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My guess is that it was the former—that every year they couldn't decide whether to keep it or not, so they just kept kicking the decision down the road without updating it.

The 2014 Mini used 2-core U-series chips. Here's the GB single-core and multi-core scores for the upper-end model, which used a Core i7:
Mac mini (Late 2014)
Intel Core i7-4578U @ 3.0 GHz (2 cores)
767

Mac mini (Late 2014)
Intel Core i7-4578U @ 3.0 GHz (2 cores)
1628

If they had updated it in, say, mid-2017, with the then-available 2-core i7 U-series chips, here's about the performance we woud have seen (see data at bottom). So a bit under 20% improvement in single core, and a bit under 30% in multi-core. Nothing earth-shattering, but certainly an improvement. And it's not just about the CPU speeds. Without turning this into a research project, I imagine the 2017 chip would also have offered better graphics performance, monitor support, and I/O. Plus if they'd updated it in 2017, it would have had sigificantly faster storage, and perhaps also faster RAM.

Finally, being a later model, it would have had more years ahead of it before obsolesence as a result of not being able to run the current supported OS.

So there really is no technical justification for not updating it by mid-2017 at the latest (and probably earlier, like all the other Macs), rather than waiting until late 2018. I think that's why Schiller gave such a strained response when he was asked about it at that time (see my quote of Schiller in a post one page back).

MacBook Pro (13-inch Mid 2017)
Intel Core i7-7567U @ 3.5 GHz (2 cores)
902
MacBook Pro (13-inch Mid 2017)
Intel Core i7-7567U @ 3.5 GHz (2 cores)
2079
Regarding the mini it’s true they shifted the product, moving it upmarket, so again, you’re likely right and they were figuring out what to do with it.
 
If 27" is the biggest size iMac they offer with these new chips, that's a big mistake and a real no-go these days. 32" is far to common. Doesn't even need to be 5k or 6k. 32" @ 4k would be good enough.
Instead of 21.5" and 27" it should be 24" and 32" or 24", 27", 32".
 
So now it won't be called an iMac Pro? I'm not too surprised, probably because like I said, the "regular" 27" Retina iMac was always very popular with pro users for the reasons I mentioned
 
I think the benchmark results speek for themselves.

With intel we mainly differentiated the chips based on TDP. With more power per watt from the ARM chips we may need to adjust our view of what is laptop or desktop.
I believe the future will be the notebook vs desktop differentiation will not exist as we know it. Zero SoC differentiation.

The difference will be how you use that SoC. Ports / RAM / SSD size / screen size etc will be the differentiating factors.

This also does mean we are moving to a future where dedicated cpu and dedicated gpu will no longer be a thing. All in one integrated SoCs will be all there is. That future is not here yet, however Apple is showing now, that his this future is a possibility.
 
iMac was already redesigned and without a NOTCH! What sort of logic makes you believe it would have a notch? Not that I care if it did, but larger display with thicker bezels means more space to place the front camera.
Lol it was a joke but I don’t put anything past Apple !
 
"Similar design to iMac 24 and Pro Display XDR". How is that possible?, they are both very different; the iMac 24 has a "chin" the Pro Display XDR doesn't.
 
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ever heard of dual screens?

uh, no. What is that?

Silly snide remark aside. I've worked on multiple screens, 24", 27" and also a single 34". I like a single 32" the best, it's the best tradeoff of deskspace, and real estate.....large vertical amount of space, and wide enough to easily accomodate viewing stuff side by side without having to look far left or far right.
 
IN BLACK PLEASE. WITH BLACK BEZELS.

Give me one in black and you can put a notch on every side and have the wallpaper locked to an HD close up of Bono.
Careful what you wish for

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That would result in 137.68 ppi. The current 27" iMac has 218 ppi. So your desired size/resolution would look like a pile of crap compared to that. Nobody want's that at least no Pros and definitely not Apple.
Lol, plenty of Pro's use a 32" 4k display.
Yes, 5k or 6k would be better, but at a minimum it should be 4k. My bigger point was that the iMac should bump to 32", that's the where the market for displays is moving as a new standard.
 
Lol, plenty of Pro's use a 32" 4k display.
Yes, 5k or 6k would be better, but at a minimum it should be 4k. My bigger point was that the iMac should bump to 32", that's the where the market for displays is moving as a new standard.
4K@2x is bad enough on my 24” Dell P2415Q, much less on a 32” display and I have no desire to display 4K@1x on a 32” display, most here don’t have that desire either. There is no “new” standard size display. I have a 24” and 27” 4K displays and 32” is just another panel size which is hilarious because the 4K gods can’t figure out the best size for 4K, hence all these display sizes. Apple is going to build displays with a resolution that makes @2x look good, not simply to fill out a spec sheet for PC builders, who will buy whatever the market craps out. When it comes to resolution versus monitor size there is very little consensus or “standard”. The top resolution of the 30” XDR is extremely high and 30” is the largest you’ll see in an iMac.
 
