iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On 'Hey Siri'

[deadoctopi]

Apples Siri-centered home anno 2018.

Hey Siri!

"Yeah?" said the iPhone
"Wazzup?" said the Apple Watch
"What?" said the HomePod
"Can I help you?" said the iPad
"What do you need me to do?" said the iMac
"Yo!" said the Apple TV

All at once, of course

That’s if any of the devices can actually hear you, but maybe that’s why the ! was there, because you have to shout it.

 

[Apple Knowledge Navigator]

iMac Pro $5000.00

No Touchscreen
Almost same outside 10 years old design. (look at Surface studio)
Can you upgrade any of the components (internal HD, etc)?
Maybe they ship the keyboard with a strip in order to justify the expensive price.

$5000.00 really?

No thanks

Do you really want Apple to cripple MacOS just so you can drag and tap things with your finger?

Who cares if it’s the same exterior design?

If you need to upgrade components, this isn’t the product for you. But as for a 5K screen with P3 colour gamut.. why would you want to upgrade that anyway?

Seriously...

 

[Rob_2811]

Sure, but with an A10 on board why not run it native? Save those intel cores for something else, and get a more accurate picture of performance on an ARM chip.

What benefit would that give over what is already there?

The app would still have t run in a simulator to simulate the screen size of the device it is being developed for and you aren't getting the feel of how the app will run on device as it is still being run on a Mac regardless of the silicon powering it. You can only get that from actually running the app on device.

 

[DavidLeblond]

Apples Siri-centered home anno 2018.

Hey Siri!

"Yeah?" said the iPhone
"Wazzup?" said the Apple Watch
"What?" said the HomePod
"Can I help you?" said the iPad
"What do you need me to do?" said the iMac
"Yo!" said the Apple TV

All at once, of course

I already get that with my watch. I'll tell it to set a timer and I hear the phone in my pocket bing.

 

[djnigelchung]

I wish you could completely uninstall Siri from osx and iOS. And I don't mean just disable it. It's the most useless voice assistant in my opinion and it irks me that it takes up space.

Yes and yes
Only reason I use it on my phone is to start a timer or set an alarm. Searching for anything doesn't work half the time and it's faster for me to unlock, open a browser and search myself.

I NEVER use it on my mac.

 

[cmaier]

Sure, but with an A10 on board why not run it native? Save those intel cores for something else, and get a more accurate picture of performance on an ARM chip.

Won’t happen. The a10 won’t run anything other than bridgeos because to do otherwise would undermine the security model.

 

[phren0logy]

What benefit would that give over what is already there?

The app would still have t run in a simulator to simulate the screen size of the device it is being developed for and you aren't getting the feel of how the app will run on device as it is still being run on a Mac regardless of the silicon powering it. You can only get that from actually running the app on device.

You could simulate at full speed and leave all the intel cores available to compile while you test?

 

[cmaier]

You could simulate at full speed and leave all the intel cores available to compile while you test?

You compile while you test? Then how do you debug, since the source won’t match what is running (since the point of compiling is the source changed).

 

[phren0logy]

You compile while you test? Then how do you debug, since the source won’t match what is running (since the point of compiling is the source changed).

Sure, if you are working on different parts of an app.

 

[cmaier]

Sure, if you are working on different parts of an app.

In my experience the symbols get screwed up and you can’t properly trace if you do that.

 

[phren0logy]

Sure, if you are working on different parts of an app.

Yeah, probably not a great idea. But it does seem like a waste to leave a native, hardware A10 sitting idle only to emulate it.

 

[ShinySteelRobot]

Maybe in the future there will be secondary arm processors to authenticate a real mac killing the hackintosh market.

Was thinking the same. The arrival of the iMac Pro heralds the beginning of the end of the Hackintosh.

 

[Abazigal]

I find it so weird that no-one seems to know that when you own several Apple products equipped with Siri, on the same icloud account, only one of them will answer when you say Hey Siri. I do it all the time with my phone, watch and sometimes ipad all in the living room. It's usually the phone that answers, if it's nearby, even if I'm deliberately raising the watch to ask Siri something. Don't know why or how, but it's been like this for a while now...

They know. They just aren’t going to let a little inconvenient fact get in the way of them bashing Apple.

 

[Abazigal]

I will never understand why a Mac needs siri.

I'm still working on figuring out why our phones need siri.

Siri makes sense on a phone where input methods are slower and more limited. For example, I use Siri to dictate a new message or create a calendar event and it’s faster than manually launching an app and fiddling with knobs and dials.

I guess it’s less useful on a computer where the UI is such that you can usually brute-force your way around any problem, no matter how cumbersome it may be. This makes Siri less beneficial, because faster alternatives do exist.

 

[cmaier]

Siri makes sense on a phone where input methods are slower and more limited. For example, I use Siri to dictate a new message or create a calendar event and it’s faster than manually launching an app and fiddling with knobs and dials.

