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Why do people like you criticize people who put their lives on the line to try to better the world, even if you don't believe in the cause.

In all fairness, that was not a criticism of Cristian.. While I wasn't motivated to say anything I can certainly sympathize with the sentiment that led Evangelion to say what he did. If you have trouble (like most of the Country does) seeing our current folly in Iraq as "bettering the world" then it can be a bit of a challenge to look past that pessimism when you learn that a bright seventeen year old believes it's a cause worth dying for.
 
Why do people like you criticize people who put their lives on the line to try to better the world, even if you don't believe in the cause.

Yeah, what with:

55-60000 civilian casualties in Iraq
Over 3000 US military casualties

the world's getting a better place all the time, right?
 
Why do people like you criticize people who put their lives on the line to try to better the world, even if you don't believe in the cause.

Better the world? Please don't make it sound so stupid. :rolleyes: You're sounding like Bush now.. seriously.

To the OP - congratulations, stay safe - and like in Forrest Gump, just run if you're in trouble :D
 
Don't listen to the silly-vilians, troop. They never have and never will understand. They'll either hate you or try to assuage their guilt; either way, not worth our time. You're doing an honorable thing, and it will be the hardest thing that life will ever ask of you. After this, all else is easy by comparison.

Good on 'ya, and the first round's on me.

20 years, 4 months, 17 days, dues are paid, thank you very much.
 
thanks for all the comments. to those that said start working out, trust me I have. I been going to this mini bootcamp almost every day, it's pretty hardcore. to the airborne thing. what I meant was that im going to volunteer to airborne school after bt and initial training. and please lets keep all the politics out of the topic, i dont want people going back and forth flaming its pointless. this topic is just to let you guys know and also encourage anyone thinking of joining the military to really look into it.
 
thanks for all the comments. to those that said start working out, trust me I have. I been going to this mini bootcamp almost every day, it's pretty hardcore. to the airborne thing. what I meant was that im going to volunteer to airborne school after bt and initial training. and please lets keep all the politics out of the topic, i dont want people going back and forth flaming its pointless. this topic is just to let you guys know and also encourage anyone thinking of joining the military to really look into it.

Very well said.

Good luck with volunteering for Airborne school--very difficult to get in unless it's in your contract (says the former infantry platoon leader who was ordered to go).

And since JohnNotBeatle beat me to it, your SECOND round is on me! (Once you're of legal age, that is!)
 
thanks for all the comments. to those that said start working out, trust me I have. I been going to this mini bootcamp almost every day, it's pretty hardcore. to the airborne thing. what I meant was that im going to volunteer to airborne school after bt and initial training. and please lets keep all the politics out of the topic, i dont want people going back and forth flaming its pointless. this topic is just to let you guys know and also encourage anyone thinking of joining the military to really look into it.

Have a look at this website: link

It might be a little dated, but probably still around the same. They gave us(Airman) the chance to become PJs back in BMT. I'm in great shape, but that just takes a little something else as well. There are a lot of wash outs in the pipeline. It's tough as nails to become one. Good look if you try! I'll stick to my chair :p
 
Congratulation and good luck.

Ignore the naysayers of your decision.

Pay attention in Basic like you've never paid attention before.

If I wasn't as old as I am, I would go back in yesterday.

Was at Parris Island, SC last November visiting and realized how much I miss it. Watching those DI's running those recruits into the ground brought back many memories.

I served in the US Army but trained US Marines as an instructor at the USAADS, Fort Bliss, Texas !!!!

Oh well, I am lucky to be retired from it.
 
Is it still "serving your country", if the cause is unjust?
Please let's not go there.

What the OP is doing is very honorable. He is volunteering to serve his country with the full knowledge that he will end up in a combat zone and all that entails.

Iraq isn't the only thing going on right now. We have folks deployed all over the place.
Isn't that the truth.

You'll more than likely fly into one of the airfields I'm managing once your training is complete. :)
Cool.

Maybe it's just me, but is that really the first thing you really want to say to a new recruit? Come on, not wishing for bigger priorities such as his safety, etc., but rather politicizing his actions?
Good point.

Cannon Cockers! ;)

Artillery is a lot like presents. Tis better to give then to receive.
Receiving end is no fun.