Lol, plenty of Pro's use a 32" 4k display.
Yes, 5k or 6k would be better, but at a minimum it should be 4k. My bigger point was that the iMac should bump to 32", that's the where the market for displays is moving as a new standard.
Apple wouldn't do a 4k 32", because all their displays have a "Retina" pixel density which, for external monitors, means ~220 ppi. That's the minimum needed for text to be sharp with their new OS's (now that they've abandoned subpixel text rendering) To achieve that with a 32" requires 6k, which is why the XDR is 6k (this gives it 218 ppi).

To the extent pro's use 32" x 4k, that would typically be for photography/video work. A pro (or anyone else) could use a 32" 4k for text work (coding, document prep, spreadsheets), but (if they're using MacOS), its sharpness would be suboptimal. I personally would hate to have to work on text on a 32" x 4k--the lack of sharpness would drive me crazy.
 
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If they can contain an XDR display within the MBP lid, I think it should be possible to contain the guts behind the display of an iMac. It would have to be thicker, of course.

FaceID on a Mac would be great. This technology is one of the coolest features on the iPhones/iPad Pros.
 
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27” is a ‘massive’ mistake Apple. I can’t imagine anyone wanting 27” over 32” as anyone with size constraints will surely get the 24”.

Maybe the return of 3 iMac sizes? ..Maybe?
Well, I guess I would get used to 32" but I was looking forward to 27". I've been using 21" iMacs since 2009, so frankly over 27" kind of scares me...
 
My concern is the price, the previous iMac Pro started at $5000. I hope they don't take a similar path with this machine and force us to spend that much just to get an iMac with a 27" screen.
Apple will most likey offer a standard "27 inch iMac" and a higher-end "iMac Pro," just like their Intel iMacs. Most of the iMac's target market just needs an AIO desktop with a reasonably sized screen, not a Mac Pro class workstation.
 
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Woah I never said looking at 4K at 130ppi on a 34" screen I said I'd rather look at 4K on a 34" screen, but not that that terrible pixel density. Current pricing doesn't match quality so I never purchased a 4K screen at all. I don't need 4K currently maybe in a year possibly but not needed for me right now and surely not that that terrible pixel density - my eyes suffer enough lol.
Note that 4k on a 34" screen means 130 ppi. I.e., when you say 4k on a 34", you are effectively also saying 130 ppi. Here's why:

It's the number of pixels divided by the screen dimension that gives you the ppi. So if you have a typical 4k computer monitor, that's 3840 pixels horizontally x 2160 vertically (that's where the "4k" comes from: 3840 ≈ 4000) (there's also a 4k standard the film industry uses, which is 4096 pixels horizontally).

A 34" screen with that aspect ratio would be 29.63" horizontally, and 3840 pixels/(29.36 inches) = 130.8 pixels per inch, or "ppi".

To get 220 ppi on a 34" screen, you'd need over 6k (depending on the aspect ratio).
 
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For the last time: I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN SCREEN SIZE AND FEATURE SET!
Why should I have to fork over a bunch of money for Pro features when all I want is a larger screen for doom scrolling???
Amen! Apple should stop making expensive all-in-ones and go back to separate displays and computers, except now much smaller and lighter and with battery power. Then we don’t have to compromise or waste money, we can get whatever size screens we want (and they would work with any source) and however powerful a computer we want.

One USB-C cable between them would be so neat and clean. Nothing else plugged in to the back of the display, no ugly vga cables with screws and thick power cables gathering dust bunnies.
 
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Amen! Apple should stop making expensive all-in-ones and go back to separate displays and computers, except now much smaller and lighter and with battery power. Then we don’t have to compromise or waste money, we can get whatever size screens we want (and they would work with any source) and however powerful a computer we want.

One USB-C cable between them would be so neat and clean. Nothing else plugged in to the back of the display, no ugly vga cables with screws and thick power cables gathering dust bunnies.
Stop making the iMac? You must be joking. The iMac is the most iconic computer that Apple ever produced. The All-in-One nature of the computer is what makes it so great. If you don't like that, then there is always the PC world.
 
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If they can contain an XDR display within the MBP lid, I think it should be possible to contain the guts behind the display of an iMac. It would have to be thicker, of course.

FaceID on a Mac would be great. This technology is one of the coolest features on the iPhones/iPad Pros.
The chin is going nowhere. People need to accept this reality.
 
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For the last time: I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN SCREEN SIZE AND FEATURE SET!
Why should I have to fork over a bunch of money for Pro features when all I want is a larger screen for doom scrolling???
Buy a Mac mini and a 5K external display. This is what Apple does, have you not been paying attention for the last 12 years?
 
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