I guess it’s less useful on a computer where the UI is such that you can usually brute-force your way around any problem, no matter how cumbersome it may be. This makes Siri less beneficial, because faster alternatives do exist.

Is very useful for people with certain disabilities, among other things.

 

[DeepIn2U]

Um, no. Windows Mobile was the branding from 2003 to 2010.

You're thinking of Windows Phone 7 / Windows Phone 8 / Windows 10 Mobile. That's a completely different OS.



That's great. It was also utter junk.

UIQ, Series 60, Blackberry, Palm OS, Cobalt, Windows Mobile, Pocket PC, …: none of those ever made it to the mass market, because they suuuuuuuuucked to use.



Wonderful.

And you could run Snake on your Nokia.



You forgot that IBM shipped a smartphone in the early 90s. Or that Alan Kay demonstrated a tablet in 1972.

You also forgot to mock that the iPhone lacked 3G, that it didn't have copy & paste until 3.0, or that it didn't even have a hardware keyboard.

And all of that misses the point, which is that all smartphones that came before the iPhone weren't accepted by the market. Because they sucked.

You maybe earthy on the Microsoft proper nomenclature with three original WinCE based smartphones.

Symbian has THE LARGEST market share of any smartphone by units sold or shipped - not BlackBerry as hey falsely claimed: Symbian S60 is the reason why Nokia was king on the global scale. Just cause they had 4 units release in the USA (NGage, NGage QD - TMobile, N70 I think was a clamshell for AT&T and the N80 which was TMobile) does not mean they didn’t appeal to mass market.

You also could do a LOT more than snake with your Nokia s60: 1st globally shipping WebKit Browser (yes Nokia and Apple collaborated on the N80, LonelyCatGames great email client for POP3/IMAP4, Python apps supported natively, C++ coded apps wrapped in S60 container worked very well, CellTrak network tower testing, best and largest global mobile gaming suite outside of GameBoy with NGage (thank goodness those where easily hacked. Do a bit of digging around you’ll find why Nokia was the usual suspects in the lineup.

Apple did a colour using the N61 in iPhone comparison on stage when it was long upgraded with N62, and E71.

I don’t think IBM sold their smartphone in the early 80’s. They may have “shipped” as a testing mule but I don’t honk any revenues where directly attributed to their smartphone switching hands though.

Regardless of our love for iPhone there WAS a market for Smartphones that long existed before iPhone many still did tasks better than the iPhone via 3rd party apps on each platform. The proof is it took Apple 3yrs to beat the N.American entrenched smartphone standard BlackBerry.

There are a number of factors that affected various platforms success in North America:
Carrier branding far too heavy,
Not enough models represented each manufacturer based on carrier agreements (getting the branding approval seal),
Most of the USA/Canadian market did NOT offer decent data plans or add-ons with decent data allotments,
These marked where still heavily into:
Status quo of BlaxkBerry although waning (u are important because you have this), many where VERY happy with their clamshell/flip phones and sliders (Motorola V60/66, RAZR, Samsung sliders),
Screen sizes still where far too small to deal with for most.
After market stores for SIM unlocked international phones where VERY rare!
Ebay and Amazon if they existed really didn’t provided an alternative.

Most importantly they where TOO complex for the average consumer!

 

[citysnaps]

I have read and replied accordingly:



my reply was specific to your recollection at the 2007 intro of the iphone and the threads shown here. most of the outrage was not simply against the touch-screen vs keyboard but as many of the Apple fans here believed it was the only touchscreen phone then. Look at others that quoted my reply you'll see they're aware as well not ever stating my reply to YOU was snarky. You need to chill and READ as you stated to replies and think beyond recollection how the reply is apt to your posting.

Perception isn't just yours to claim and wield.

Wrong before. And wrong again, as I never said most of the rage, as you conveniently misquote in an attempt to make your case. As to why you feel another would feel obligated to comment on your snarky reply to my post, well, that is a bizarre assumption.

 

[RuffDraft]

I just hope that all these people who've been complaining for the last few years all rush out to buy this machine...

Put your money where your mouth is folks!

I'll be one of them, and I'll be upgrading it too. There are definitely - without question - many people after this iMac Pro. For video editors and videographers, the iMac Pro is a good enough answer to the lack of Mac Pro upgrade. Many of us can't wait for the new Mac Pro, so we're making this stop gap purchase. I don't see why so many people are calling this AIO. The people stating AIO only last for 7 years, and that's bad for the environment. No, what's bad for the environment is buying a laptop every year because you buy cheap. The iMac Pro is a beast - the fastest Mac of all time - and it's running on an operating system that is generally faster than other OS's with lesser parts. That's what you're paying for.