:D

Don't listen to the silly-vilians, troop. They never have and never will understand. They'll either hate you or try to assuage their guilt; either way, not worth our time. You're doing an honorable thing, and it will be the hardest thing that life will ever ask of you. After this, all else is easy by comparison.
Well put!

20 years, 4 months, 17 days, dues are paid, thank you very much.
And thank your for your service.

Good luck with volunteering for Airborne school--very difficult to get in unless it's in your contract (says the former infantry platoon leader who was ordered to go)
That's a big 10-4 good buddy. A201 out.

Pay attention in Basic like you've never paid attention before.
Good advice. :)
 
Thanks for doing this and may God be with you! Hopefully this god forsaken war will be over before you finish basic training so you don't have to go to war.

*Hug*
*salute*

The force will be with you, always:D
 
A Marine @ Camp Lejeune

Hey if you’re ever stationed at brag make sure you hang out with some of the Psyops guys. I went to this training exercise called Robin Sage, it's the green berets final exercise and they were a funny group. Good luck with your choice and the military really isn't that bad. Semper Fi.
 
Hey if you’re ever stationed at brag make sure you hang out with some of the Psyops guys. I went to this training exercise called Robin Sage, it's the green berets final exercise and they were a funny group. Good luck with your choice and the military really isn't that bad. Semper Fi.

My little brother is a Green Beret. He entered the Army as an 18X - signed up directly into SF training. Out of 300 something guys that entered the program, he was 1 of 12 to graduate in August after 28 months of training. He made it into 5th Group, made it onto an A-Team(529DA), and is now in Baghdad with his team. He made one foray into the Middle East with his team before Iraq, but he won't(can't) say where. He's already an E6. Not too shabby for a 22 year old tree hugging liberal!

So you got to go through Sage? That's really cool. Be glad it wasn't SERE school! Are you going for Force Recon?

To the OP, congrats on your decision. Stay safe.
 
Of course I wish him well and hope that he does not come to harm. But I simply cannot congratulate him for his decision. Congratulations are usually reserved for happy occasions and great accomplishments. I can't see this as one. And I'm merely questioning the idea of "serving my country" by flying to the opposite side of the globe and taking part in a war that is based on a lie and deception. I think there would be better ways of serving the country than that.

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I don't want to start this crap again. I'm only going to say this once:

Tell what you just said to the Kurds in Northern Iraq. They were slaughtered with mustard gas. Mustard gas is a weapon of mass destruction.

And good luck in the Army!
 
Wow. I don't know why the original post shocked me, but it did.

I just couldn't imagine joining the military full stop I suppose... but particularly not in this bizarre time of violence. I mean, sure, there's always violence, but it's not always this bizarre.

Still, all the best, it's obviously what you want to do.
 
Well, people need to expect to have to pick up a rifle when they join. Maybe the sentiments are different over here than other parts of the world, you know?
 
Wow. I don't know why the original post shocked me, but it did.

I just couldn't imagine joining the military full stop I suppose... but particularly not in this bizarre time of violence. I mean, sure, there's always violence, but it's not always this bizarre.

Still, all the best, it's obviously what you want to do.


I know, but maybe it's because he wants to serve his country honorably and courageously.
 
Well, people need to expect to have to pick up a rifle when they join. Maybe the sentiments are different over here than other parts of the world, you know?

It's not the rifles themselves so much as the fact that we've turned them against a country which didn't attack us. I doubt you'll find any person who could find fault with those who choose to defend our country and freedom. By that same token, you have to admit that there are credible reasons to find our current aggression in the Middle East to be another thing altogether. It's an inescapable fact that a person joining the military right now will be put in service in the name of that aggression and that reality colors their decision to join.

You certainly don't have to go overseas to be confronted with this viewpoint, either. Almost 70% of your countrymen disapprove of the invasion of Iraq.
 
Is it still "serving your country", if the cause is unjust?

instead of questioning him, at least give him credit for knowing what he wants to do and getting it done. that can't be said for alot of teens these days (sorry....not to offend anyone by generalizing, but it's true).

good luck and be safe to the OP.
 
Good luck and stay safe. I've got family in the military who are deployed right now, and I work for a defense contractor. Maybe you'll get to fire one of our Javelins. :D
 
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