard choice to go to military when your country is at war.
 
hooah! :cool:


Of course I wish him well and hope that he does not come to harm.

but you chose to question the war instead.

But I simply cannot congratulate him for his decision. Congratulations are usually reserved for happy occasions and great accomplishments. I can't see this as one.

regardless how you see it, OP's courage can't be denied.

And I'm merely questioning the idea of "serving my country" by flying to the opposite side of the globe and taking part in a war that is based on a lie and deception.

assuming that you are a U.S. citizen, perhaps you should direct your concerns to the folks in D.C.

I think there would be better ways of serving the country than that.

besides protecting U.S. interests, our servicemen and women are fighting side-by-side to make sure that everyone comes home in one piece. now, please enlighten us on your "better" ways for any seventeen-year-old with the OP's circumstances to serve his/her country.

I merely questioned the idea of "serving the country" in this particular way. And for that this seemed like an excellent place to do so.

the OP has already enlisted, what made you think that this thread is "an excellent place to do so?"
 
i can distinguish courage and stupidity clearly, but i do see your point. all things are relative in this world after all.
 
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