The only question for video editors is whether the XEON chips can handle H264/H265 codecs as well as the MacBook Pros can. If the answer is no, then it won't be the answer for the majority of pro users in this camp. However, I seriously doubt this has been over-looked by Apple. The most recent showcasing of the iMac Pro had pro users in their droves drooling over the 8K footage running natively through FCPX. Drooling. Yet you find every user on MacRumors, who has no interest in buying this machine, complaining about what Pro users require... *rolls eyes*.

For my sector, there isn't a need to heavily upgrade every couple of years. The iMac Pro should tie me over for the next 5 years, and that's even if I ever move to 8K cameras. It's honestly enough of a beast for my needs, and this is my only job. I work at home and produce wedding films for a living. This is THE Mac that I've been waiting for, and I've been running proxy footage like crazy for the past three years on a 2011 MacBook Pro (17inch). I know for certain that this is a good purchase unless the iMac Pro that I purchase dies after three years... then it's not so great. I've already fried the GPU inside this MacBook Pro, but Apple replaced it for free. That's what Pro users are interested in - great customer service.

 

[prasand]

Siri: You look tired Prasand. Would you like me to turn the Bedroom lights to a daylight hue? Or perhaps, brew you a cup of coffee as you are in Xcode land?

Me: No, strip for me. Thanks.

Siri: What makes you think... never mind.


(her actual answer to "hey siri, take off your clothes.")


The present:

Me: Hey Siri
...
Me: HEY SIRI
Me: oh, *presses Siri icon on the touchbar*
Siri: *makes a tone sound*
Me: Turn off my desk lamp.
Siri: Sorry, I can't help you with homekit here.
Me: *presses Siri icon* Take off your clothes.
Siri: You have the wrong sort of Assistant, Prasand.
Me: ehh, *yells at my phone on the other side of the room away from my desk* HEY SIRI, TURN OFF MY DESK LAMP

[based on a true story]

 

[Wxchaser]

Now that is what I call an interpersonal relationship with your iOS and Siri, however odd and perverted it may be!

Siri: You look tired Prasand. Would you like me to turn the Bedroom lights to a daylight hue? Or perhaps, brew you a cup of coffee as you are in Xcode land?

Me: No, strip for me. Thanks.

Siri: What makes you think... never mind.


(her actual answer to "hey siri, take off your clothes.")


The present:

Me: Hey Siri
...
Me: HEY SIRI
Me: oh, *presses Siri icon on the touchbar*
Siri: *makes a tone sound*
Me: Turn off my desk lamp.
Siri: Sorry, I can't help you with homekit here.
Me: *presses Siri icon* Take off your clothes.
Siri: You have the wrong sort of Assistant, Prasand.
Me: ehh, *yells at my phone on the other side of the room away from my desk* HEY SIRI, TURN OFF MY DESK LAMP

[based on a true story]

 

[prasand]

Now that is what I call an interpersonal relationship with your iOS and Siri, however odd and perverted it may be!

lol. Though I actually did it, I did it purely because I knew Siri would give a sarcastic reply, and purely for the thread. To reflect the current limitations (that Siri's mostly a thing of humor), and a future what an A-series coprocessor Macs + FaceID might bring. Currently, I barely use Siri, except to turn on / off my Homekit devices and set timers while cooking (picked the latter up from The Rock).

 

[PowerMacBook]

Amusingly, it works in Chrome.

just checked in Firefox as well, not in Safari (High Sierra beta version 10.13.2 Beta (17C79a))

 

[DeepIn2U]

Deleted post for more appropriate reply right after.

 

[DeepIn2U]

Wrong before. And wrong again, as I never said most of the rage, as you conveniently misquote in an attempt to make your case. As to why you feel another would feel obligated to comment on your snarky reply to my post, well, that is a bizarre assumption.

Dude I never misquoted go back and verify with your own posts. I don’t need to modify quotes and lie in anyway shape or form to suit any rebuttal or need you may fashionably imagine. I only boldes words for focus of why I originally quoted you.

Take the time to breathe for a few moments clear your mind of frustration then read what I typed.

I used the word outrage not rage. Never used it to change what’s YOU typed. I stated most of the outrage here (meaning the threads on iPhone OG announcement). Jesus I just can’t - you’re going off without justification or reason.

You’re putting words in my mouth and running from your own words directly quoted without any change other than bolding word-for-word what you’ve typed and now changing not only the words I’ve typed (rage vs outrage)
Yet also the meaning.

You’re not worth going over this any longer - this conversation is over.

 

[Horselover Fat]

To be fair, not reasonable to expect Apple to base any of its product decisions on whether or not it affects hackintoshes. They make zero money from them.

You're right, they're not making any money from hackintoshes and by considering a hack I'm trying to maximize my benefits/profits from them in a shady way. This is actually like trying to avoid taxes. Sometimes it's hard to stay fair.